[Archived] Survey: Does Gary Bowyer have your backing?

[blueboy3333]

Ok. We get it. Nothing is Bowyer's fault. Therefore a couple of very simple questions for you to answer.

Ok. I get it. You struggle with people having a different opinion to you and therefore resort to making petulant comments like a 12 year old.

Do you want the very best for Blackburn Rovers football club?

see above

Do you believe Gary Bowyer is the very best manager we can recruit for the position at the club?

What you should have asked is 'do you think Venky's have the motivation or interest to go and get the best man for the job'. My answer would be a resounding 'no'. So until they show otherwise then Bowyer, who i think has done a good job, gets my support. Would i like someone better? Of course, who wouldn't. Is it going to happen? I hope so but i very very very much doubt it. If you'd been paying proper attention, and you do seem to respond to a lot of my posts in a caustic manner, then you'd know i've said a few times on here i would love to see Warburton given the job as they play inventive attractive football. Ignore FFP all you like, and most of you Bowyer-haters do, but would Warburton come to a club under an embargo? I very much doubt it.

If you had just lost 20+ million of your OWN money would you keep banging Bowyers drum and entrust him to lose another 20 million this season?

Such a ridiculous question on so many levels. You need to aim that one at venky's.

How many more seasons and how much more money would you be prepared to lose supporting him?

see above

How many years are you going to keep trotting out the line that it is everyones elses fault whilst we struggle against Rotherham?

I never mentioned Rotherham or that everything was everybody else's fault, but just to make myself clear, my post that you have responded to was a specific response to the point Toppers made about the value of players being unimportant. I was just putting what he said in context of how player valuations may be the thing that gets us out of an embargo. You seem to have missed that specific point and instead made some strange unrelated assumptions.

What targets do you think are realistic for Bowyer to be set?

How would i know? I don't know who is going to be sold or who is going to come into the club. But i will say that until we get some good midfielders, and i mean a Leadbitter, Pritchard or a Bradley Johnson, then i don't think we'll improve enough next season to reach the play-offs. We might if we get Mick McCarthy in as manager but that, again, is up to Venky's.

A final point so we don't have to go through this tedious rigmorole every time someone makes a post that isn't a diatribe against Bowyer:

I don't think Bowyer's the Messiah, he does make mistakes, if we could get a better manager then i'd be all for it, but i do think he's done a very good job of steering the club away from the very real threat of relegation, rebuilding the squad after the nightmare of Kean/Anderson and bringing in players that work hard for the club. For that i will always appreciate what he has done. If you can't understand why some fans think along those lines then you haven't been paying attention to what has happened at BRFC since Venky's turned up.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Oh here we go, Boro manager is now no better than Bowyer now I suppose. He can join Shteve, Big Mick etc. Useless the lot of em infact I don't know what Liverpool are playing at. Get rid of Rogers and get Gaz in

I'm just getting a bit tired of all the "if Gaz was like such-and-suchabody" boo-hooing, especially when we've been through about ten such-and-suchabodies as events prove them to be imperfect. The only person who thought Norwich's manager could get them up before he joined them was Norwich's chairman, so kudos to him, but 21 other chairmen in this division picked duds.

There is a pervasive self-pitying exceptionalism on here, as though we were the only set of fans landed with a manager not good enough. Personally I'd be more ticked off if I was a Derby fan and we'd gone from top to 7th in a few weeks or a 'Boro fan where the manager got thoroughly out-performed in their biggest game of the season, if not ever.

[mustard]

I'm just getting a bit tired of all the "if Gaz was like such-and-suchabody" boo-hooing, especially when we've been through about ten such-and-suchabodies as events prove them to be imperfect. The only person who thought Norwich's manager could get them up before he joined them was Norwich's chairman, so kudos to him, but 21 other chairmen in this division picked duds.

