[Archived] Birmingham Big Club v Rovers......7.45pm Tuesday 14th April

[T J Hooker]

Gestede played better than rhodes and brown!!! Sorry am i more missing something here, rhodes was on the score sheet wasnt he?

[Andyblue2]

yes, but I could have put that in with my .........

[chaddyrovers]

  On 15/04/2015 at 09:17, I.must.be.batty said:

Gestede played better than rhodes and brown!!! Sorry am i more missing something here, rhodes was on the score sheet wasnt he?

It was an easy goal.

I talking about how involved they were in the game, holding the ball, linking the play, how much of a threat were they,

[ABBEY]

  On 15/04/2015 at 09:17, I.must.be.batty said:

Gestede played better than rhodes and brown!!! Sorry am i more missing something here, rhodes was on the score sheet wasnt he?

buggers belief doesn't it it really really does.

Imagine if Rhodes played like Brown the haters would be suicidal.

[Parsonblue]

  On 15/04/2015 at 09:17, I.must.be.batty said:

Gestede played better than rhodes and brown!!! Sorry am i more missing something here, rhodes was on the score sheet wasnt he?

The keeper dropped the ball at his feet in front of goal. Apart from that he contributed as much as Brown. Gestede was the one who caused them problems.

[T J Hooker]

He was still in the right place at the right time though, thats the difference between a goalscorer and a plodder.

[G Somerset Rover]

  On 15/04/2015 at 09:40, Parsonblue said:

The keeper dropped the ball at his feet in front of goal. Apart from that he contributed as much as Brown. Gestede was the one who caused them problems.

Yet Gestede will no doubt be benched again on Sat with Browny favourited.

[jim mk2]

  On 15/04/2015 at 02:30, thenodrog said:

So effectively we can no longer 'dare to dream'. Swansea . WBA and West Ham must know their place too and it's definitely not in the top four! The only aim then for us should we ever scrape up is an annual relegation fight just to get the ever increasing pot of gold that competing in the Prem ensures. How does your anti capitalist, red hot socialist principles cope with that?

The Premier League is full-blown raw capitalism - and it doesn't work because it exists only for the benefit of the few at the top. Very much like the economy of this country over the past 30 years.

The irony is capitalist USA has a sports system that is communist - ie, all clubs (franchises) are equal - and it works.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 15/04/2015 at 09:50, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Yet Gestede will no doubt be benched again on Sat with Browny favourited.

I think Gestede will start

[mustard]

  On 15/04/2015 at 09:40, Parsonblue said:

The keeper dropped the ball at his feet in front of goal. Apart from that he contributed as much as Brown. Gestede was the one who caused them problems.

Gestede always looks more of a threat as he's able to compete with the ball in the air, which is where we play it 99% of the time. If we played the ball to Rhodes's feet and found him in the box I'm sure he'd contribute more.

Would maybe help if they cut out the strength training down Brockhall and worked on pace. Rhodes has certainly got slower (albeit stronger), as have a number of them.

[mustard]

  On 15/04/2015 at 05:39, Mattyblue said:

Get out of it gord. We've spent 3 seasons in our 140 year history in the 3rd tier.

In fact, we spent more of the 80s looking for promotion to the top flight than fighting relegation.

There is no doubt that off the field we have fallen way behind clubs that I have never thought were particulary 'bigger' than us, i.e Derby, but to make out our pre Jack history was something akin to Doncaster is rubbish.

Let's hope you get through to him. He seems to think our right full place is in League One. We're the 12th most successful club in English history yet the chap seems to have forgotten we won plenty of trophies before Uncle Jack.

[Parsonblue]

  On 15/04/2015 at 13:15, mustard said:

Let's hope you get through to him. He seems to think our right full place is in League One. We're the 12th most successful club in English history yet the chap seems to have forgotten we won plenty of trophies before Uncle Jack.

Before Jack we won the Full Members' Cup in 1988, the Third Division Championship in 1975, the Second Division Championship in 1938, the F.A. Cup 1928, two top flight Championships in 1912 and 1914 and five F.A. Cup between 1884 and 1891. In other words, periodically, over the course of a long and illustrious history the Rovers have won trophies and just like so many other clubs there are periods of success and periods when we've been less successful. Between 1936 and 1991 the Rovers natural home was the Second Division - apart from four seasons in the Third Division and ten seasons in the First Division. The Rovers have a proud history but, like all clubs, have no right to top flight football.

