[Archived] The General Election 2015

[K-Hod]

Head teacher of local primary school on over 70k pa. In the style of Rafa, FACT!!

My Dad was a Head Teacher until a couple of years ago (in Darren incidentally), and whilst I don't know what his salary was, he'd been a Head for about 1/3 of his teaching career. If you get started as a head early days and do well, you can earn good money, there's no doubt.

[Gav]

Head teacher of local primary school on over 70k pa. In the style of Rafa, FACT!!

Head Teachers obviously earn more than teachers, the average teacher isn't paid wonderfully well at all compared to many, around 30k tops if memory serves me right and thats after a number of years service.

Exceptions to the rule obviously exist.

My mate worked for a small piping company less than 10 miles from Blackburn. They employed around 30 people in the warehouse and office. The MD was on a basic salary of 175k a year, his PA was on 70k a year! and lads in the warehouse earned between 15-25k a year.

Just to put things into perspective, its an extreme case but I'm stunned everytime I think about that place, a 70k PA

[blueboy3333]

Obviously a landlubber blueboy but tell me why are you against a thriving, vibrant and successful British fishing industry?

where the hell did you get that conclusion from? I just posted something that might of been of interest. i didn't mention the fishing industry.

[blueboy3333]

Again, not 100% true. All those companies are paying their way paying the many, many taxes that a company has to pay. You will find they are all providing MANY jobs and paying National Insurance contributions along with them. They are only paying what they legally have to for Corporation Tax which is the biggest loophole they are currently getting away with.

I agree that the loopholes are ridiculous but to suggest these companies are not paying anything back and not contributing is equally ridiculous.

I'd still be worried about Mr Putin to be fair.

As do all the other companies whatever the size. However they also have to pay Corporation tax because they can't shift their businesses offshore for tax purposes. Also those jobs would be created elsewhere, filling the vacuum. Business hates a vacuum, People won't stop buying books etc because Amazon stop trading, they'll just but them elsewhere ..from company that pays all the things you mention PLUS it's fair share of Corp Tax.

[yoda]

I think barring a minor miracle the SNP will win easily in Scotland tbh. Since Salmond has jogged on from the spotlight, their new leader seems to have a bit more about her.

(I.e. she's not stirring up bother by trying to re-create Braveheart).

If that does happen, like I said, Labour are toast.

[Biddy]

As do all the other companies whatever the size. However they also have to pay Corporation tax because they can't shift their businesses offshore for tax purposes. Also those jobs would be created elsewhere, filling the vacuum. Business hates a vacuum, People won't stop buying books etc because Amazon stop trading, they'll just but them elsewhere ..from company that pays all the things you mention PLUS it's fair share of Corp Tax.

Aye, but I bet you use Amazon. I know I'd prefer to buy a book from Amazon for £4.99 rather than Waterstones/WH Smiths for £9.99.

[jim mk2]

No one should use Amazon or Starbucks or any of the other tax-avoiding / evading companies that employ basic wage zero contract workers.

[yoda]

No one should use Amazon or Starbucks or any of the other tax-avoiding / evading companies that employ basic wage zero contract workers.

How does the nursing home pay people ?

[Al]

You can type "Avoiding/Evading" as many times as you like Jim but we all know that what these companies do is legal avoidance.

I worked hard for my money all my life and I can assure you that I will do whatever I legally can to stop people taking it off me whether that be the Inland Revenue or anybody else. I see no great virtue in paying taxes if I can avoid them without breaking the law and will do so as much as I possibly can.

[blueboy3333]

Aye, but I bet you use Amazon. I know I'd prefer to buy a book from Amazon for £4.99 rather than Waterstones/WH Smiths for £9.99.

I've never once used Amazon, i try to shop ethically. Buy most of my books from Charity shops unless it's something new i really want and then it's Waterstones. I don't use supermarkets either and try to buy all my food from the local market. Probably makes me sound like a sandal-wearing lentil-eating eco-warrior but i'd rather give my money to local businesses rather than tax-dodging behemoths.

