[Archived] The General Election 2015

[jim mk2]

How lucky are we, not being in the European single currency, looks like the other counties want Greece's head

Correct.

All rise to our saviour Gordon Brown.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/07/16/when-gordon-brown-saved-us-from-the-euro-10-years-ago/

[Al]

Correct.

All rise to our saviour Gordon Brown.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/07/16/when-gordon-brown-saved-us-from-the-euro-10-years-ago/

Good old Independent. Never fails to give you a red favoured quote. Come off it Jim. everybody knows it was Margaret Thatcher (Spit) that kept us out of the Euro.

[ABBEY]

Whilst she destroyed us

[thenodrog]

Correct.

All rise to our saviour Gordon Brown.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/07/16/when-gordon-brown-saved-us-from-the-euro-10-years-ago/

Have you actually read it? How about you abbey? Seems Brown had very little to do with it other than to debate it but feared the prospect of the Labour govt losing the required refendum.

"It wasn’t, of course, Gordon Brown (or Ed Balls) who saved us from adopting the euro. It was John Major, who negotiated the opt-out in the Maastricht Treaty, and who forced Labour to match his promise that any recommendation to join would be put to the people in a referendum."

[thenodrog]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33393480

This is good news and very fair. Well done George Osborne.

[Gav]

Again it doesn't benefit the poorest in society but the wealthier. If you're fortunate enough to be inheriting a 1m house you'll be quids in!

He's going to cut welfare for the poorest, no mention of that Gordon!

[thenodrog]

Does anyone care? How that numpty Russell Brand gets air time to comment on political matters is beyond me. How tf did he ever get to appear on Question Time? The only theory that I can propose is that he's screwing someone at the beeb..... or vice versa.

Not quite......... Ed thinking that Brand can offer more gravitas than scorn to his campaign and even worse Ed adopting Brand speak! Down with the kidz eh Ed?

Appeal to the younger disengaged voter and repulse the older engaged voter. I trust you aren't in PR gav?

Seems the distasteful Russell Brand is slowly cooking his own goose as more and more people are finding him as repulsive and repugnant as I have for some time now. Good job Little Ed was sunk without a trace in May else this knob would likely be in his Cabinet!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/05/jeremy-kyle-russell-brand-tunisia-terrorism_n_7729822.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D363192

[thenodrog]

Again it doesn't benefit the poorest in society but the wealthier. If you're fortunate enough to be inheriting a 1m house you'll be quids in!

He's going to cut welfare for the poorest, no mention of that Gordon!

Irrelevant Gav. Separate issue altogether. Have you not read the article?

"The inheritance tax policy will be funded by limiting the amount of tax relief on pension contributions given to those earning more than £150,000 a year. In a joint article, Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne write: "As we promised in our manifesto, we'll take the family home out of inheritance tax for all but the richest." They add: "It can only be right that when you've worked hard to own your own home, it will go to your family and not the taxman."

Surely it must occur to you that many homes across the land and particularly in the South are worth in excess of £650,000 which was the previous limit. In fact the average house price in London is just over 500k so it's going to benefit an awful lot more people than 'the richest' as you describe them... in fact coming in at 1million WILL still affect the richest. When the Tories were elected in 2010 IT was just over 300k so if that had stayed the same Mr and Mrs Average and Mrs and Mrs Belowaverage would be getting caned. Don't forget property is bought and paid for out of taxed income anyway.

Just as an aside how would you feel if he had started investment tax on the full value of every house? For people who die relatively early their kids (including your own gav if you have any) would have to sell the family home (their home) and move out just to pay off the taxman.

[Al]

Seems the distasteful Russell Brand is slowly cooking his own goose as more and more people are finding him as repulsive and repugnant as I have for some time now. Good job Little Ed was sunk without a trace in May else this knob would likely be in his Cabinet!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/05/jeremy-kyle-russell-brand-tunisia-terrorism_n_7729822.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D363192

But then Kyle is a worse pillock than Brand. Makes a living out of mocking helpless pond life on TV protected by a team of gorillas.

[Baz]

Irrelevant Gav. Separate issue altogether. Have you not read the article?

"The inheritance tax policy will be funded by limiting the amount of tax relief on pension contributions given to those earning more than £150,000 a year. In a joint article, Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne write: "As we promised in our manifesto, we'll take the family home out of inheritance tax for all but the richest." They add: "It can only be right that when you've worked hard to own your own home, it will go to your family and not the taxman."

Surely it must occur to you that many homes across the land and particularly in the South are worth in excess of £650,000 which was the previous limit. In fact the average house price in London is just over 500k so it's going to benefit an awful lot more people than 'the richest' as you describe them... in fact coming in at 1million WILL still affect the richest. When the Tories were elected in 2010 IT was just over 300k so if that had stayed the same Mr and Mrs Average and Mrs and Mrs Belowaverage would be getting caned. Don't forget property is bought and paid for out of taxed income anyway.

