[Archived] To Keep Gestede/Rhodes or Not

[Athlete]

I thought he was a Chester fan?

Dunno but he was a lot better..

Too many with Everton links in and around Ewood these days I wonder if degsy has any scouse connections from his PKE days we know managers and coaching staff ended up on Merseyside from PKE

[ABBEY]

He blocked me ..haha

[Jimmy612]

As my work PC blocks quoting (it thinks this is a dodgy-ish website) I would like to point out that Ads £21m figure includes fees and wages and his £750k average figure per player is wages

£750k works out at £5208 a week on a 3 year deal which is possibly undervaluing quite a few players earnings.

£21m to flounder on the road to nowhere. No wonder the debt is only going up

Which of the players brought in have completed a 3 year contract? I thought we were doing a spent so far, not spent as long as all players play for the club for three years and including all possible clauses including add-ons for promotion?

Am I therefore to believe that Ad's estimations are right at the top of what has been spent?

Think I asked a while ago for a more thorough breakdown of spending - it's all very vague for people (like yourself) to be jumping all over it and stating with FACT that Bowyer has indeed spent £21m.

Also wouldn't mind seeing an average spend of the following clubs;

Bolton

Cardiff

Notts Forest

Boro

Derby

Wigan

Norwich

Brum

Fulham

Any other club anyone requests

Then perhaps the figure can actually have some relevance

[Athlete]

He blocked me ..haha

Doubt he was the only one to block you .

I suppose being a reporter is difficult has even if you side with the fans you can't bite the hand that feeds you especially at local level

[K-Hod]

What for abbey??

[roverzee]

Dunno but he was a lot better..

Too many with Everton links in and around Ewood these days I wonder if degsy has any scouse connections from his PKE days we know managers and coaching staff ended up on Merseyside from PKE

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[Athlete]

Boring Repetitive Fruit Cakes Conspiracies . com

No conspiracy there just a possible link ..As for fruit cakes were did you pop up from

A lot of people in any industry have links and those links/connections can be very useful have you never heard of networking

We all use a form of networking for one reason or another to get certain positions certain jobs it's business

[roverzee]

If you seriously think that Newsquest are making appointments based on what football team someone in the Ewood boardroom supports, you need to get straight to the doctors and have your paranoid glands checked.

[Athlete]

If you seriously think that Newsquest are making appointments based on what football team someone in the Ewood boardroom supports, you need to get straight to the doctors and have your paranoid glands checked.

😁 there's nowhere have I said newsquest or whoever would employ someone due to whoever someone in the boardroom supports have I zeberdee?

Regarding football supporting if a fan of any club is on trial no one on a jury who Is a fan of the same club can serve ..

The above is just an example of supporting the same club ..

Have a Good day zeberdee

[ABBEY]

What for abbey??

God knows can't remember ... One blockage blurs into another

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If you seriously think that Newsquest are making appointments based on what football team someone in the Ewood boardroom supports, you need to get straight to the doctors and have your paranoid glands checked.

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[tomphil]

To be fair to Wheelbrace whenever he's commented on Rovers on the radio he's been pretty good and well clued up. Better than some of the misery's they have co-commentating sometimes. He does recently seem to be going overboard on the propaganda line in the LT. Mind you they'll never be as bad as the PNE Post.

[den]

Is it true his signings total 29?

[Parsonblue]

I thought he was a Chester fan?

Paul is an Evertonian. However, as a professional journalist he covers which ever team the paper he is working for cover. He got the Telegraph gig because he applied and has a decent background in sports journalism in terms of writing for local papers. Seeing things through a neutral eye gives him a different perspective on things than folk like us who have been Rovers all our lives. On the occasions I've spoken to him I've always found him to have a good knowledge of the game and he has, at least, tried to immerse himself in the club's history.

[Mike E]

My point from earlier was, regardless of GB excuses (which I'm growing tired of myself), if you're going to include wages and bonuses paid in the amount of spend compared to other clubs, you have to do the same for other clubs in the same time frame. I don't see what's unreasonable about that?

Changing manager doesn't change previous spending.

[adsfortheblues]

If you believe we've spent 21m on new players since GB took over, you must be living under a rock.

All figures bar 1 have been below the 750k average.

Duffy for example cost us 300k upfront and the rest after promotion- good deal IMO. Conway, Gestede, cairney and Evans all cost less than 500k each and then the rest are pretty much frees.

The money we got for Rochina, Formica, Dann, Olsson and a few others has paid for all the money signings we've made.

The figure isn't just 'transfer fees' it includes wages, signing on fees, of which are aplenty for all the freebies, loan signing fees, additional add on fees to agreed fees paid upfront. Think about it £724,000 on average across the 29 players is only £13k per week, so the figure is highly likely a lot more, but I wanted to try and make it as less as possible.

Look at Duffy for example £1.5mil possible fee total, £15k per week, that's £2.28mil over last 12 months. That's £43k per week, wen divided by 52, over the last 12 months (I know that's not his wage per week but it's his total cost over last 12 months when divided weekly). So £13k per week average is fairly plausible mate

[JBiz]

Paul is an Evertonian. However, as a professional journalist he covers which ever team the paper he is working for cover. He got the Telegraph gig because he applied and has a decent background in sports journalism in terms of writing for local papers. Seeing things through a neutral eye gives him a different perspective on things than folk like us who have been Rovers all our lives. On the occasions I've spoken to him I've always found him to have a good knowledge of the game and he has, at least, tried to immerse himself in the club's history.

