[Archived] Survey: Does Gary Bowyer have your backing?

[chaddyrovers]

Hasn't Gestede, Olsson, Conway all improve under Bowyer?

But some haven't tho.

[Amo]

“Look at the players we’ve got now and their current values compared to when we first brought them into the club."

“Look at the players we’ve got now and their current values compared to when we first brought them into the club."

“Look at the players we’ve got now and their current values compared to when we first brought them into the club."

“Look at the players we’ve got now and their current values compared to when we first brought them into the club.”

“Look at the players we’ve got now and their current values compared to when we first brought them into the club.”

Did you get that, Mrs. D?

[RevidgeBlue]

I'm confused. So that's Watford who had new managers in December 2013, August, September, and October 2014 then Middlesboro who have had the same boss since November 2013? Am I missing something?

I don't understand what you're getting at. Would you still not consider Karanka a relatively new boss having only been in situ for one full season plus the period from November in the season he took over?

Hasn't Gestede, Olsson, Conway all improve under Bowyer?

But some haven't tho.

Wouldn't say Conway has. He was very poor until Christmas imo.

[Waggy76]

Hasn't Gestede, Olsson, Conway all improve under Bowyer?

But some haven't tho.

Olsson and Gestede yes !

[Parsonblue]

Good to see the first excuse has already been sent across to team venkyscum .

Embargo excuse no.1 of the 15/16 season has been issued via today's venkygraph . Stablity ? My arse.

Hardly an excuse Abbey, merely a statement of fact. When transfer targets are offered more than £10,000 per week - stupid money I know - by other clubs the simple fact is that the Rovers won't be able to match those offers in money terms because of the restrictions of the embargo. Facts are facts whether we like them or not. Until the embargo is lifted the Rovers are going to be the poor relations in this division looking to pick up scraps that others don't want.

[tomphil]

Hardly an excuse Abbey, merely a statement of fact. When transfer targets are offered more than £10,000 per week - stupid money I know - by other clubs the simple fact is that the Rovers won't be able to match those offers in money terms because of the restrictions of the embargo. Facts are facts whether we like them or not. Until the embargo is lifted the Rovers are going to be the poor relations in this division looking to pick up scraps that others don't want.

er, ..Nottingham Forset ?

[Amo]

Hardly an excuse Abbey, merely a statement of fact. When transfer targets are offered more than £10,000 per week - stupid money I know - by other clubs the simple fact is that the Rovers won't be able to match those offers in money terms because of the restrictions of the embargo. Facts are facts whether we like them or not. Until the embargo is lifted the Rovers are going to be the poor relations in this division looking to pick up scraps that others don't want.

I'll say one thing, the club is saving a lot of money on PR by having you here, Parson.

[G Somerset Rover]

er, ..Nottingham Forset ?

Precisely - other clubs are smart enough to get around it.

[RevidgeBlue]

Hardly an excuse Abbey, merely a statement of fact. When transfer targets are offered more than £10,000 per week - stupid money I know - by other clubs the simple fact is that the Rovers won't be able to match those offers in money terms because of the restrictions of the embargo. Facts are facts whether we like them or not. Until the embargo is lifted the Rovers are going to be the poor relations in this division looking to pick up scraps that others don't want.

Whether or not that argument holds any water for next season it doesn't alter the fact that GB failed miserably over the last 2 seasons with a budget that must have compared extremely favourably with most other Championship Clubs.

[ABBEY]

And whose fault is that Parson ?

Did he not know the situation was/is a basket case ... If he doesn't feel he can do the job with what he has he should resign .

What about pre embargo when he didn't have that excuse he failed miserably then as well .

I'll say one thing, the club is saving a lot of money on PR by having you here, Parson.

That is so true

[K-Hod]

He's using FFP as an excuse now, yet he's had ample opportunity to bring in loads of his own players.

Must think we've all had a bang on the head....

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Look at the club's in the Championship next season,flush with cash,under no FFP embargo and looking to bounce back at first attempt.Every season spent in this league and it becomes harder and harder for BRFC to gain promotion...down the pecking order we spiral.

You are left looking for an inspirational Manager,Mr Motivator,a Leader of Men,Tactician.....Gary Bowyer?

If the aim of the Season is not Promotion then why the hell bother at all?

Feals we are losing the battle at Ewood.

[JBiz]

He's using FFP as an excuse now, yet he's had ample opportunity to bring in loads of his own players.

Must think we've all had a bang on the head....

Fact/excuse.

Wages go up, we can't pay them.

Also, has he or not already reduced the wage bill by xmillion a season. Wouldn't that negate this "ample opportunity" to sign tonnes of players on big wages?

Also, strangely enough we miss both parts of the story... Another FACT the club is blessed with stature and good facilities. Probably the only saving grace is that despite only being able to offer mid table champ wages, the other stuff will still have some pull.

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[blueboy3333]

He's using FFP as an excuse now, yet he's had ample opportunity to bring in loads of his own players.

Must think we've all had a bang on the head....

An excuse for what? He's just saying he can't compete in this transfer window with clubs in the Championship who can pay above £10k a week. That's it.

[Amo]

Look at the club's in the Championship next season,flush with cash,under no FFP embargo and looking to bounce back at first attempt.Every season spent in this league and it becomes harder and harder for BRFC to gain promotion...down the pecking order we spiral.

You are left looking for an inspirational Manager,Mr Motivator,a Leader of Men,Tactician.....Gary Bowyer?

If the aim of the Season is not Promotion then why the hell bother at all?

Feals we are losing the battle at Ewood.

Bowyer's proviso is to bring in players, develop them, and sell them on a profit. He can't shut up about the player's values. It's got to the point where such comments are decidedly Kean-esque.

What I wouldn't give for a manager whose primary motivation is to win football matches.

