[Archived] The General Election 2015

[jim mk2]

Think you are getting in a bit a twist there Jim, if the capital is sucking all and sundry in, where are they living? if your link is anything to go by.

Are empty mansions in the centre of London really a bad thing, maybe it will ultimately help redress the balance.

You are right of course about London being to big and Manchester as a second national economic power centre would help the nation.

Birmingham being a bit of a lost cause in my opinion.

The high speed rail project should start at Manchester, if the SNP stop being the naughty child in the sweet shop a La' "Me" and "can I have" maybe the Jocks could get a link as well.

Ordinary people have been priced out of London because of skyrocketing prices caused in large part by non-doms and other foreigners using this country as a tax haven by buying property, as Miliband said.

I don't know why I waste my time replying to you because you clearly don't understand anything.

Those that won't work is a tiny minority Al, but the Tory agenda of cutting benefits is built upon convincing the public all benefit claimants won't work.

Cameron is probably going to slash benefits, starting with child benefit, and that mainly hurts low income working families and is the reason the lib dems opposed it during the coalition.

Correct. Vastly overstated and proven to be wrong but provides a useful narrative for the right wing.

[Baz]

Think you are getting in a bit a twist there Jim, if the capital is sucking all and sundry in, where are they living? if your link is anything to go by.

Are empty mansions in the centre of London really a bad thing, maybe it will ultimately help redress the balance.

You are right of course about London being to big and Manchester as a second national economic power centre would help the nation.

Birmingham being a bit of a lost cause in my opinion.

The high speed rail project should start at Manchester, if the SNP stop being the naughty child in the sweet shop a La' "Me" and "can I have" maybe the Jocks could get a link as well.

If they want to create a northern powerhouse then the billions would be far better off being spent on a second major motorway crossing of the pennines, and a total revamp of the northern railway system bringing in double decker trains which would be able to cope with the number of local commuters who would then be able to use it. That instead of saving 8 minutes off a trip to London.

There also should be business incentives to move quality well paid jobs up from London offices, that would reduce pressure on housing in London, and make a more equal second city. Thats where in my opinion the Tories plans arent far reaching enough. I just don't see how having a mayor in Manchester along with some spending will make it more prosperous.

[yoda]

Ordinary people have been priced out of London because of skyrocketing prices caused in large part by non-doms and other foreigners using this country as a tax haven by buying property, as Miliband said.

I don't know why I waste my time replying to you because you clearly don't understand anything.

That is wrong Jim and you know it, non doms buying mansions is not the cause of "ordinary" people being priced out of London. It is demand that is the cause, fuelled by not enough houses being built.

Nice headline if you can get away with though.

If they want to create a northern powerhouse then the billions would be far better off being spent on a second major motorway crossing of the pennines, and a total revamp of the northern railway system bringing in double decker trains which would be able to cope with the number of local commuters who would then be able to use it. That instead of saving 8 minutes off a trip to London.

There also should be business incentives to move quality well paid jobs up from London offices, that would reduce pressure on housing in London, and make a more equal second city. Thats where in my opinion the Tories plans arent far reaching enough. I just don't see how having a mayor in Manchester along with some spending will make it more prosperous.

The Pennine link should be upgraded for sure (is it not being looked at now) but at the end of the day the link to the capital is also vital. My view is the link should be started in the north and progressed south, Manchester being slightly better then Leeds I would say.

There are examples in Germany as to how the transport links work very well and help to spread wealth across a country.

[ABBEY]

32 million I last read was in Cameron's bank but he's going to slash the poor .. We're in this together .

Bullocks

[yoda]

32 million I last read was in Cameron's bank but he's going to slash the poor .. We're in this together .

Bullocks

Pauper compared to Blair, Milliband's etc

[Al]

It's those working on lower incomes that these cuts will hit hardest. £12bn has to come from somewhere and child benefit and tax credits for working families have been earmarked for cuts.

Parasites are the people who earn vast fortunes and do not pay their taxes - a problem that costs this country far more than supporting the so-called. "dollopers".

The operative word is "earn". Something you don't appear to understand.

Parasite :- An organism that lives off or in another organism, obtaining nourishment and protection while offering no benefit in return

Perfect description of the dole dollopers.

[Al]

Those that won't work is a tiny minority Al, but the Tory agenda of cutting benefits is built upon convincing the public all benefit claimants won't work.