* insert 1 line dismissive reply from same poster *

[JBiz]

The figure isn't just 'transfer fees' it includes wages, signing on fees, of which are aplenty for all the freebies, loan signing fees, additional add on fees to agreed fees paid upfront. Think about it £724,000 on average across the 29 players is only £13k per week, so the figure is highly likely a lot more, but I wanted to try and make it as less as possible.

I'd say 13k was about the maximum not an average in terms of those 29 signings. Wasn't DJ Campbell the last 10k plus contract we signed?

[ABBEY]

Paul is an Evertonian. However, as a professional journalist he covers which ever team the paper he is working for cover. He got the Telegraph gig because he applied and has a decent background in sports journalism in terms of writing for local papers. Seeing things through a neutral eye gives him a different perspective on things than folk like us who have been Rovers all our lives. On the occasions I've spoken to him I've always found him to have a good knowledge of the game and he has, at least, tried to immerse himself in the club's history.

He told me when I emailed him over sticking up for Jean he was a Chester fan .

[adsfortheblues]

I'd say 13k was about the maximum not an average in terms of those 29 signings. Wasn't DJ Campbell the last 10k plus contract we signed?

Shane Duffy, Cairney, Evans, killa, Conway and Marshall all on more than £10k per week pal. That's why bowyer making such a big issue of it, as hardly any player wil sign for under that in championship, he's right to be fair.

My point from earlier was, regardless of GB excuses (which I'm growing tired of myself), if you're going to include wages and bonuses paid in the amount of spend compared to other clubs, you have to do the same for other clubs in the same time frame. I don't see what's unreasonable about that?

Changing manager doesn't change previous spending.

Yes you're right pal. I have no issue with that mate, think people just narked because he's stated he's had no money to spend, when he has had a bit to spend

[den]

My point from earlier was, regardless of GB excuses (which I'm growing tired of myself), if you're going to include wages and bonuses paid in the amount of spend compared to other clubs, you have to do the same for other clubs in the same time frame. I don't see what's unreasonable about that?

Changing manager doesn't change previous spending.

Who cares about the unknown costs? If it's true that Bowyer has been backed in signing 29 players, - how the hell can anyone put forward that he's been hard done to? It's a daft argument. The owners didn't force him to sign 2 full teams plus another 7 players over the past couple of seasons. He's asked for each and every one of them and he's been backed all the way.

Question to those who think he's been hard done by, - how many more players will he need to get us out of this league?

[JBiz]

Shane Duffy, Cairney, Evans, killa, Conway and Marshall all on more than £10k per week pal. That's why bowyer making such a big issue of it, as hardly any player wil sign for under that in championship, he's right to be fair.

I'd like to see some concrete facts like but I gather they are difficult to find. I honestly thought 10k a week was high for players in this league, especially for teams who don't have parachute payments. I would've expected our average wage to be more like 5/10k.

For instance, I doubt the likes of Spurr, Brown, Williamson would command much more than 6/8k a week with never really playing top flight whereas I'd expect Killa or Cairney to be at the top of what we can pay - 10-12k!

[adsfortheblues]

Who cares about the unknown costs? If it's true that Bowyer has been backed in signing 29 players, - how the hell can anyone put forward that he's been hard done to? It's a daft argument. The owners didn't force him to sign 2 full teams plus another 7 players over the past couple of seasons. He's asked for each and every one of them and he's been backed all the way.

Question to those who think he's been hard done by, - how many more players will he need to get us out of this league?

Taylor, Judge, Eastwood, Green, Campbell, Kilgallon, Marrow, Spurr, Evans, Songo'o, Tumwa, Marshall, Mahoney, Brown, Varney, Duffy, Baptiste, Steele, Tunnicliffe, Spearing, Henry, Paul Taylor, Kane, Cairney, Gestede, Conway, Dabo, Keane and Feeney.

Signing success what would you say mate?

I would rate 10 of them as a success, in terms of quality, performance and useage. For example I wouldn't pick Tunnicliffe because he rarely played him. So 34% on transfers, 1 every 3 or so. Other people may differ, what do people think??

I'd like to see some concrete facts like but I gather they are difficult to find. I honestly thought 10k a week was high for players in this league, especially for teams who don't have parachute payments. I would've expected our average wage to be more like 5/10k.

For instance, I doubt the likes of Spurr, Brown, Williamson would command much more than 6/8k a week with never really playing top flight whereas I'd expect Killa or Cairney to be at the top of what we can pay - 10-12k!

Oh yeah, I agree mate, the ones on more than £10k are only just over that by a couple of thousand or so.

[ABBEY]

* insert 1 line dismissive reply from same poster *

Amazing .. You moaned about 1 line insults and then insult someone who you wasn't even chatting with . Your a class act .

[JBiz]

Amazing .. You moaned about 1 line insults and then insult someone who you wasn't even chatting with . Your a class act .

Did I say it was you? Nope, but you managed to oblige anyway. I merely suggested it would happen and it did.

Plus you also quoted me earlier for not reading any of Jals post because of an insult on the first line. It wasn't a one line post. Only you seem to be able to get away with quoting whole posts and replying with one dismissive sentence.

To borrow a famous Abbeyism, stop following me around, I'm not interested in you fella, I like women.

[tomphil]

Did I say it was you? Nope, but you managed to oblige anyway. I merely suggested it would happen and it did.

Plus you also quoted me earlier for not reading any of Jals post because of an insult on the first line. It wasn't a one line post. Only you seem to be able to get away with quoting whole posts and replying with one dismissive sentence.

To borrow a famous Abbeyism, stop following me around, I'm not interested in you fella, -- I like women. --

Unlike the real Bazza then