Act local, Think global

[thenodrog]

I think barring a minor miracle the SNP will win easily in Scotland tbh. Since Salmond has jogged on from the spotlight, their new leader seems to have a bit more about her.

(I.e. she's not stirring up bother by trying to re-create Braveheart).

She does have a perky arse and a much better figure than 'Fatal' Salmond thats for sure.

[thenodrog]

St Wilfred's teacher, relative of mine, 2yrs out of Uni, 24k. Academy teachers are on slightly more, mates wife works at Darwen academy, been a teacher for over 10yrs, 29k.

So if you can tell me where teachers earn 42k I'll let them both know. The head of Darwen Vale earns around 50k, I saw the advert in the paper!

Sorry for taking this off topic but this needs addressing.

Head teacher of local primary school on over 70k pa. In the style of Rafa, FACT!!

Now I've just discovered that my mate's sister in law has just retired as a headmistress after 40 years service. She was on 90k pa and her final salary pension is worth 60k pa. So I think that puts the 'poorly paid teachers' camp in their place.

However and I confess that I'm not entirely sure about this (so I'll welcome anyone with specialist knowledge to correct me) but he reckons that to have a pension amount to 60k pa in the private sector one must have approx £3m invested...... which he then said is not allowed. If thats the case then it's a shameful example of one rule for the public sector and another for the private sector isn't it?

My mate worked for a small piping company less than 10 miles from Blackburn. They employed around 30 people in the warehouse and office. The MD was on a basic salary of 175k a year, his PA was on 70k a year! and lads in the warehouse earned between 15-25k a year.

Just to put things into perspective, its an extreme case but I'm stunned everytime I think about that place, a 70k PA

Blond hair, short skirt and big tits eh?

As do all the other companies whatever the size. However they also have to pay Corporation tax because they can't shift their businesses offshore for tax purposes. Also those jobs would be created elsewhere, filling the vacuum. Business hates a vacuum, People won't stop buying books etc because Amazon stop trading, they'll just but them elsewhere ..from company that pays all the things you mention PLUS it's fair share of Corp Tax.

Personally I do rail at the unfair foreign competition created by this situation rather than the actual issue of tax avoidance .

[jim mk2]

Now I've just discovered that my mate's sister in law has just retired as a headmistress after 40 years service. She was on 90k pa and her final salary pension is worth 60k pa. So I think that puts the 'poorly paid teachers' camp in their place.

However and I confess that I'm not entirely sure about this (so I'll welcome anyone with specialist knowledge to correct me) but he reckons that to have a pension amount to 60k pa in the private sector one must have approx £3m invested...... which he then said is not allowed. If thats the case then it's a shameful example of one rule for the public sector and another for the private sector isn't it?

Forty years in the job, top of the tree in her chosen field. I'd say in the private sector she'd be on £500,000 plus with some clever accountants in tow advising how to avoid paying 45 per cent income tax.

Any teacher who clocks up 40 years serving the nation's kids deserve every penny pension they get. so yes well done to her and I hope she enjoys a happy retirement.

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[yoda]

Forty years in the job, top of the tree in her chosen field. I'd say in the private sector she'd be on £500,000 plus with some clever accountants in tow advising how to avoid paying 45 per cent income tax.

Any teacher who clocks up 40 years serving the nation's kids deserve every penny pension they get. so yes well done to her and I hope she enjoys a happy retirement.

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That's some big chip on your shoulder

[Biddy]

I've never once used Amazon, i try to shop ethically. Buy most of my books from Charity shops unless it's something new i really want and then it's Waterstones. I don't use supermarkets either and try to buy all my food from the local market. Probably makes me sound like a sandal-wearing lentil-eating eco-warrior but i'd rather give my money to local businesses rather than tax-dodging behemoths.

Act local, Think global

So, by buying books from charity shops you are denying the original author their pay and the publisher gets nothing too. And of course you are 100% certain the cash in hand market stall holders are declaring all their income?

I know i am taking this to extremes but nothing is 100% ethical.