Cameron is probably going to slash benefits, starting with child benefit, and that mainly hurts low income working families and is the reason the lib dems opposed it during the coalition.

That's bullsh1t and you know it. Walk around Blackburn or Accrington centre during working hours and see for yourself. You beloved Bastwell is full of them too. Plenty of Sky TV, fags and booze and scruffy kids, all on the dole.

[broadsword]

[thenodrog]

Ordinary people have been priced out of London because of skyrocketing prices caused in large part by non-doms and other foreigners using this country as a tax haven by buying property, as Miliband said.

I don't know why I waste my time replying to you because you clearly don't understand anything.

I don't know why I waste my time replying to you because you clearly don't understand anything.

However why do you insist on quoting Miliband. Miliband said a lot of things that the nation rejected as a load of old @#/? didn't he? How about the one that was the final nail in his coffin... "the last labour govt did not overspend".

This is now the favourite question posed by interviewers to Labour MP's since the election and just about all have admitted that it did. Sadly and regrettably Miliband is now history, even his party have given up on him now. High time you did.

[adopted scouser]

Ordinary people have been priced out of London because of skyrocketing prices caused in large part by non-doms and other foreigners using this country as a tax haven by buying property, as Miliband said.

Like the 'non-dom' that filled Chuka Umunna's wallet with used notes.

[jim mk2]

... "the last labour govt did not overspend".

I suppose it's not your fault (although it might be) that you're too uneducated or too intellectually lazy to question or do some research into this continuing lie. The mainstream right-wing media prefers to present simplistic narratives that seem to make sense to the majority of people, rather than presenting evidence-based facts that make sense to the critically aware minority.

Debt as a percentage of our GDP was lower in 2007 than it had been in 1997. Brown brought the figure below 40% and kept it there until the global crash occurred. And what did the Tories have to say at the time? Osborne promised to match Labour's spending, while Cameron complained that Labour's biggest failure over the previous decade had been too much regulation of the banks.

Here's some bedtime reading for you:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/03/senior-tory-financial-crash-was-purely-a-banking-crisis-not-labour-overspend

[Gav]

That's bullsh1t and you know it. Walk around Blackburn or Accrington centre during working hours and see for yourself. You beloved Bastwell is full of them too. Plenty of Sky TV, fags and booze and scruffy kids, all on the dole.

Up until recently I was in burnley town centre everyday and it was full of people, I had no idea if they worked or not, to be honest I didn't care.

It's just nonsense pulled right out of the daily mail and simply isn't true.

[Sandiway Blue]

Cameron's a southern Eton-Oxbridge toff but the Tories didn't worry about the north when they appointed him. Perhaps they knew there are people up here who are still prepared to bow and scrape to the upper classes.

Just remind us again which university multi-millionaire Milibland went to.... ?

[roverzee]

I suppose it's not your fault (although it might be) that you're too uneducated or too intellectually lazy to question or do some research into this continuing lie. The mainstream right-wing media prefers to present simplistic narratives that seem to make sense to the majority of people, rather than presenting evidence-based facts that make sense to the critically aware minority.

Debt as a percentage of our GDP was lower in 2007 than it had been in 1997. Brown brought the figure below 40% and kept it there until the global crash occurred. And what did the Tories have to say at the time? Osborne promised to match Labour's spending, while Cameron complained that Labour's biggest failure over the previous decade had been too much regulation of the banks.

Here's some bedtime reading for you:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/03/senior-tory-financial-crash-was-purely-a-banking-crisis-not-labour-overspend

Well you can bleat on about it on a football website for the next 5 years if you want to - at least 20 people are reading this.

If you are correct, then Miliband and his colleagues must be criminally incompetent for not getting your simple but damning message about this lie across to voters in time for last Thursday.

Or perhaps the voters got it, but felt that Miliband trying to hide his kitchens was a lie in itself from the champagne socialist.

Or (much more likely) - you're just completely wrong, and the electorate knows, thinks and understands far more about all this than you do.

Whichever way you choose to look at it, Labour is in further disarray by the day, and will probably be unelectable for half a generation, and you're even more muddled up then they are.

[jim mk2]

Well you can bleat on about it on a football website for the next 5 years if you want to - at least 20 people are reading this.

If you are correct, then Miliband and his colleagues must be criminally incompetent for not getting your simple but damning message about this lie across to voters in time for last Thursday.

