[Archived] The General Election 2015

[yoda]

Gideon is a politically driven chancellor - everything he does is intended to strengthen the Tories and weaken the opposition. This devolution plan and "northern powerhouse" nonsense is another example and a political trap that Manchester and other cities should be extremely wary of.

Obsorne is chomping at the bit to devolve power because it is a smoke-and-mirrors attempt to shift the blame for cuts in services to the localities. If the good people of Manchester or Liverpool or wherever complain about, for example healthcare, or lack of acute cancer provision, he will be able to say it's nothing to do with central government but it's a problem for the (usually Labour-run) local authority which has not spent wisely the money that was given to them.

It will be a clever trick of blaming a deliberate ideological Tory policy of cutting the state on some hapless local authority when in fact there was never adequate provision transferred from central government to the local council in order to run a decent healthcare provision.

I hope the cities in the north of England queuing up for some sort of devolved authority realise what a poisoned chalice they will be taking. If they are going to be running the likes of local healthcare, transport and the like then they must see that the level of funding provision is adequate before power is transferred to them.

Devolved like Scotland, which currently gets about £2k more per head a year than England.

Biggest problem in healthcare is the over managed system.

[Mattyblue]

Gideon is a politically driven chancellor - everything he does is intended to strengthen the Tories and weaken the opposition.

?

That's exactly the motive any politician worth his salt should have.

[thenodrog]

You seem to have a real issue with Bastwell Gordon? Why?

The last time you tried to explain this it was because you struggled to find a pub, so let's have something better this time around please.

Hey that's a bit pointed gav...... You are the one partaking in white flight not me.

[1864roverite]

I see the Labour supporting members still cant get their head around that their party, the ones who nearly killed this country, got wiped out in the GE.

Weak leadership and policies made out in the kindergarten arena saw the collapse of a moronic outfit still handing on to the Blair/Kinnock regimes that did nothing but promote failure.

Can anyone ever have imagined us having to go to war with a leaderless limp gimp like Milliband? No me neither.

The Labour party died in 2015 and the UK was saved.

[thenodrog]

Devolved like Scotland, which currently gets about £2k more per head a year than England.

Biggest problem in healthcare is the over managed system.

Jim's very bitter to the extent that he is beyond hope. Last week the Tories were wrong for favouring the south, this week they are wrong for attempting to level the playing field by promoting the north.

[K-Hod]

I see the Labour supporting members still cant get their head around that their party, the ones who nearly killed this country, got wiped out in the GE.

Weak leadership and policies made out in the kindergarten arena saw the collapse of a moronic outfit still handing on to the Blair/Kinnock regimes that did nothing but promote failure.

Can anyone ever have imagined us having to go to war with a leaderless limp gimp like Milliband? No me neither.

The Labour party died in 2015 and the UK was saved.

Not really, the results don't lie!

A lot has to chage about the Labour Party from the top down, including policies, leadership etc, it will be a very long road back.

We'll see how the country is looking by the time the next general election rolls around, some very selective memories/views from all sides of the debate to be fair.

[Gav]

Hey that's a bit pointed gav...... You are the one partaking in white flight not me.

So what's wrong with Bastwell then?

Not everyone who leaves the town is a racist bigot you know?

Really you shouldn't be getting away with accusing me or anyone else of 'white flight' either, but I'll not labour the point.

[jim mk2]

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That's exactly the motive any politician worth his salt should have.

If that's the case why did you vote for Gideon when he gives tax cuts to millionaires while making you worse off ?

I see the Labour supporting members still cant get their head around that their party, the ones who nearly killed this country, got wiped out in the GE.

Weak leadership and policies made out in the kindergarten arena saw the collapse of a moronic outfit still handing on to the Blair/Kinnock regimes that did nothing but promote failure.

Can anyone ever have imagined us having to go to war with a leaderless limp gimp like Milliband? No me neither.

The Labour party died in 2015 and the UK was saved.