There is a pervasive self-pitying exceptionalism on here, as though we were the only set of fans landed with a manager not good enough. Personally I'd be more ticked off if I was a Derby fan and we'd gone from top to 7th in a few weeks or a 'Boro fan where the manager got thoroughly out-performed in their biggest game of the season, if not ever.

I'd argue that Ipswich and Brentford's chairmen didn't pick 'duds'.

[Waggy76]

Venkys and their stooges definately did !

[frosty]

a 'Boro fan where the manager got thoroughly out-performed in their biggest game of the season, if not ever.

Even though he took them from obscurity to the brink of automatic promotion (and then subsequently the play-off final) in just one full season?

And even McClaren, it went horribly wrong at the end but before that he'd got hold of Derby, smashed that glass ceiling of 8th/9th that was the limit for Clough and is for Bowyer, took them to the play-off final and they were in the top 2 for months this season. It was a huge collapse at the end though yep, and I think that would have continued next season if he'd have stayed.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Isn't the idea to get promoted? Three teams do it. We were nowhere near. I'd like to be nearer. Since loondom, we've been in a cocoon of mediocrity, with mounting debt that rises by the month, and steadydom. Yay, life is good at Ewood.

[DE.]

Derby removed McClaren because of his failure. Karanka took Boro from nowhere to the brink of promotion. They may not have made it, but there's no shame in losing to a Norwich team that had 11 players with PL experience starting the match.

All we're asking for is a manager with some experience and a playing style that may actually yield some rewards. Nobody's saying a change of manager will automatically get us into the promised land, but shouldn't we at least try? Where's the sense in keeping hold of a manager who couldn't do the job with the current squad and will only have a weaker one come the start of next season?

As oojw said, change nothing and nothing will change. It's extremely naive to believe that Bowyer will somehow come good with a weaker team. There's no strong justification for thinking that at all. We've finished mid-table with a 40+ goal strikeforce, for goodness sake. What happens when we don't have those goals anymore? Who's scoring them? Brown? Cairney? Lowe? Has Gary shown he has the nous in the free transfer/loan market to compensate for this?

We should be seeking to be proactive rather than reactive. Ditching Bowyer when we're already up the proverbial creek without a paddle isn't going to end well.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I'd argue that Ipswich and Brentford's chairmen didn't pick 'duds'.

The only goal is promotion, everyone else failed.

History has shown that managers and clubs don't often "push on" in this league, promoted teams come from everywhere: just relegated, just promoted, mid-table nowheres. Who would have predicted McLaren missing the playoffs and getting canned after coming so close last year?

We need a change but the notion you can find a manager likely to win promotion by some checklist is a fallacy in my view.

[Stuart]

We need a change but the notion you can find a manager likely to win promotion by some checklist is a fallacy in my view.

Of course you can. The key word is 'likely' as opposed to certainly. Look at Simon Grayson. He already had three promotions to his name. That made him more likely to do it - and he did.

Experience, know-how, bottle. If only.

[Athlete]

We need a change but the notion you can find a manager likely to win promotion by some checklist is a fallacy in my view.

Wrong if you don't try you'll never know

...We may as well twist cos at this rate were stagnating further with ever mounting debt

[Rover_Shaun]

So to sum up 13 pages nobody really backs Bowyer. They are prepared to tolerate him because they are wary of the replacement process and outcome?

[onlyonejackwalker]

Ok. We get it. Nothing is Bowyer's fault. Therefore a couple of very simple questions for you to answer.

Ok. I get it. You struggle with people having a different opinion to you and therefore resort to making petulant comments like a 12 year old.

Do you want the very best for Blackburn Rovers football club?

see above

Do you believe Gary Bowyer is the very best manager we can recruit for the position at the club?

