[Archived] Season 2015/16 Discussion

[onlyonejackwalker]

The whole attendance/non-attendance thing is pish. You might as well close the Premier League thread while you're at it. What right do Rovers fans have to comment on any team they don't watch live on a regular basis?

Exactly. And International games. And the cricket. Some like to present the 'superfan' image for reasons unclear and unknown.

[Amo]

Just steam straight in and insult the poster, who deserves a degree more respect.

Like your first post in this thread?

[mustard]

Wasn't sure where to post this but as we are looking towards the new season and are unsure as to whether we will have either of our front two still playing for us next year, I thought I'd post it here.

Here are links to all Rhodes and Gestede's goals from this season.

Rudy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaYXvNHpFPs

Rhodes:

Needless to say, most of Rudy's goals come from being a powerhouse in the air, whilst most of Rhodes's come from great movement/finishing. Also JR creates a good number out of nothing with no one within 20 yards of him and chips in with a decent number of headers.

It does make me wonder whether Rudy would get found out at Prem level where it wouldn't be as easy to bully defenders in the air.

[den]

Both played against Liverpool. Gestede caused them plenty of problems, while Rhodes caused them none.

[Pedro]

I know it's greedy because they have scored bucketloads of goals but I wish Rhodes and Gestede would link up more and provide for each other. I like strike partnerships to do that.

..probably too late for that now to be honest.

[tomphil]

Wasn't sure where to post this but as we are looking towards the new season and are unsure as to whether we will have either of our front two still playing for us next year, I thought I'd post it here.

Here are links to all Rhodes and Gestede's goals from this season.

Rudy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaYXvNHpFPs

Rhodes:

Needless to say, most of Rudy's goals come from being a powerhouse in the air, whilst most of Rhodes's come from great movement/finishing. Also JR creates a good number out of nothing with no one within 20 yards of him and chips in with a decent number of headers.

It does make me wonder whether Rudy would get found out at Prem level where it wouldn't be as easy to bully defenders in the air.

Rhodes goals make a mockery of the view some like to take that he just stands about in the middle and taps em in

Rudy I think will do ok in the Prem as there's always a need for his type in any squad. A bit like Steven Fletcher he can prove valuable just coming on from the bench later in games etc.

[Gav]

Both played against Liverpool. Gestede caused them plenty of problems, while Rhodes caused them none.

Rhodes service against Liverpool was absolutely pathetic, but he still did more than Sterling.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Both played against Liverpool. Gestede caused them plenty of problems, while Rhodes caused them none.

Agreed. Rhodes was in fact one of the reasons Liverpool scored. Has Rhodes ever scored against a PL team?

[mustard]

Agreed. Rhodes was in fact one of the reasons Liverpool scored. Has Rhodes ever scored against a PL team?

Only reason Gestede looks more useful against Prem teams is he gets his noggin on some of the balls hoofed up to him. Don't get me wrong, he usually flicks it onto no one, but he does get on the end of it more than Rhodes. However, Rhodes is by far the more intelligent player and deals much better with balls into feet.

Rhodes goals make a mockery of the view some like to take that he just stands about in the middle and taps em in

Rudy I think will do ok in the Prem as there's always a need for his type in any squad. A bit like Steven Fletcher he can prove valuable just coming on from the bench later in games etc.

Yeah, if anyone has the benefit of balls ricocheting into his path for open goals it's Rudy, not to mention a few scuffs and deflections that find their way in. Not taking it away from him, just think Rhodes gets an undue amount of stick on here, especially considering his movement is second to none. He never got criticised when his goals singlehandedly kept us up in 12/13, he's just looked poor with the balls aimed at his eyeballs this year, something which falls on Bowyer if you ask me.

[den]

Rhodes service against Liverpool was absolutely pathetic, but he still did more than Sterling.

You're getting confused Gav. The question wasn't about who scored, the question was about who could cause a PL team most problems. Rhodes caused them no problems whatsoever, while Gestede gave them problems all afternoon at their place. Nothing to do with "service" .

[mustard]

You're getting confused Gav. The question wasn't about who scored, the question was about who could cause a PL team most problems. Rhodes caused them no problems whatsoever, while Gestede gave them problems all afternoon at their place. Nothing to do with "service" .

Tbf Den, when we play how we do under Bowyer, of course Gestede is going to cause more problems. We didn't get close to creating any meaningful chances near the box, where Rhodes thrives. The only problems Gestede caused was he won some of the balls hoofed up to him. That was it. He's a 6'5 forward so of course he looks a better player in this respect, however if we actually got the ball in the box then Rhodes would cause twice the problems due to his movement. Put Rhodes in a half-decent Prem team and he'd cause any defence problems, but he is of course dependent on service. Pumping it up to him with a 6'4 defender up his backside brings out the worst in him, something Bowyer specialises in. He still managed over 20 goals though.