If it wasn't for Ed Miliband leading a Commons revolt we would now be involved in Syria.

In view of the consequences of Cameron's military intervention in Libya and current boatpeople crisis I think he should be congratulated don't you ?

Jim's very bitter to the extent that he is beyond hope. Last week the Tories were wrong for favouring the south, this week they are wrong for attempting to level the playing field by promoting the north.

Devolution is welcome - as I've said. But there are pitfalls and the way it will be done will be a trap.

[Mattyblue]

If that's the case why did you vote for Gideon when he gives tax cuts to millionaires while making you worse off ?

My take home pay has gone up and inflation is low, not sure how I am worse off?

[jim mk2]

The average family is more than a £1,000 down compared to 5 years ago while the wealth of the richest has more than doubled. I assume you're not a member of the 1 per cent.

[Mattyblue]

Rumbled!

[thenodrog]

Devolution is welcome - as I've said. But there are pitfalls and the way it will be done will be a trap.

For the SNP I think it will, but they want it. Northerners don't.

[jim mk2]

For the SNP I think it will, but they want it. Northerners don't.

Really - evidence ?

[thenodrog]

If that's the case why did you vote for Gideon when he gives tax cuts to millionaires while making you worse off ?

Jim two questions.

1. Do you believe that with all the extra taxation that you propose that we can ALL be millionaires?

or

2. Are we better off as a nation each of us poor and on the breadline?

Now look up the term 'Symbiotic relationship' .

http://sp11symbiosis.providence.wikispaces.net/Shark+symbiosis+with+Pilot+and+Remora+fish

http://animalsymbiosis.weebly.com/nile-crocodile-and-egyptian-plover-bird.html

Jack Walker made his millions from scratch and in the process provided wages for hundreds of families in this area, all those families also paid a portion in income tax, VAT, local rates etc. His business paid millions in taxes to local govt which must have been redistributed all around the Borough to all our benefit. His fantastic financial input for BRFC benefitted the club and town beyond measure. YET IF YOU COULD DETERMINE POLICY IN THIS COUNTRY NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED! You are a devotee of nothing but the lunatic politics of jealousy.

Really - evidence ?

You provide ecidence to the contrary first.

You want to join with the Scots then as they embark on a socialist inspired journey to national poverty. Sorry but I don't.

The average family is more than a £1,000 down compared to 5 years ago while the wealth of the richest has more than doubled. I assume you're not a member of the 1 per cent.

Really? Evidence?

btw if anybody is worse off it's down to the last Labout govt leaving this nation on it's knees. It's been turning around since or have you not read the employment figures?

[Gav]

Anyway why on earth would he Cameron, want to woo her Sturgeon?

She is a sworn enemy so now that he has a majority there will be no wooing necessary.

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As Cameron makes wooing Sturgeon his main priority we all wonder just how far Gordon's finger has slipped from the political pulse!

[jim mk2]

Jim two questions.

1. Do you believe that with all the extra taxation that you propose that we can ALL be millionaires?

or

2. Are we better off as a nation each of us poor and on the breadline?

Now look up the term 'Symbiotic relationship' .

http://sp11symbiosis.providence.wikispaces.net/Shark+symbiosis+with+Pilot+and+Remora+fish

http://animalsymbiosis.weebly.com/nile-crocodile-and-egyptian-plover-bird.html

Jack Walker made his millions from scratch and in the process provided wages for hundreds of families in this area, all those families also paid a portion in income tax, VAT, local rates etc. His business paid millions in taxes to local govt which must have been redistributed all around the Borough to all our benefit. His fantastic financial input for BRFC benefitted the club and town beyond measure. YET IF YOU COULD DETERMINE POLICY IN THIS COUNTRY NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED! You are a devotee of nothing but the lunatic politics of jealousy.

You provide ecidence to the contrary first.

You want to join with the Scots then as they embark on a socialist inspired journey to national poverty. Sorry but I don't.