[yoda]

  On 15/04/2015 at 13:40, Parsonblue said:

Before Jack we won the Full Members' Cup in 1988, the Third Division Championship in 1975, the Second Division Championship in 1938, the F.A. Cup 1928, two top flight Championships in 1912 and 1914 and five F.A. Cup between 1884 and 1891. In other words, periodically, over the course of a long and illustrious history the Rovers have won trophies and just like so many other clubs there are periods of success and periods when we've been less successful. Between 1936 and 1991 the Rovers natural home was the Second Division - apart from four seasons in the Third Division and ten seasons in the First Division. The Rovers have a proud history but, like all clubs, have no right to top flight football.

Football clubs are judged on success on the pitch, 12th most successful English club, that says to me that is where we should be aiming as our natural and historical level, at least

[mustard]

  On 15/04/2015 at 13:40, Parsonblue said:

Before Jack we won the Full Members' Cup in 1988, the Third Division Championship in 1975, the Second Division Championship in 1938, the F.A. Cup 1928, two top flight Championships in 1912 and 1914 and five F.A. Cup between 1884 and 1891. In other words, periodically, over the course of a long and illustrious history the Rovers have won trophies and just like so many other clubs there are periods of success and periods when we've been less successful. Between 1936 and 1991 the Rovers natural home was the Second Division - apart from four seasons in the Third Division and ten seasons in the First Division. The Rovers have a proud history but, like all clubs, have no right to top flight football.

We've got Premier League facilities that require Premier League football to be sustainable. You might be perfectly happy with there prospect of continuing to haemorrhage millions, the potential sale of our assets and the impending fall into footballing obscurity but I'm not. Rovers need promotion asap.

[thenodrog]

  On 15/04/2015 at 05:39, Mattyblue said:

Get out of it gord. We've spent 3 seasons in our 140 year history in the 3rd tier.

In fact, we spent more of the 80s looking for promotion to the top flight than fighting relegation.

There is no doubt that off the field we have fallen way behind clubs that I have never thought were particulary 'bigger' than us, i.e Derby, but to make out our pre Jack history was something akin to Doncaster is rubbish.

Sorry to tick off your gormless army of likers but it's 5.

Also

Average attendances by year compared to Derby County.

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/derc.htm

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/blar.htm

So in the last 50 years we have averaged over 20k just 17 times and never once over 30k. Derby have averaged over 20k 29 times and 4 times over 30k. Nitpicking maybe but post Premier League attendance is the only thing that pays the bills.

Some people are going to learn some harsh lessons about our club before very long I'm afraid.

  On 15/04/2015 at 06:36, Rover_Shaun said:

How dare you burst the bubble on Gordon's latest anger marathon. Facts are strictly taboo

'Facts'? Sorry to prick your bubble but see my last post above and you'll find that as usual my opinion is correct. An apology is due I believe.

[thenodrog]

  On 15/04/2015 at 09:40, Parsonblue said:

The keeper dropped the ball at his feet in front of goal. Apart from that he contributed as much as Brown. Gestede was the one who caused them problems.

I realise that you were there and have the evidence of your own eyes as reference and that most opinion around here is based on either local radio of the LT but don't you know that you must never ever criticise the great JR in front of the Jordanettes!

  On 15/04/2015 at 10:30, jim mk2 said:

The Premier League is full-blown raw capitalism - and it doesn't work because it exists only for the benefit of the few at the top. Very much like the economy of this country over the past 30 years.

The irony is capitalist USA has a sports system that is communist - ie, all clubs (franchises) are equal - and it works.

It's the way forward for fairer and increased competition and the capitalist septics know full well that that means bums on seats and ringing tills. Our lot are just clueless and terrified of a G14 style breakaway so the prem is set up to provide a never ending supply of cannon fodder for the big clubs. tbh jim I really appreciate the unpredictability of the championship.