What you should have asked is 'do you think Venky's have the motivation or interest to go and get the best man for the job'. My answer would be a resounding 'no'. So until they show otherwise then Bowyer, who i think has done a good job, gets my support. Would i like someone better? Of course, who wouldn't. Is it going to happen? I hope so but i very very very much doubt it. If you'd been paying proper attention, and you do seem to respond to a lot of my posts in a caustic manner, then you'd know i've said a few times on here i would love to see Warburton given the job as they play inventive attractive football. Ignore FFP all you like, and most of you Bowyer-haters do, but would Warburton come to a club under an embargo? I very much doubt it.

If you had just lost 20+ million of your OWN money would you keep banging Bowyers drum and entrust him to lose another 20 million this season?

Such a ridiculous question on so many levels. You need to aim that one at venky's.

How many more seasons and how much more money would you be prepared to lose supporting him?

see above

How many years are you going to keep trotting out the line that it is everyones elses fault whilst we struggle against Rotherham?

I never mentioned Rotherham or that everything was everybody else's fault, but just to make myself clear, my post that you have responded to was a specific response to the point Toppers made about the value of players being unimportant. I was just putting what he said in context of how player valuations may be the thing that gets us out of an embargo. You seem to have missed that specific point and instead made some strange unrelated assumptions.

What targets do you think are realistic for Bowyer to be set?

How would i know? I don't know who is going to be sold or who is going to come into the club. But i will say that until we get some good midfielders, and i mean a Leadbitter, Pritchard or a Bradley Johnson, then i don't think we'll improve enough next season to reach the play-offs. We might if we get Mick McCarthy in as manager but that, again, is up to Venky's.

A final point so we don't have to go through this tedious rigmorole every time someone makes a post that isn't a diatribe against Bowyer:

I don't think Bowyer's the Messiah, he does make mistakes, if we could get a better manager then i'd be all for it, but i do think he's done a very good job of steering the club away from the very real threat of relegation, rebuilding the squad after the nightmare of Kean/Anderson and bringing in players that work hard for the club. For that i will always appreciate what he has done. If you can't understand why some fans think along those lines then you haven't been paying attention to what has happened at BRFC since Venky's turned up.

12 year old, proper attention, caustic comments, bowyer hater, diatribe, petulance. Take a bow son

The reason I asked the questions purely relates to your continued, vociferous defence to critical comments aimed at Bowyer. Nothing more, nothing less. Whether they are deserved or otherwise, you seemingly go immediately into older brother protection mode in his defence. This confuses me as you clearly give the Rovers some thought, time and affort. Its worth remembering that Bowyer is not the only football manager out there and his role isnt rocket science. It is pretty clear to me that others could have easily achieved such basic objectives as mid-table mediocrity.

Your last paragraph is much more balanced. For simplicity puposes and to avoid a barrage of insults may I point out I simply want the best for the Rovers and although I supported the appointment of Bowyer initially, this was firstly for an immediate return to normality and an element of decency, secondly as Bowyer deserved his chance after helping keep us up and thirdly from the clubs point of view, purely to see if we had unearthed an unlikely gem from amongst all the madness.

It was clear within weeks Bowyer was no glistening Labrodite and had little idea how to set us up defensively. His initial choice of keeper and the problems that created destroying defensive confidecne amongst one and all highlighted what was to come in this area. A problem that still exists two years and counting. There are two nets on a pitch for a reason and until such time as Bowyer realises this and we focus on clean sheets we will have little chance of major progress.

In the abscence of anything concrete on his CV we can only judge as we find. The target was not 9th this year 333. Guaranteed, although I cannot prove it to you. A 9th place finish and 20+ points off automatic and 10+ points off the play-offs is a very poor return when taken in context against our facilities, squad size and monthly expenditure.

[Kamy100]

Hmmmmm maybe Mrs D is contemplating Gary's future after all.

He was due to go to Pune for his annual meeting 2 weeks ago, as of last night he still hadn't been invited over, in previous years this pre-arranged meeting has never been moved and has happened directly after the season had finished.

Mind you it could have course be nothing other than Mrs D being busy with other things.