[Gav]

Now I've just discovered that my mate's sister in law has just retired as a headmistress after 40 years service. She was on 90k pa and her final salary pension is worth 60k pa. So I think that puts the 'poorly paid teachers' camp in their place.

However and I confess that I'm not entirely sure about this (so I'll welcome anyone with specialist knowledge to correct me) but he reckons that to have a pension amount to 60k pa in the private sector one must have approx £3m invested...... which he then said is not allowed. If thats the case then it's a shameful example of one rule for the public sector and another for the private sector isn't it?

Blond hair, short skirt and big tits eh?

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Public sector cushy numbers are a thing of the past, it's more a case of spot salaries and final salary pensions are no more.

As for his PA, very perceptive Gordon, he's knocking her off but she's a very plain middle aged woman by all accounts, but we're on the same page.

[Stuart]

of course not, but they've already paid tax on the money used to buy the house

I didn't see Jim's reply to this point. Did I miss it?

[yoda]

I didn't see Jim's reply to this point. Did I miss it?

Don't hold your breath

[otto man]

I've never once used Amazon, i try to shop ethically. Buy most of my books from Charity shops unless it's something new i really want and then it's Waterstones. I don't use supermarkets either and try to buy all my food from the local market. Probably makes me sound like a sandal-wearing lentil-eating eco-warrior but i'd rather give my money to local businesses rather than tax-dodging behemoths.

Act local, Think global

You're Neil, from the Young Ones right?

[Al]

I've never once used Amazon, i try to shop ethically. Buy most of my books from Charity shops unless it's something new i really want and then it's Waterstones. I don't use supermarkets either and try to buy all my food from the local market. Probably makes me sound like a sandal-wearing lentil-eating eco-warrior but i'd rather give my money to local businesses rather than tax-dodging behemoths.

Act local, Think global

Does the weight of your halo give you a headache?

[Gav]

Can this be right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32272817

[Wiggy]

Now I've just discovered that my mate's sister in law has just retired as a headmistress after 40 years service. She was on 90k pa and her final salary pension is worth 60k pa. So I think that puts the 'poorly paid teachers' camp in their place.

However and I confess that I'm not entirely sure about this (so I'll welcome anyone with specialist knowledge to correct me) but he reckons that to have a pension amount to 60k pa in the private sector one must have approx £3m invested...... which he then said is not allowed. If thats the case then it's a shameful example of one rule for the public sector and another for the private sector isn't it.

If you were to purchase an annuity to fund the benefits in that pension ( disregarding the lump sum which would go with it) it would cost approximately £2,500,0000. However, for taxation purposes, HMRC multiply final salary pensions by 20. Therefore, a £60,000 pension would be treated as a benefit of £1,200,000. This is inside the current limit of £1,250,000 and would not be subject to any additional charge.

[thenodrog]

Probably. Shelf stackers / check out girls abound there because it's a menial job which requires little intelligence in a warm dry environment. I presume overtime would take their wages up if it was available? But buy/operate cheap and sell dear is what supermarkets are all about.

Personally speaking I use supermarkets as little as possible and virtually not at all for food. I believe lots of people would do the same but for being duped by everlasting 2 4 1 and bogoff deals that the supermarkets increasingly depend on. I went into Sainsbury's at Bamber Bridge just last week for only the second time ever (and for a single item at that) and I can't even rem the last time I went in either Tesco or Asda. If I do use supermarkets it's for provisions rather than food it's either Aldi or Waitrose. Meat from selected local butchers, Pauls Farm Leyland for fruit and veg, and I stock up with bread from any outlet stocking Gi loaves made by Liddles Bakery at Barnoldswick. All healthy and inexpensive and they support entire families rather than minimum pay jobs.

[Sandiway Blue]

No one should use Amazon or Starbucks or any of the other tax-avoiding / evading companies that employ basic wage zero contract workers.

So i assume that you don't use any services provided by county council or the NHS then?

[yoda]

So i assume that you don't use any services provided by county council or the NHS then?

That is why I asked about the nursing home !