[thenodrog]

  On 15/04/2015 at 13:40, Parsonblue said:

Before Jack we won the Full Members' Cup in 1988, the Third Division Championship in 1975, the Second Division Championship in 1938, the F.A. Cup 1928, two top flight Championships in 1912 and 1914 and five F.A. Cup between 1884 and 1891. In other words, periodically, over the course of a long and illustrious history the Rovers have won trophies and just like so many other clubs there are periods of success and periods when we've been less successful. Between 1936 and 1991 the Rovers natural home was the Second Division - apart from four seasons in the Third Division and ten seasons in the First Division. The Rovers have a proud history but, like all clubs, have no right to top flight football.

Good post PB but pure speculation if we'd had in place the disastrous effects of the abolishment of the maximum wage, the effects of Bosman's Freedom of Contract and FFP since 1936 I think we'd have a much bleaker tale to tell.

  On 15/04/2015 at 15:03, mustard said:

We've got Premier League facilities that require Premier League football to be sustainable. You might be perfectly happy with there prospect of continuing to haemorrhage millions, the potential sale of our assets and the impending fall into footballing obscurity but I'm not. Rovers need promotion asap.

Nobody disputes that for goodness sake but there has also to be a Plan B and C in place.

[Rover_Shaun]

It was early in the morning when your comment was blown out of the water. But being relegated to the 3rd tier twice is hardly spending a considerable period flitting between those leagues. And that infinitesimal period can hardly be used to define and era. Unless it's to justify a flimsy premise of course

You really have got a bee in your bonnet against your fellow fan at the moment Gordon. Whilst Venkys seem to fly under your radar of hate. Hmmmm

[thenodrog]

  On 15/04/2015 at 15:59, Rover_Shaun said:

You really have got a bee in your bonnet against your fellow fan at the moment Gordon. Whilst Venkys seem to fly under your radar of hate. Hmmmm

Fellow fan? In your dreams. Unless I am mistaken you have told us that you no longer attend home matches.

[Rover_Shaun]

"Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her” John 8:1-11.

[Parsonblue]

  On 15/04/2015 at 15:03, mustard said:

We've got Premier League facilities that require Premier League football to be sustainable. You might be perfectly happy with there prospect of continuing to haemorrhage millions, the potential sale of our assets and the impending fall into footballing obscurity but I'm not. Rovers need promotion asap.

  On 15/04/2015 at 15:03, mustard said:

We've got Premier League facilities that require Premier League football to be sustainable. You might be perfectly happy with there prospect of continuing to haemorrhage millions, the potential sale of our assets and the impending fall into footballing obscurity but I'm not. Rovers need promotion asap.

We did when we got relegated in 48 and again in 66 but, as history has shown, there is a huge gulf between saying we need something and actually getting it. Nobody is happy with the present situation but many are realistic enough to know that improving it won't happen overnight. Until the embargo is lifted I would suggest that there is no chance of promotion and to lift that we will need to sell many of our assets who are on wages that simply cannot be sustained on our income levels. FFP is going to have an impact on our immediate future and we are going to have to live within our means for at least another season until the new regulations come in and might offer us some room to manoeuvre.

[yoda]

  On 15/04/2015 at 16:02, thenodrog said:

Fellow fan? In your dreams. Unless I am mistaken you have told us that you no longer attend home matches.

You are detracting from the one item that a football club is judged on, 12th most successful English club,

WE ARE THE ROVERS

[Mattyblue]

The Mattyblue Corps can stand down, so, five (or is it 4?) seasons out of the top two divisions in our history, that did not make us a 2nd/3rd division yo-yo club pre Jack.

As I said, we spent more time looking to get out of the 2nd tier the right way through the 80s than the trapdoor.

The sadly reduced BRFC of 2015 in comparison to Leeds (ten years out the top flight), Sheff Wed (15 years), Notts Forest (15 years), Sheff Utd (4 years in 3rd tier) has me resigned to a bleak future (a Dyche style season form nowhere, notwithstanding), but lets not re-write the past.

[broadsword]

Permission to like your post, Sir?

[Athlete]

  On 15/04/2015 at 09:17, I.must.be.batty said:

Gestede played better than rhodes and brown!!! Sorry am i more missing something here, rhodes was on the score sheet wasnt he?

Can't get my head around the Gestede love in yes the same Gestede who wanted away not to long ago.... JR is our best striker and most prolific 18 in a poor season his record speaks for itself