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oh yes the Great Cellino who has been banned from running the club for the second time.

People have moaned in the past that Venkys are too involved and don't allow Shaw or Myers to do their job. At present it appears that the Rovers owners leave them to manage and run the club for them. you cant have it both way MM can you?

Funny that your mention Stability

Former Leeds head coach Neil Redfearn has said:-

"I don't want to comment too much on what's happening, but to build anything or to create anything you need stability"

"It's probably frustrating for Uwe because he will have had his plans and put things in place as did I last year and got them to a certain situation where you think you can take them on.

"But they do it as they want to do it.

Chaddy, you can't manage a club like Rovers from 5,000 miles away.

You need to put a talented Exec. Management team in place and give them real authority to make decisions and run the club.

We had a talented Exec. Management team in place when Venky's bought the club and they fired them all off !

We now, IMV, have stooges in place with no authority otherwise I think Bowyer would now be toast.

Don't kid yourself, real decision making resides in Pune.

I think Rovers are a shambles from top to bottom across the board and, IMV, are probably the most under-managed organisation I have known in my working life.

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oh yes the Great Cellino who has been banned from running the club for the second time.

People have moaned in the past that Venkys are too involved and don't allow Shaw or Myers to do their job. At present it appears that the Rovers owners leave them to manage and run the club for them. you cant have it both way MM can you?

Funny that your mention Stability

Former Leeds head coach Neil Redfearn has said:-

"I don't want to comment too much on what's happening, but to build anything or to create anything you need stability"

"It's probably frustrating for Uwe because he will have had his plans and put things in place as did I last year and got them to a certain situation where you think you can take them on.

"But they do it as they want to do it.

1. Do you think Shaw has any real power?

2. If he did, do you really think he'd sack his pal Bowyer?

All very 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' down at Ewood. I don't think Shaw has any real control at BRFC and even if he did, I don't think he'd use it to any benefit but his own. The only time Shaw would look to get Bowyer sacked would be if it was to cover his own back.

EDIT: RE the stability. We've had plenty of 'stability' under Bowyer and results have declined since his caretaker spell. He still makes dodgy selections, still makes dodgy subs, still leaves certain positions void of cover, the defence hasn't improved and the players continue to pick up niggly injuries left, right and centre. Look up Einstein's definition of insanity, Chaddy. Expecting Bowyer to turn the bunch of losers (albeit talented losers) into winners is waiting for a miracle. It won't happen. The players aren't winners under the current stewardship and until they get the Brockhall Holiday Camp mentality drilled out of them, it will never change.

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Chaddy, you can't manage a club like Rovers from 5,000 miles away.

You need to put a talented Exec. Management team in place and give them real authority to make decisions and run the club.

We had a talented Exec. Management team in place when Venky's bought the club and they fired them all off !

We now, IMV, have stooges in place with no authority otherwise I think Bowyer would now be toast.

Don't kid yourself, real decision making resides in Pune.

I think Rovers are a shambles from top to bottom across the board and, IMV, are probably the most under-managed organisation I have known in my working life.

Liverpool owners manage their club from Boston which is over 3000 miles away just for an example

I agree we had a great management team in place when the current owners took over but we know what happened there tho do we?

What type of work are you in that qualified you to say words like " the most under-managed organisation I have known in my working life"?

cos in the past you have said Venkys wouldn't keep funding the club but so far they have and Also keep Rhodes at the club after you have said several times he would leave.

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... if he's any sense he will get a FA approved agent and a football investment fund to run the club, the FL didn't seem to have a problem with that.

What ever could you mean Perth on a Rovers messageboard?

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Liverpool owners manage their club from Boston which is over 3000 miles away just for an example

I agree we had a great management team in place when the current owners took over but we know what happened there tho do we?

What type of work are you in that qualified you to say words like " the most under-managed organisation I have known in my working life"?

cos in the past you have said Venkys wouldn't keep funding the club but so far they have and Also keep Rhodes at the club after you have said several times he would leave.

Chaddy - compare Shaw with John Williams and tell me what qualifies Derek to be mentioned in the same breath.
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where did I ever mention Shaw and John Williams in the same breath? I didn't.

Wasn't having a pop.

You're having a go at MM for criticising the executive management team. You where at the Q & A, did you hear anything reassuring from Myers and especially Shaw? All everyone I have spoken to, or seen post was that, at best, there was some platitudes.