Really? Evidence?

btw if anybody is worse off it's down to the last Labout govt leaving this nation on it's knees. It's been turning around since or have you not read the employment figures?

1. Why do you think that voting for the party of the wealthy will make you better off when historically they have always tried to keep the average man firmly in his place at the bottom of society ?

2. We are better off as nation with less inequality.

3. Manchester and Liverpool can't wait for devolution - look it up on the internet. Newcastle and a few others are more wary - again look it up yourself.

4. Reference to the Scots is just standard right-wing rhetoric.

5. I've provided evidence countless times from various indepenedent sources about Labour's economic record - which you can't be bothered to read obviously.

Employments figures up in the past 18 months after Osborne ended his 3 and half year austerity experiment with a housing-led dash for growth before the election - or am I being cynical ? Studies show the vast majority of "jobs" created are low skilled, low paid and yes, zero hours, and do nothing to address the perennial productivity problem.

[Gav]

Chucka Umunna withdraws from Labour leadership contest.

Says he's not comfortable with the pressure.

[K-Hod]

Chucka Umunna withdraws from Labour leadership contest.

Says he's not comfortable with the pressure.

Shame, he seemed quite sound!

[Gav]

Shame, he seemed quite sound!

Story in the independent today that paints him in a slightly different light, doubt it had anything to do with his decision to pull out though.

[yoda]

Labour MP's = No bottle

[K-Hod]

Labour MP's = No bottle

Not sure that's exactly right, but they need some stronger characters for the leadership of the party currently, for certain.

[Gav]

Labour MP's = No bottle

Bet you wouldn't say that to Dan Jarvis.....

[Biddy]

Tristram Hunt last night on Question Time was purely awful especially in his typical politician way of trying not to answer if he was going to run for leadership. Just came across as an out of touch posh toff (and not a Conservative!!!). At least he admitted that Labour over spent in the previous Government, even if it's not the right thing to do. He did seem a little embarrassed about that admission.

Gideon is a politically driven chancellor - everything he does is intended to strengthen the Tories and weaken the opposition. This devolution plan and "northern powerhouse" nonsense is another example and a political trap that Manchester and other cities should be extremely wary of.

Obsorne is chomping at the bit to devolve power because it is a smoke-and-mirrors attempt to shift the blame for cuts in services to the localities. If the good people of Manchester or Liverpool or wherever complain about, for example healthcare, or lack of acute cancer provision, he will be able to say it's nothing to do with central government but it's a problem for the (usually Labour-run) local authority which has not spent wisely the money that was given to them.

It will be a clever trick of blaming a deliberate ideological Tory policy of cutting the state on some hapless local authority when in fact there was never adequate provision transferred from central government to the local council in order to run a decent healthcare provision.

I hope the cities in the north of England queuing up for some sort of devolved authority realise what a poisoned chalice they will be taking. If they are going to be running the likes of local healthcare, transport and the like then they must see that the level of funding provision is adequate before power is transferred to them.

Blimey, some people are seriously never happy.

[yoda]

Bet you wouldn't say that to Dan Jarvis.....

Yes I would,

Labour = no bottle,

Labour on Europe, lets not upset them there are more of them than us, lets talk and have a cup of tea

Labour on Scotland, lets get the XXXX out of here they are shouting louder than we can

Labour on IS, lets not bomb them, when they come home lets sit down and have a cup of tea with them.

Labour on Banks, right lads do what you want but don't get caught and everything will be ok.

Labour on the Lockerby bomber, Ok you are not feeling well lets send you home then, time for a cuppa 1st?

Labour on the unions, yes we know we are in your pocket but do you have to let the public know ?

Labour and the food banks, lets lose the election again and blame it on some one else

Labour on the Russian bomber planes, they are only Russian service men on holiday, wonder if they would like a cup of tea?

[roverzee]

If that's the case why did you vote for Gideon when he gives tax cuts to millionaires while making you worse off ?

Cracking argument that ... worked a treat last Thursday