[JHRover]

Interesting, though I would be very surprised if it was anything other than calendars and diaries being rearranged.

Perhaps Bowyer has been away on a long holiday these last few weeks and will be going out to India upon his return.

If though there is something going and his future is in question then why the wait?

[ABBEY]

#MRSDISBUSYDOING.....(insert what she is doing instead of chatting to our gazalater)

A naked jelly dance

[perthblue02]

#MRSDISBUSYDOING.....(insert what she is doing instead of chatting to our gazalater)

A naked jelly dance

To be fair Abbey she is the brains behind their core business, can imagine she only remembers that Rovers is part of the global empire when she steps in some Chicken s**t and tries to wipe it off her shoe

[Kamy100]

Interesting, though I would be very surprised if it was anything other than calendars and diaries being rearranged.

Perhaps Bowyer has been away on a long holiday these last few weeks and will be going out to India upon his return.

If though there is something going and his future is in question then why the wait?

Probably just diaries as you say, but if they were thinking about getting rid of him then even though he is on a 12 month rolling contract maybe in that contract there is some sort of review date?

[Tom]

We can but hope

[ABBEY]

Zzzzzzzam seen with Indian boarding pass...

or was it Indian takeaway menu

[tomphil]

Interesting, though I would be very surprised if it was anything other than calendars and diaries being rearranged.

Perhaps Bowyer has been away on a long holiday these last few weeks and will be going out to India upon his return.

If though there is something going and his future is in question then why the wait?

Come on we know full well the big D wouldn't be rescheduling because Gaz has gone to Margate for a few weeks. When her fingers click planes get boarded end of ! More likely she's re-mortgaging a bit more land so she can give him another 12 months.

[den]

You've done it now Kamy

[mhead]

So to summarise...Mrs D is a very good businesswoman but like nearly all on the Indian sub-Continent knows nothing about football and even less about the sordid,croney infested,old lags network that riddles our National game.

The Directors are an under-performing,dis-united mish-mash.

The Manager is over-promoted but at least we are in the same Division as he started.

The Players are a mix of over-paid offcuts from the immediate post-Premier years and average paid from the post-2013 reality/re-adjustment period.

In the circumstances 9th was a good result and but for a lucky save Baptiste's header might have gone in at Anfield.

Not mentioning the Fans/Crowd in this basic analysis.

As I buy my Season-ticket I will grit my teeth and say to myself that maybe by 2017 a crisis will have galvanised a re-formation of all this or the Venkys will have done one thing(maybe it needs only one person) to change all this.

Final comment: Can we have an Analysis of how many matches one or more of the Desai's have attended and what were the results. It must be P19,W02,D04,L13. Where is the pleasure for them?

[ABBEY]

So to summarise...Mrs D is a very good businesswoman but like nearly all on the Indian sub-Continent knows nothing about football and even less about the sordid,croney infested,old lags network that riddles our National game.

The Directors are an under-performing,dis-united mish-mash.

The Manager is over-promoted but at least we are in the same Division as he started.

The Players are a mix of over-paid offcuts from the immediate post-Premier years and average paid from the post-2013 reality/re-adjustment period.

In the circumstances 9th was a good result and but for a lucky save Baptiste's header might have gone in at Anfield.

Not mentioning the Fans/Crowd in this basic analysis.

As I buy my Season-ticket I will grit my teeth and say to myself that maybe by 2017 a crisis will have galvanised a re-formation of all this or the Venkys will have done one thing(maybe it needs only one person) to change all this.

Final comment: Can we have an Analysis of how many matches one or more of the Desai's have attended and what were the results. It must be P19,W02,D04,L13. Where is the pleasure for them?

yup...and they have not given us the respect to stay for a full match.

[Rover_Shaun]

Gaz deserves to go further than Margate. After all that fantastic play off push would have taken a lot out of him

[Mike E]

yup...and they have not given us the respect to stay for a full match.

Neither does half the ground