Or perhaps the voters got it, but felt that Miliband trying to hide his kitchens was a lie in itself from the champagne socialist.

Or (much more likely) - you're just completely wrong, and the electorate knows, thinks and understands far more about all this than you do.

Whichever way you choose to look at it, Labour is in further disarray by the day, and will probably be unelectable for half a generation, and you're even more muddled up then they are.

Labour admitted their biggest mistake was not nailing the Tory lie over the past 5 years.

I've also provided many links from independent sources showing the facts about the deficit and Labour's spending record.

You might try reading them and learning something - or perhaps it's beyond your limited intellect and comprehension ?

You might also struggle with the reality that in the past 5 years George Osborne has created more new debt than every Labour government in history combined.

But well done for not being your usual abusive self.

[roverzee]

Labour admitted their biggest mistake was not nailing the Tory lie over the past 5 years.

How and why did they fail to nail it?

[thenodrog]

Don't people suffering some forms of insanity believe that they are actually sane and everyone else is insane?
Well in similar vein Jim mk2 thinks everyone is thick except himself.

[Gav]

Just remind us again which university multi-millionaire Milibland went to.... ?

What makes you think Ed Miliband is a multi-millionaire?

[Al]

Up until recently I was in burnley town centre everyday and it was full of people, I had no idea if they worked or not, to be honest I didn't care.

It's just nonsense pulled right out of the daily mail and simply isn't true.

If you were in Burnley chances are they were all workshy. I don't read the Daily Mail or any other paper. I observe for myself. Much less would I read that socialist rag The Guardian that Jim is so fond of quoting.

[thenodrog]

What makes you think Ed Miliband is a multi-millionaire?

Can't you do google gav?

http://how-rich.com/143/how-rich-is-ed-miliband/

"He talks transparency and stripping the big millions from politics; however he owns a 1.6 million pound house in an exclusive London neighbourhood and has used the inheritance rules of the land to his advantage. Some say his net worth might be 5 million pounds or US$ 8 million."

Now it seems that the 5m is open to interpretation but I doubt anybody would estimate his wealth at 5x wrong. Also estimations of his house value would be easy to estimate. tbh He's just about everything you have professed to despise in this thread....... Oh and by definition a hypocrite to boot of course.

[Gav]

If you were in Burnley chances are they were all workshy. I don't read the Daily Mail or any other paper. I observe for myself. Much less would I read that socialist rag The Guardian that Jim is so fond of quoting.

It's not true, facts simply don't back you up Al.

[K-Hod]

Can't you do google gav?

http://how-rich.com/143/how-rich-is-ed-miliband/

"He talks transparency and stripping the big millions from politics; however he owns a 1.6 million pound house in an exclusive London neighbourhood and has used the inheritance rules of the land to his advantage. Some say his net worth might be 5 million pounds or US$ 8 million."

Now it seems that the 5m is open to interpretation but I doubt anybody would estimate his wealth at 5x wrong. Also estimations of his house value would be easy to estimate. tbh He's just about everything you have professed to despise in this thread....... Oh and by definition a hypocrite to boot of course.

Not exactly earth-shattering news that a Westminster MP is from privilege is it??

[Gav]

Can't you do google gav?

http://how-rich.com/143/how-rich-is-ed-miliband/

"He talks transparency and stripping the big millions from politics; however he owns a 1.6 million pound house in an exclusive London neighbourhood and has used the inheritance rules of the land to his advantage. Some say his net worth might be 5 million pounds or US$ 8 million."

Now it seems that the 5m is open to interpretation but I doubt anybody would estimate his wealth at 5x wrong. Also estimations of his house value would be easy to estimate. tbh He's just about everything you have professed to despise in this thread....... Oh and by definition a hypocrite to boot of course.

I don't believe the site Gordon, and let me also point out I'm no fan of Ed or any other career politician, just for the record.

[den]

It isn't how much they're worth that matters, it's where they divert our cash to that matters. I see Osbourne has brought forward the budget because he's desperate to start on cutting welfare by massive amounts.

[Gav]

It isn't how much they're worth that matters, it's where they divert our cash to that matters. I see Osbourne has brought forward the budget because he's desperate to start on cutting welfare by massive amounts.

Genuine working families rely on welfare to survive as we all know, the Tories don't care, hit the poorest in society but leave the Tory party hedge funders alone and the tax loopholes for the rich.

Yet people voted this party in! Why?