[Archived] The General Election 2015

[Al]

Not really the way it works though is it Al? Anyone can make something up, it surely should be up to you to provide the evidence.

May not be the way you work Biddy but as far as I am concerned it's up to you to prove me wrong. I have better things to do than go through statistics to prove to doubters what I see with my own eyes.

[Gav]

Inheritance tax and stamp duty should both be abolished. They are an anachronism in this day and age and IT in particular is so easy to avoid anyway it's almost become a voluntary tax.

IT on homes should be replaced by capital gains tax, which would have the benefit of discouraging people to sink all their wealth into property and might force them to look at investing in other more productive areas of the economy.

CGT would also help to reduce house prices and help the young and lower paid get on at the bottom of the housing ladder.

Just on homes, its rumoured Gideon is going to raise social housing rents in the budget on Wednesday. So he's not satisfied with just cutting benefits, he now wants to charge more for the poorest in society to put a roof over their heads.

Yet we still see these massive businesses operating in this country without paying their fair share of tax, strange that isn't it.

We live in a democracy though and the British people voted this lot in

[jim mk2]

May not be the way you work Biddy but as far as I am concerned it's up to you to prove me wrong. I have better things to do than go through statistics to prove to doubters what I see with my own eyes.

So, to use your vernacular, you are just another lazy "dolloper" who cannot be bothered to get off his backside and do some work.

[jim mk2]

Just on homes, its rumoured Gideon is going to raise social housing rents in the budget on Wednesday. So he's not satisfied with just cutting benefits, he now wants to charge more for the poorest in society to put a roof over their heads.

Yet we still see these massive businesses operating in this country without paying their fair share of tax, strange that isn't it.

We live in a democracy though and the British people voted this lot in

I learnt this weekend about another tax scam used by corporations with regards to the big warehouse / logistics sheds being built all over the country. According to this well-informed source they get a tax rebate for the first 3 or 4 years of occupation from the local council, then move out to another new shed where they get another tax break for the next 4 years or so. It's nonsense that people at the bottom of society are continuing to be squeezed when these sort of tax loopholes exist. They should be closed.

[thenodrog]

But then Kyle is a worse pillock than Brand. Makes a living out of mocking helpless pond life on TV protected by a team of gorillas.

Does he? When? I doubt he's 'worse' tbh.

[thenodrog]

Nothing per se particularly wrong with raising the threshold on inheritance tax, but if there is money raised from other tax policies then why isnt that being used to support the poorest in society? The priorities seem wrong to me.

This week we have seen reports of an increasing number of kids being brought up in poverty.

No responsibility to their parents then? With respect to people finding themselves in unfortunate circumstances people should adhgere tio the mantra that if anybody cannot afford kids they shouldn't have them.

As for the poorest in society, there will always be the poorest in society. Nobody starves in this country and certainly not now food is given out free to a multitude of scroungers. Food banks.... no wonder half of the moslem world and and most of Africa are desperate to get here is it?

[thenodrog]

2/3rds of families where kids are being brought up in poverty have at least 1 adult in full time employment.

Your definition of poverty is a long way from mine Baz. 'Hard up' and 'tight for cash' do not figure in my definition of poverty. I was in this modern definition of earning 60% of average income and all that when we had a young family (in fact I'd wager most are). After I got married I got a small mortgage on a run down end terrace, gutted it back to brickwork and rebuilt it. We then made the concious decision that my wife would stay at home and bring the kids up until they went to secondary school. Did without a lot to do so but I'd do it all again.

Is that a fact you can back up Al?

walk around Blackburn and open your eyes.

[thenodrog]

Inheritance tax and stamp duty should both be abolished. They are an anachronism in this day and age and IT in particular is so easy to avoid anyway it's almost become a voluntary tax.

IT on homes should be replaced by capital gains tax, which would have the benefit of discouraging people to sink all their wealth into property and might force them to look at investing in other more productive areas of the economy.

CGT would also help to reduce house prices and help the young and lower paid get on at the bottom of the housing ladder.

Commie housing....Jims version of utopia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panel%C3%A1k

Just on homes, its rumoured Gideon is going to raise social housing rents in the budget on Wednesday. So he's not satisfied with just cutting benefits, he now wants to charge more for the poorest in society to put a roof over their heads.

Yet we still see these massive businesses operating in this country without paying their fair share of tax, strange that isn't it.

We live in a democracy though and the decent, hard working, socially responsible British people voted this lot in

Reads better now Gav.

[jim mk2]

Commie housing....Jims version of utopia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panel%C3%A1k

Silly.

[thenodrog]

Is it? Lots of people actually like spending their money on making improvements to their house and garden. It frequently provides local employment and allows for businesses to thrive yet you would punish them financially for doing so.

Stupid.

[K-Hod]

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[Al]

So, to use your vernacular, you are just another lazy "dolloper" who cannot be bothered to get off his backside and do some work.

More stupidity from Jim. For your information I worked all my life without ever taking a penny handout from the state, not even sick pay and now live on a private pension that I paid for, my investments that I paid for and my state pension which I also paid for. Don't dare call me a dolloper! If I want to sit on my backside I have earned the right to unlike the dole dollopers that you champion.

Does he? When? I doubt he's 'worse' tbh.

Every bloody day! OK I'll admit it's a close call between the two.

[Guest]

Don't think Al has said anything out of order, and isn't really something you can back up with facts. I'll bet most of us personally know of a case or two of it. I'm sure it isn't a representation of everybody, but it does happen.