[ABBEY]

An excuse for what? He's just saying he can't compete in this transfer window with clubs in the Championship who can pay above £10k a week. That's it.

If he feels so strongly he should Jack then

[JBiz]

Kean-esque.

You can't have it both ways Topman. We are in debt up to our eyeballs and the wages are higher than income. Do you;

A, spend millions on old players like Murphy and Etuhu to get us out the league first go?

Or

B, get bargains that hopefully make a profit- because we all know that players who make a profit will be due to GOOD PERFORMANCES for example Rudy.

I know which one sounds more Kean Esque.

If he feels so strongly he should Jack then

Yea course. "My job is hard I should quit and take up moaning instead"

[blueboy3333]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/12969492.Gary_Bowyer__Blackburn_Rovers_will_be_priced_out_of_the_market_at_times_this_summer/?ref=mac

Here's the story for those who haven't read the article. Bowyer's bemoaning FFP (fair enough) and saying that players who come will have to come for the club/facilities/improvement rather than money (again, fair enough)

Damn him for trying to sell the club to potential recruits. Oh for those halycon days when we signed players like Best and Orr just because we could pay the biggest wages.

Bowyer's proviso is to bring in players, develop them, and sell them on a profit. He can't shut up about the player's values. It's got to the point where such comments are decidedly Kean-esque.

What I wouldn't give for a manager whose primary motivation is to win football matches.

strawman, as you like to say.

[Amo]

You can't have it both ways Topman. We are in debt up to our eyeballs and the wages are higher than income. Do you;

A, spend millions on old players like Murphy and Etuhu to get us out the league first go?

Or

B, get bargains that hopefully make a profit- because we all know that players who make a profit will be due to GOOD PERFORMANCES for example Rudy.

I know which one sounds more Kean Esque.

Yea course. "My job is hard I should quit and take up moaning instead"

That's a strange response.

Our transfer policy is not the bone of contention. It's the fact that Bowyer can't stop dropping the players values into the conversation when the majority of fans couldn't give a monkey's what our players are worth compared to results on the pitch. Just like Kean, Bowyer is manipulating the press to feed information back to Pune.

We are not some lower league feeder club like Crewe. We are Blackburn Rovers.

[blueboy3333]

If he feels so strongly he should Jack then

then you'd call him a quitter. He can't win with the likes of you

[roverandout]

May I add, looking at Gary monk, who has had less experience than bowyer in management has turned Swansea round in 1 season from relegation strugglers under laudrup, they lost their star striker, something which bowyer hasn't done, don't mention swansea being a better run club, its all relative, he has clearly got something which bowyer will never have, tactical acumen

[Parsonblue]

And whose fault is that Parson ?

Did he not know the situation was/is a basket case ... If he doesn't feel he can do the job with what he has he should resign .

What about pre embargo when he didn't have that excuse he failed miserably then as well .

That is so true

Basically, he's telling it as it is. At the end of the day he's done a decent job in my view. Not spectacular, but given the state of the club when he took over a decent job. Clearly he believes he can do the job but there is no harm spelling out the facts of life as it is now at Ewood as some are still are struggling to come to terms with where we are now. We all know what's gone on in the past but the past is the past. We can't change it and we can't alter it. We can only look to the future and at the moment that mean's operating with the tight restraints of the embargo and the wage cap it puts on us. Whatever Bowyer says some will find fault. If he is replaced any new manager will get the same response the moment they fly to India to meet their employers. As you so often say Abbey, haters gonna hate!

[Stuart]

You can't have it both ways Topman. We are in debt up to our eyeballs and the wages are higher than income. Do you;

A, spend millions on old players like Murphy and Etuhu to get us out the league first go?

Or

B, get bargains that hopefully make a profit- because we all know that players who make a profit will be due to GOOD PERFORMANCES for example Rudy.

I know which one sounds more Kean Esque.

Yea course. "My job is hard I should quit and take up moaning instead"

How about stop rewarding failure? The person digging the hole is being absolved of all blame whilst still digging it deeper!

"We're going to give you this spade but watch out for that great big gas pipe down there."

Dig, dig, dig.

"Look out you're going to go through the gas pipe!"

BOOM!!

"Ah, well, we are where we are - carry on."

[blueboy3333]

That's a strange response.

Our transfer policy is not the bone of contention. It's the fact that Bowyer can't stop dropping the players values into the conversation when the majority of fans couldn't give a monkey's what our players are worth compared to results on the pitch. Just like Kean, Bowyer is manipulating the press to feed information back to Pune.

We are not some lower league feeder club like Crewe. We are Blackburn Rovers.

i'm sure they know what the results on the pitch are, and what the players are worth.

Also, if selling Gestede for £7m gets us out of the embargo then i'm sure 'most fans' will be delighted. If it does then buying Gestede for £250k and selling him for £7m becomes very important. It's a lot easier getting results when you're able to spend a little money on players...Gestede, again, being the perfect example. Whether you like or not we've been hamstrung in the last two windows by only being able to bring in the likes of Brown and Varney, while other clubs in our league have spent big money. This summer will probably be even worse. Try blaming the people responsible (Kean/ Anderson/Venky's) for lumbering the club with overpaid dross and a transfer embargo, rather than blaming the man who has had to pick up the pieces.

[blueboy3333]

May I add, looking at Gary monk, who has had less experience than bowyer in management has turned Swansea round in 1 season from relegation strugglers under laudrup, they lost their star striker, something which bowyer hasn't done, don't mention swansea being a better run club, its all relative, he has clearly got something which bowyer will never have, tactical acumen

you're comparing an established prem club with millions to spend to a club under embargo in the Championship with debts of £80m? Laughable

Good comparison though in other ways. Monk took over a team in relegation and the season after they finished top 10. Just like Bowyer.