Just as an aside how would you feel if he had started investment tax on the full value of every house? For people who die relatively early their kids (including your own gav if you have any) would have to sell the family home (their home) and move out just to pay off the taxman.

Nothing per se particularly wrong with raising the threshold on inheritance tax, but if there is money raised from other tax policies then why isnt that being used to support the poorest in society? The priorities seem wrong to me.

This week we have seen reports of an increasing number of kids being brought up in poverty.

[Al]

Nothing per se particularly wrong with raising the threshold on inheritance tax, but if there is money raised from other tax policies then why isnt that being used to support the poorest in society? The priorities seem wrong to me.

This week we have seen reports of an increasing number of kids being brought up in poverty.

The poorest in society are supported probably better than anywhere else in the world but there is a limit to what you give away when you skim it off the taxpayer.

[Baz]

The poorest in society are supported probably better than anywhere else in the world but there is a limit to what you give away when you skim it off the taxpayer.

2/3rds of families where kids are being brought up in poverty have at least 1 adult in full time employment.

[Gav]

Nothing per se particularly wrong with raising the threshold on inheritance tax, but if there is money raised from other tax policies then why isnt that being used to support the poorest in society? The priorities seem wrong to me.

This week we have seen reports of an increasing number of kids being brought up in poverty.

I think the Tories are going to redefined the term 'child poverty' because the figures made grim reading.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/01/tories-redefined-child-poverty-no-longer-finances

[Al]

2/3rds of families where kids are being brought up in poverty have at least 1 adult in full time employment.

That is normally when couples have more kids than they can possibly afford then expect the taxpayer to help out. It's irresponsible in the extreme and sometimes deliberate.

[Baz]

That is normally when couples have more kids than they can possibly afford then expect the taxpayer to help out. It's irresponsible in the extreme and sometimes deliberate.

Is that a fact you can back up Al?

[Al]

Is that a fact you can back up Al?

Can you disprove it? My time is too precious to go hunting for statistics.

[Baz]

Can you disprove it? My time is too precious to go hunting for statistics.

I'll take that as a no then Al.

[Al]

I'll take that as a no then Al.

Take what you want Baz. Makes no difference to the facts I stated. You take the trouble to disprove it. You are the one disputing it not me.

[jim mk2]

Can you disprove it? My time is too precious to go hunting for statistics.

If you can't prove it with facts your statement is worthless.

Take what you want Baz. Makes no difference to the facts I stated. You take the trouble to disprove it. You are the one disputing it not me.

You haven't provided any facts - just an opinion based on your prejudices.

Show us the evidence and then you have a reasonable basis for an argument.

[jim mk2]

How lucky are we, not being in the European single currency, looks like the other counties want Greece's head

More on how Brown saved Britain from the euro . Ed Balls deserves credit too for devising the 5 tests for joining.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11947831

http://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2013/jun/02/britain-euro-what-if-joined

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-gordon-brown-saved-britain-from-the-euro-and-why-that-makes-him-a-hero-2011-10?IR=T

[jim mk2]

Again it doesn't benefit the poorest in society but the wealthier. If you're fortunate enough to be inheriting a 1m house you'll be quids in!

He's going to cut welfare for the poorest, no mention of that Gordon!

Inheritance tax and stamp duty should both be abolished. They are an anachronism in this day and age and IT in particular is so easy to avoid anyway it's almost become a voluntary tax.

IT on homes should be replaced by capital gains tax, which would have the benefit of discouraging people to sink all their wealth into property and might force them to look at investing in other more productive areas of the economy.

CGT would also help to reduce house prices and help the young and lower paid get on at the bottom of the housing ladder.

[Baz]

Take what you want Baz. Makes no difference to the facts I stated. You take the trouble to disprove it. You are the one disputing it not me.

You can't claim to be providing "facts" Al, when you are asking me to look for the facts.

I'd accept that families with lots of kids have less to spend per kid, but I just don't think there are that many of those families around to make any real difference to the overall number of children in poverty, and I shouldn't think there are a lot more of those families with many kids now versus 10 years ago to be a reason for child poverty increasing.

Any thoughts why child poverty is increasing when the government keeps telling us how well they are doing with the economy?

[yoda]

But then Kyle is a worse pillock than Brand. Makes a living out of mocking helpless pond life on TV protected by a team of gorillas.

Don't agree with that, which shows how bad Brand is,

quoted from what Brand said "Russell Brand believes the minute's silence is an 'empty futile gesture'"

What is empty and futile is Brand, what is the saying about empty vessels.

When hedgehog leaves the UK again he should take Brand with him

[Al]

If you can't prove it with facts your statement is worthless.

You haven't provided any facts - just an opinion based on your prejudices.

Show us the evidence and then you have a reasonable basis for an argument

It's you who is arguing not me. Prove me wrong.

[Biddy]

It's you who is arguing not me. Prove me wrong.

Not really the way it works though is it Al? Anyone can make something up, it surely should be up to you to provide the evidence.