[Archived] The General Election 2015

[Mike E]

I hope this bit "He will now face a proceeds of crime hearing on October 2, to set a timetable for him to repay the money"

means 'bring your chequebook with you'.

A tenner is nothing if you are ill gav. How about £15 and including a single prescription charge in the deal. Too many timewasters gumming up the works and taking the resources for the genuinely poorly.

I made this point earlier in the thread Theno but I'm not sure you had seen it.

My dad had a slight 'muscle pain' in his leg in November. He'd have continued to ignore it had me and mum not convinced him he HAD to see the doc. And he only went because it was free. Had it been a tenner, he'd have likely kept sticking heat patches and ice packs on it.

He came out with a PSA over 700 (A normal one for his age is around 2 or 3) and a prostate cancer diagnosis with metastatis to his thigh bone and a lymph node.

Had he left it another week (doctor's words in November, not mine) I'd be arranging his funeral in the next week or so. Thankfully we got him in and I have another 4years 6months with him, all being well.

Charging money at the point of entry is a stupid idea, end of. Billing small fees upon diagnosis, maybe, but could be seen as rubbing salt in the wounds. Charging after successful treatment? Perhaps.

But never at the point of entry. That tenner could have been 4years and 6months difference to my dad's life.

[ABBEY]

pay? we already pay national insurance .

[jim mk2]

Why is a little privatisation such a terrible idea ?

These explain why.

http://nhap.org/whats-wrong-privatising-nhs/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-steve-taylor/privatisation-of-nhs_b_5866352.html

[Gav]

good to see democracy being allowed in full tory force...vote for me in EU vote or resign says the dictator to his sheep.

Democracy Cameron's way.

Cameron briefed the press which led to the stories this morning, now he's saying he's been misinterpreted, by the whole press pack!

[ABBEY]

U

[adopted scouser]

Then there's the announcement of £3bn in cuts and savings, while we hand out £12bn in foreign aid.

Yup, twelve billion

[MCMC1875]

pay? we already pay national insurance .

Any link between NI and pensions, NHS funding disappeared last century. Blair's labour chucked it all in the same kitty.

WAKE UP ABBEY!!!

[Al]

Then there's the announcement of £3bn in cuts and savings, while we hand out £12bn in foreign aid.

Yup, twelve billion

Labour or Tory that's scandalous!

[T J Hooker]

Any link between NI and pensions, NHS funding disappeared last century. Blair's labour chucked it all in the same kitty.

WAKE UP ABBEY!!!

abbeys sentiment is right though, We(well most of us) pay massive amounts of taxes, even dole dossers have to pay varying amounts of vat on most things they buy(and if that's fags and beer then they're likely putting half their benefit money back into the pot)

[adopted scouser]

Labour or Tory that's scandalous!

Or £250 million to India, who have a SPACE PROGRAMME costing around, wait for it,

£250 million

[thenodrog]

pay? we already pay national insurance .

Only 73% of people within working age do Abbey..... and thats only thanks to the Conservatives according to this. Can't think why you don't vote for 'the party of the working man'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117

[thenodrog]

abbeys sentiment is right though, We(well most of us) pay massive amounts of taxes, even dole dossers have to pay varying amounts of vat on most things they buy(and if that's fags and beer then they're likely putting half their benefit money back into the pot)

. Well funny that TJ. Oddly nobodies bitten at your bait yet.

btw most tax on cigs (80%) and alcohol is in the form of 'excise duty' rather than VAT.

[Gav]

Or £250 million to India, who have a SPACE PROGRAMME costing around, wait for it,

£250 million

And a nuclear programme!

I'm all for giving aid, it's our responsibility as a prosperous nation, but this does make a mockery of it when we have over a million people using food banks in UK!

[yoda]

. Well funny that TJ. Oddly nobodies bitten at your bait yet.

btw most tax on cigs (80%) and alcohol is in the form of 'excise duty' rather than VAT.

