[Archived] The General Election 2015

[Paul]

What are you proposing Paul, means tested waste disposal?

I'm suggesting if a Conservative government is returned to power we should prepare for low taxation and paying for services which are currently funded from local taxes.

Alternatively I propose we have to pay more tax to fund the lifestyle the country expects.

[T J Hooker]

I'm suggesting if a Conservative government is returned to power we should prepare for low taxation and paying for services which are currently funded from local taxes.

Alternatively I propose we have to pay more tax to fund the lifestyle the country expects.

They sound like the words of somebody with a healthy sized amount of disposable income, I'm pleased that you seem to have done well for yourself but a lot of people for many various reasons have to struggle through life to make ends meet.

[ABBEY]

blimy two likes in a few hours for tj

[Gav]

You were doing great until the last line GAV. Obviously indoctrinated by a socialist family from an early age.

My Dads a Tory Al

[thenodrog]

Alternatively I propose we have to pay more tax to fund the lifestyle the country expects.

I want never gets.

Tell me Paul if you gave your kids a sweet and they screamed for another when they finished it what did you do?

[Gav]

Sad to say from my point of view I think the Con-Lib Dems will sneak in again. There are great swathes of the population who don't really follow politics or the economy for that matter and they will be swayed by the hysterical wall of negative publicity from the rightwing media against Ed Miliband. My hope is that sense will prevail and people will remember the damage this government have done to this country and vote for a change - we desperately need a new sense of direction and a dismantling of the neo-liberal consensus that has enriched the few at the expense of the majority over the past 30 years.

Wash your mouth out Jim, 5 more years of the Tories think I'll leave the country.....

[thenodrog]

Wash your mouth out Jim, 5 more years of the Tories think I'll leave the country.....

Albania, China and North Korea being the only possible destinations that would suit. Have fun gav.

[joey_big_nose]

Come Friday morning we think that Labour will get in propped up and having to rely on the SNP to pass legislation but Cameron will get first go. He will try and form a government with Lib Dem and DUP backing and put forward a Queen's speech with policies such as tax cuts etc and then dare Lab and the SNP to vote it down. After that who knows what will happen.

I think this is what will happen too. Ed going into government with the SNP would be a major strategic problem for him. It will be really unpredictable and a weak situation. Getting a strong agenda going would be very troubling. Labour's long term objectives are better served by letting the coalition run its course and then come in 2020 with a decent majority.

Tories won't be able to do anything very radical as they need the libs support. We will trundle along. Cameron and Labours support will whittle away as all incumbent's do.

To be honest I think that would suit Labour quite well.

[yoda]

I'm suggesting if a Conservative government is returned to power we should prepare for low taxation and paying for services which are currently funded from local taxes.

Alternatively I propose we have to pay more tax to fund the lifestyle the country expects.

Then the outgoing Labour chancellor can leave another note which reads

The life style you ordered is out of stock

Wash your mouth out Jim, 5 more years of the Tories think I'll leave the country.....

Well if it's the SNP and Labour it's off to France again,

Communism being slightly better than that coalition.

[K-Hod]

Well for what it's worth I'd rather turn the tables and be voting in a referendum in England now on whether we want Scotland part of the Union or not. They cost us a fortune, are promising virtual anarchy in place of democracy after the election and the lot of em would be up @#/? creek without a paddle if we cut them adfrift. A deep water port for Trident is all we need and then Salmond and Sturgeons goose would be well and truly cooked.

Scotland seem to just want to keep getting a referendum until the leaders get the outcome they want, they've had one though and they bottled it, end of discussion.

Aside from all that- I don't think UKIP are a racist party, but their policies on immigration are similar to all the other major parties and they want to leave Europe which I think is a terrible idea.

[jim mk2]

This would be funny if it weren't such a great big lie from Boris Johnson. “We are a compassionate one-nation Conservative party that cares about everybody in our country."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/06/boris-johnson-guardian-readers-vote-tory-general-election-conservatives

[Al]

I'm suggesting if a Conservative government is returned to power we should prepare for low taxation and paying for services which are currently funded from local taxes.

Alternatively I propose we have to pay more tax to fund the lifestyle the country expects.

Only if you get your way and get a socialist government or worse still a Scottish influenced one.

My Dads a Tory Al

Sensible guy you should listen to him.

Wash your mouth out Jim, 5 more years of the Tories think I'll leave the country.....

And there was me thinking it was only Bastwell you were leaving.

[Paul]

They sound like the words of somebody with a healthy sized amount of disposable income, I'm pleased that you seem to have done well for yourself but a lot of people for many various reasons have to struggle through life to make ends meet.

That is the whole point of progressive taxation. I know I can afford to pay more tax and would be willing to do so if it meant services are properly funded. I am NOT suggesting those on low incomes should pay what they cannot afford. The more lower income households which can be taken out of taxation the better.

Just look at the waste permit thing which started my point. Everyone gets 10 bags or items free. After that it's £3.50 per bag/item. That has far more impact on a low income family than on others. It's much fairer if we are all paying sensible progressive taxes and consequently paying in proportion to our ability to pay.