In reality I don't think you would find a person running a multi-million pound business running up tens of millions of debt a year, who couldn't answer simple questions about the finances, I never have.

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Wasn't having a pop.

You're having a go at MM for criticising the executive management team. You where at the Q & A, did you hear anything reassuring from Myers and especially Shaw? All everyone I have spoken to, or seen post was that, at best, there was some platitudes.

In reality I don't think you would find a person running a multi-million pound business running up tens of millions of debt a year, who couldn't answer simple questions about the finances, I never have.

firstly, I have asked a Mercerman a question and NOT having a go?

secondly, I enjoyed the Q and A evening, Thought Myers answered question well and Thought Bowyer was good.

thirdly, maybe the structure of the club is like this, Shaw is in charge of the Football admin side of the club, Cheston is in charge of the finances, Myers the sales and Communication side of the club and Bowyer the footballing side of the club. with each man reporting to the Mrs D with her making the key decisions.

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firstly, I have asked a Mercerman a question and NOT having a go?

secondly, I enjoyed the Q and A evening, Thought Myers answered question well and Thought Bowyer was good.

thirdly, maybe the structure of the club is like this, Shaw is in charge of the Football admin side of the club, Cheston is in charge of the finances, Myers the sales and Communication side of the club and Bowyer the footballing side of the club. with each man reporting to the Mrs D with her making the key decisions.

You are having a go at MM, why else would you be bringing up Rhodes and Venkys still funding the club?

Regarding Myers - he spoke eloquently, but didn't actually answer people's points/ questions in my, and most other people's, opinions.

If Shaw is in charge of the admin side of the club, he's incapable "have you ever read a contract?", "i was assured the clause was in there" excuses just in relation to the Berg contract.

However Shaw is the Managing Director of the club, that means he should know, as a minimum, the top-line financial numbers - because the decisions he makes should always be made in relation to those. The owners he states want promotion - I have no confidence that Derek Shaw has The ability to deliver that.

Regarding GB I thought he came over well, and better than I expected, however he thinks we have only had 3 poor halves in the past 2 seasons. If he cannot admit the truth, that is a real worry. The fans aren't thick, and I understand that he may see some things differently, and wants to back his players, but if everyone is doing so well, trying so hard etc then why are we floundering in the lower reaches?

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Leeds fans are (rightly) annoyed at the chop and changing approach.

The appointment of Evans is another cheap appointment that's likely to go wrong IMO.

Like Rovers, Leeds need a long term plan, proper structure and management, an experienced and proven manager and some serious discussions, appeasement etc with the fans.

Staying out of the headlines for the wrong reasons is at least something we've managed for a bit!

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Wasn't having a pop.

You're having a go at MM for criticising the executive management team. You where at the Q & A, did you hear anything reassuring from Myers and especially Shaw? All everyone I have spoken to, or seen post was that, at best, there was some platitudes.

In reality I don't think you would find a person running a multi-million pound business running up tens of millions of debt a year, who couldn't answer simple questions about the finances, I never have.

Shaw is a total ninkumpoop. In normal circumstances completely unsuitable for the position.

As a nodding dog however he is perfect. It's important we understand just how badly the owners have had their pants pulled down whilst owning and running this club. Zillions. I'd laugh if it wasn't our club. They are so gormless. Everyone has had a piece. Anyway, they now needed someone to act as a token figurehead and do as they were told, without question or opinion. Zero relevant input. Just like his role at PNE whilst Baxi were in charge. Nicknamed Penfold back then as he bumbled about. Shaw is perfect for the role the Rao's require. Quite an astute recruitment the more I think about it. Who else is thick skinned enough to go rogue and take it up the jacksy like he did?

Cellino has been done for not paying enough VAT on an imported yacht and a Range Rover. Two seperate incidents. It's small beans when you think of the cash required to own and run football clubs. Almost an accounting oversight. Cant see it sticking.

We tried the five managers per season tactic, glad Leeds are having a go as well. More and more clubs are going down that route.

Some right old tosh in this division. Poor quality fare. Everyone capable of beating everyone. It's a shame we have at no time tried to maximise our chances of success following relegation. A succession of over promoted wannabees trying to learn on the job. I find that a tad frustrating and hard to compute.

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Preston are 2 up now ...good that Bolton are now losing though ..

Charlton are so poor and one of my relegation favourites.

Charlton at home was one of our two wins this season out of 12 games and that says it all - if you can't beat Charlton at home then you might as well board Ewood up.

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