I was hoping it was left there for posterity showing how much of a cluck TJ is

[T J Hooker]

jesus yada your a pathetic arrogant weasel, at least theno actually added some topic related content to his post, you on the other hand are just thick as "cluck" I'm guessing the missus or a business partner has to handle the financial and business affairs in your life and your nothing but a silent partner(which would explain why you've so much time on your hands to troll around here day after day)

[ABBEY]

jesus yada your a pathetic arrogant weasel, at least theno actually added some topic related content to his post, you on the other hand are just thick as "cluck" I'm guessing the missus or a business partner has to handle the financial and business affairs in your life and your nothing but a silent partner(which would explain why you've so much time on your hands to troll around here day after day)

Such a nice guy

[T J Hooker]

Sorry, but Yodas such a consistently arrogant snidey and weasely piece of work, His continuous trolling and pathetic attempts at belittling pretty much every post I(and a good few other posters) make means ignoring him is pretty impossible, He intentionally trys turning every thread into a bickering session(and has been succeeding lately now that there is no modding going on)

[ABBEY]

TJ is Innoncent ..

[Gav]

Every night, every thread, its like s fooking creche.

[yoda]

jesus yada your a pathetic arrogant weasel, at least theno actually added some topic related content to his post, you on the other hand are just thick as "cluck" I'm guessing the missus or a business partner has to handle the financial and business affairs in your life and your nothing but a silent partner(which would explain why you've so much time on your hands to troll around here day after day)

No TJ, I am the boss, numero uno,

live ith it

[Gav]

No TJ, I am the boss, numero uno,

live ith it

You're a bloody child!

Have a word with yourself Yoda, read what you're posting, it's embarrassing and you're not on your own.

Take the vendetta to PM FFS.

[imy9]

Every day.

Every thread.

A little consideration for everyone else on here would be nice.

[Gav]

I notice this morning that Gideon has decided its time to sell RBS for some 15bn less than the tax payer paid for the bank in 2008, and the queue to buy RBS will be long, very long, because its being sold at a cut price, and someone somewhere will make a packet from its acquisition.

On the same day its being reported that he’s going to cut working tax credit to 2003 levels, saving 5bn. This would mean around 4m hard working people would lose £1400 a year. The Tories believe it will encourage people to work harder, take on more work on and not rely on welfare. So in other words work yourself into the ground on zero hours contracts and poorly paid jobs......

So whilst Tax avoidance is now pushed firmly back under the table after the election, Starbucks and other international companies breath a sign of relief, the hedge funders can rest easy, its the poorest in society that foot the bill again, and people voted for this party, in massive numbers, they must be doing something right, but what?

[jim mk2]

What do you expect from a history graduate who wanted to be a journalist but ended up chancellor ?

There's nothing new in all this - it's been going on for 5 years.

[Biddy]

I notice this morning that Gideon has decided its time to sell RBS for some 15bn less than the tax payer paid for the bank in 2008, and the queue to buy RBS will be long, very long, because its being sold at a cut price, and someone somewhere will make a packet from its acquisition.

Of course we are not looking at the bigger picture here. Maybe for instance the crisis was so bad, the previous government had to over-pay what it was actually worth? The current government aren't selling off at an artificially low level, they are just selling shares over the next 5 years at the current share price. They hope that the price will start rising over the course of 5 years so they actually get more back long term. Also, the buy price and the "current" sale price do not take into account all the repayments, fees and asset sales over the time of state ownership. Rotheschilds estimate that the UK taxpayer is expected to make £14bn from the start to end of the RBS state ownership. Surely there is no reason why a government should continue to own a bank?

On the same day its being reported that he’s going to cut working tax credit to 2003 levels, saving 5bn. This would mean around 4m hard working people would lose £1400 a year. The Tories believe it will encourage people to work harder, take on more work on and not rely on welfare. So in other words work yourself into the ground on zero hours contracts and poorly paid jobs......

Question to you GAV, are you a "hard working person"? Do you rely on tax credits? I know I am and I don't. The reason, I work full time and work hard to make sure I can provide and don't have to "rely" on tax credits. What is so wrong with people actually working for a living?

Although actually on reading the news article I see it only says "sources close to Osbourne" say he is "considering" which means there's a lot of hearsay going on. The BBC report says that the government believes companies get away with paying low ages as the government top this up with tax credits. Well that might be right, but surely the government should tackle that first by increasing the minimum wage to an acceptable level. Then more people would be paid above the working tax credit threshold anyway.

So whilst Tax avoidance is now pushed firmly back under the table after the election, Starbucks and other international companies breath a sign of relief, the hedge funders can rest easy, its the poorest in society that foot the bill again, and people voted for this party, in massive numbers, they must be doing something right, but what?

Now that I agree with. Scandalous that nothing is still being done and we know damn well nothing will get done.