I want never gets.

Tell me Paul if you gave your kids a sweet and they screamed for another when they finished it what did you do?

Didn't give them one but it's a poor analogy. The country expects certain standards and if we want those standards as a population we have to pay for it. I'm not suggesting something for nothing.

[Mike E]

I've provided links for you many times showing this is wrong - do you never read them ?

Darling said cuts had to be made but he wouldn't have targeted those who can't fight back. The Tories aren't known as the nasty party for nothing.

You want lower taxes and cuts in public spending and this what you get. it's your choice.

Where are these links you provide? I've never seen them (even when I asked for some last week, you just ignored a polite request).

You always tell people to 'do their research' without actually appearing to do your own or provide evidence for your viewpoints.

[Al]

That is the whole point of progressive taxation. I know I can afford to pay more tax and would be willing to do so if it meant services are properly funded. I am NOT suggesting those on low incomes should pay what they cannot afford. The more lower income households which can be taken out of taxation the better.

Just look at the waste permit thing which started my point. Everyone gets 10 bags or items free. After that it's £3.50 per bag/item. That has far more impact on a low income family than on others. It's much fairer if we are all paying sensible progressive taxes and consequently paying in proportion to our ability to pay.

Didn't give them one but it's a poor analogy. The country expects certain standards and if we want those standards as a population we have to pay for it. I'm not suggesting something for nothing.

So you do want to means test everything?

[T J Hooker]

That is the whole point of progressive taxation. I know I can afford to pay more tax and would be willing to do so if it meant services are properly funded. I am NOT suggesting those on low incomes should pay what they cannot afford. The more lower income households which can be taken out of taxation the better.

Just look at the waste permit thing which started my point. Everyone gets 10 bags or items free. After that it's £3.50 per bag/item. That has far more impact on a low income family than on others. It's much fairer if we are all paying sensible progressive taxes and consequently paying in proportion to our ability to pay.

Didn't give them one but it's a poor analogy. The country expects certain standards and if we want those standards as a population we have to pay for it. I'm not suggesting something for nothing.

O see, sorry I may as understood what you was saying(I think )

Not waste issue though, do people really go to the dump more than ten times a year! I maybe go once or twice at a push

[Paul]

Only if you get your way and get a socialist government or worse still a Scottish influenced one.

It's not a question of getting my way. I haven't decided yet how I shall vote anyway. It's how the country votes which counts and whatever the result we just get on with life

[RibbleValleyRover]

I have nothing against the Scottish people, just the SNP. I don't see how they can be trusted to provide a fair and balanced opinion when it comes to decision making when their short term aim is to provide as much benefits to Scotland as it can and longer term ultimately want to break up the Union.

This is still the UK, the system should be benefiting the needs of the many not the few up in Scotland. Some would argue they already get a much fairer deal than the rest of the UK.

I actually think the SNP might get their wish, once they have a part to play in dictating government policy under a Miliband led administration I strongly suspect England isn't going to like it.

[Al]

It's not a question of getting my way. I haven't decided yet how I shall vote anyway. It's how the country votes which counts and whatever the result we just get on with life

Can't argue with that Paul. Whoever you decide to vote for it's OK. Just make sure you do.

[Biddy]

Private poll added.

[Paul]

Only if you get your way and get a socialist government or worse still a Scottish influenced one.

It's not a question of getting my way. I haven't decided yet how I shall vote anyway. It's how the country votes which counts and whatever the result we just get on with life

[yoda]

It's not a question of getting my way. I haven't decided yet how I shall vote anyway. It's how the country votes which counts and whatever the result we just get on with life

Your getting like the oldest man in the world (Jim mk2)

[Al]

It's not a question of getting my way. I haven't decided yet how I shall vote anyway. It's how the country votes which counts and whatever the result we just get on with life

I thought I commented on that earlier???

[Paul]

Your getting like the oldest man in the world (Jim mk2)

Can't say I see what you mean by that. There's little wrong with jim's view of the world though I don't necessarily agree with him. He is well read and knowledgeable which is more than can be said for some.

When I read the dinosaur views expressed by some on here it's like living in the dark ages. Anyone who shows the slightest whiff of liberal or socialist thinking is immediately rounded on by the local cabal of free thinking right wingers.

Very contemporary.

[yoda]

Can't say I see what you mean by that. There's little wrong with jim's view of the world though I don't necessarily agree with him. He is well read and knowledgeable which is more than can be said for some.

When I read the dinosaur views expressed by some on here it's like living in the dark ages. Anyone who shows the slightest whiff of liberal or socialist thinking is immediately rounded on by the local cabal of free thinking right wingers.

Very contemporary.

lol

I was referring to your double post,

like someone repeating over and over and hoping it becomes fact,

your response is laughable, cabal of free thinking right wingers!

is that the opposite of a cabal of free thinking left wingers ?

At best both factions will only poll a maximum of less than 30% of the population

Electoral reform is what is needed but both the large parties have a vested interest in keeping the status quo