[jim mk2]

More stupidity from Jim. For your information I worked all my life without ever taking a penny handout from the state, not even sick pay and now live on a private pension that I paid for, my investments that I paid for and my state pension which I also paid for. Don't dare call me a dolloper! If I want to sit on my backside I have earned the right to unlike the dole dollopers that you champion.

How about doing some "work" on here and backing up your outrageous statements with some tangible evidence of proof ?

And while you're at it, please show where I have championed "dole dollopers" (whatever they are) ?

[Al]

How about doing some "work" on here and backing up your outrageous statements with some tangible evidence of proof ?

And while you're at it, please show where I have championed "dole dollopers" (whatever they are) ?

Walk around Blackburn or Accrington town centre especially on giro day and you will see for yourself. Scruffs with several kids in tow with cans and fags while the kids have a packet of crisps. Don't try to deny it I've seen it with my own eyes. I have worked all my life but never for no pay and I'm not about to start in retirement. Anybody who backs socialism as strongly as you do champions dole dollopers by association.

[K-Hod]

Come on Al, you know that isn't the case! Nobody likes the dollopers. That's like saying anyone voting Tory is supporting tax evasion by association!!

[Al]

Come on Al, you know that isn't the case! Nobody likes the dollopers. That's like saying anyone voting Tory is supporting tax evasion by association!!

Jim does. Please amend from evasion to avoidance. One is legal and the other certainly isn't. In any case the comparison doesn't really work does it?

[Gav]

Come on Al, you know that isn't the case! Nobody likes the dollopers. That's like saying anyone voting Tory is supporting tax evasion by association!!

Channel 4 and channel 5 seem to do nothing more these days that show documentaries about people on benefits, people that have been unemployed for years and burglars that claim dole and rob people to top up their money.

Its no wonder with have views like Al’s!

Once upon a time it was the daily mail that fanned these sort of flames, now its all over the TV.

The Tories have jumped on the back of such programs to help convince people that we need to hammer people on benefits because they’re all scroungers which simple isn’t true.

Gideon had a pop at the BBC on Sunday, bet he's not going to do the same to channel 4 and 5!

Good effort Britain, you voted these idiots in

[K-Hod]

Jim does. Please amend from evasion to avoidance. One is legal and the other certainly isn't. In any case the comparison doesn't really work does it?

It only works as much as your example is accurate, as it's a massive generalisation.

Legality aside it's still not paying taxes as they fall due.

[K-Hod]

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[jim mk2]

Walk around Blackburn or Accrington town centre especially on giro day and you will see for yourself. Scruffs with several kids in tow with cans and fags while the kids have a packet of crisps. Don't try to deny it I've seen it with my own eyes. I have worked all my life but never for no pay and I'm not about to start in retirement. Anybody who backs socialism as strongly as you do champions dole dollopers by association.

Standard Ukip/Tory narrative over a "problem" that has been exaggerated out of all proportion. Meanwhile, the real national scandal - tax evasion and avoidance - continues to get swept under the carpet by the rich people's friends in government.

As an lazy internet poster who can't be arsed to lift a finger to back up your increasingly ludicrous claims, you are exactly the same as the "dollopers" (a silly word but it's one you seem to understand) you continue to castigate ad nauseum.

[Baz]

No responsibility to their parents then? With respect to people finding themselves in unfortunate circumstances people should adhgere tio the mantra that if anybody cannot afford kids they shouldn't have them.

As for the poorest in society, there will always be the poorest in society. Nobody starves in this country and certainly not now food is given out free to a multitude of scroungers. Food banks.... no wonder half of the moslem world and and most of Africa are desperate to get here is it?

So, the original point was that should any funds being levied be used to increase the point at which inheritance tax be applied, or should we look at other priorities such as addressing INCREASING child poverty (in a economy we are told is growing)?

Yes obviously parents have a responsibility, and as I have already said large families will have less to spend per child, but none of that explains why child poverty is increasing - does it?

[jim mk2]

So, the original point was that should any funds being levied be used to increase the point at which inheritance tax be applied, or should we look at other priorities such as addressing INCREASING child poverty (in a economy we are told is growing)?

Yes obviously parents have a responsibility, and as I have already said large families will have less to spend per child, but none of that explains why child poverty is increasing - does it?

Child poverty won't be a problem much longer because the evil Duncan Smith is going to rewrite the rules defining poverty. So there you are, change the goalposts and the problem is fixed.

Meanwhile the kids go hungry.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-scraps-target-5983348

[thenodrog]

So, the original point was that should any funds being levied be used to increase the point at which inheritance tax be applied, or should we look at other priorities such as addressing INCREASING child poverty (in a economy we are told is growing)?

Yes obviously parents have a responsibility, and as I have already said large families will have less to spend per child, but none of that explains why child poverty is increasing - does it?

The definition of poverty itself explains it. I lived in what is now deemed relative poverty all my formative years. As did lots of people but it wasn't labelled as such then. People in that situation now are deemed to be in relative poverty. It simply puts an emotive spin on things. What I do know was that no one was in absolute poverty and no one is now.

[Baz]

The definition of poverty itself explains it. I lived in what is now called relative poverty all my formative years. As did lots of people but it wasn't labelled as such then. People in that situation now are deemed to be in relative poverty. It simply puts an emotive spin on things. What I do know was that no one was in absolute poverty and no one is now.

So the money is better spent on giving a tax break?