[tomphil]

Watching those back it just shows the kind of service Rhodes needs to thrive on i.e balls threaded through in front of him. For a guy with no pace he doesn't half spring defences consistently. If we had someone threading balls through to him from midfield and we actually tried playing that way a bit more often he'd get even more goals.

[ABBEY]

It's been a while since we had some Rhodes hate wait till browny is up top on his own

[mustard]

Watching those back it just shows the kind of service Rhodes needs to thrive on i.e balls threaded through in front of him. For a guy with no pace he doesn't half spring defences consistently. If we had someone threading balls through to him from midfield and we actually tried playing that way a bit more often he'd get even more goals.

Funnily enough, we hear about how Rhodes has no pace no height no strength and yet he contributes variety of goals from both springing defences and winning headers as well as out-muscling and out-working centre halves. Been hearing all season how much slower he is than Rudy but I can only recall one goal where Rudy outruns a defender. Maybe that's because he's a touch lazier and lacks the movement of Rhodes?

[LewisF]

Funnily enough, we hear about how Rhodes has no pace no height no strength and yet he contributes variety of goals from both springing defences and winning headers as well as out-muscling and out-working centre halves. Been hearing all season how much slower he is than Rudy but I can only recall one goal where Rudy outruns a defender. Maybe that's because he's a touch lazier and lacks the movement of Rhodes?

Which goal might that be? (In reference to Gestede)

[tomphil]

Funnily enough, we hear about how Rhodes has no pace no height no strength and yet he contributes variety of goals from both springing defences and winning headers as well as out-muscling and out-working centre halves. Been hearing all season how much slower he is than Rudy but I can only recall one goal where Rudy outruns a defender. Maybe that's because he's a touch lazier and lacks the movement of Rhodes?

Rhodes also gets stick for not running the channels yet neither does Rudy. In the modern game stats play a big part and I'd wager if we saw the stats for the two of them over the season for an equal amount of mins played Rhodes would come out on top. As you've said though Rudy catches the eye more because of his size and the fact he gets his head to more balls.

[RevidgeBlue]

I think Rhodes is a much better and more intelligent player than Gestede but the constant comparison between the two of them by the Rhodes bashers is getting extremely wearisome.

It's like complaining about the difference between a Rolls Royce and a Bentley when the rest of the squad or fleet comprises of Austin Allegros.

[West Yorks Rover]

Watching those back it just shows the kind of service Rhodes needs to thrive on i.e balls threaded through in front of him. For a guy with no pace he doesn't half spring defences consistently. If we had someone threading balls through to him from midfield and we actually tried playing that way a bit more often he'd get even more goals.

Maybe someone like Dunny, who now it seems was fit for large parts of last season, but GB chose not to use.

[thenodrog]

Well promotion is off the cards because of Bowyer's tactical inability,

Really? Tactical ability comes second in my book. I see promotion being off the cards in the main because the squad is no way good enough. As far as I am concerned there is not one player in the squad who would even come close to getting a place on the bench of the 200/2001 promotion team let alone starting a match. And that lot only came 2nd!

FFP's embargo will simply see it get even worse.

[T J Hooker]

Agreed. Rhodes was in fact one of the reasons Liverpool scored. Has Rhodes ever scored against a PL team?

how many times has he played against one?

Rhodes goal scoring record speaks for itself

[ABBEY]

For once I agree with you ..

[thenodrog]

Not taking it away from him, just think Rhodes gets an undue amount of stick on here, especially considering his movement is second to none. He never got criticised when his goals singlehandedly kept us up in 12/13, he's just looked poor with the balls aimed at his eyeballs this year, something which falls on Bowyer if you ask me.

Jeez! That is precisely JR's weakness. If you want an example of a proper centre forward at work just remember the performance of Danny Ings down here last season.

Tbf Den, when we play how we do under Bowyer, of course Gestede is going to cause more problems. We didn't get close to creating any meaningful chances near the box, where Rhodes thrives. The only problems Gestede caused was he won some of the balls hoofed up to him. That was it. He's a 6'5 forward so of course he looks a better player in this respect, however if we actually got the ball in the box then Rhodes would cause twice the problems due to his movement. Put Rhodes in a half-decent Prem team and he'd cause any defence problems, but he is of course dependent on service. Pumping it up to him with a 6'4 defender up his backside brings out the worst in him, something Bowyer specialises in. He still managed over 20 goals though.

tbh I doubt we'll ever get a chance to test your theory.

Rhodes also gets stick for not running the channels yet neither does Rudy. In the modern game stats play a big part and I'd wager if we saw the stats for the two of them over the season for an equal amount of mins played Rhodes would come out on top. As you've said though Rudy catches the eye more because of his size and the fact he gets his head to more balls.

Maybe someone like Dunny, who now it seems was fit for large parts of last season, but GB chose not to use.

I'd have preferred Dunny supplying King who was apparently also fit much of the time and under utilised.

[Mike E]

For once I agree with you ..

Get a room, jeez!

[ABBEY]

TJ and abbey sitting in a tree ....

[Amo]

For once I agree with you ..