[Archived] The Championship 2015-2016

[AllRoverAsia]

I wonder if QPR get so out of Tune that Fernandes does a flyer.

[roverandout]

Please take a chance qpr, I will pay his taxi fare

[davulsukur]

Always going to happen, with the squad they have and the position they are in the league Ramsey was doing a p*ss poor job.

[Stuart]

Track record of mid table Stuart- that points to safety.

I like JHR's post - lots of it is subjective, for example id argue changing to mclaren was an expensive mistake and then going for clement (not a manager) could also be the same. I'd count leeds as a basket case example also!

The main thing is the clubs who have kicked on made the right appointments! It's a huge point to ignore the chance we may get another chancer!

Midtable with a top 6 squad is failure, Joe.

[whatdial]

Midtable with a top 6 squad is failure, Joe.

Not sure rovers have a top 6 squad. Strikers yes, couple of creative players like Conway and Marshall, but the defence and keepers aren't top 6

[JBiz]

Midtable with a top 6 squad is failure, Joe.

Our squad may have cost as much as one of the top clubs when he came in, but in terms of quality? Not in my opinion.

We have a decent first team with a great CB, and one of best strikers in league. Problem is it's paper thin in certain areas so consistency would require no suspensions or injuries.

[Mike E]

Our squad may have cost as much as one of the top clubs when he came in, but in terms of quality? Not in my opinion.

We have a decent first team with a great CB, and one of best strikers in league. Problem is it's paper thin in certain areas so consistency would require no suspensions or injuries.

Paper-thin squad isn't much of an excuse for me, especially because of two things:

1. The demand for quality over quantity (as most clubs have).

2. The fact that promoted clubs tend to play roughly the same first elevens most weeks, eliminating the 'thin squad excuse'.

[Neal]

Track record of mid table Stuart- that points to safety.

I like JHR's post - lots of it is subjective, for example id argue changing to mclaren was an expensive mistake and then going for clement (not a manager) could also be the same. I'd count leeds as a basket case example also!

The main thing is the clubs who have kicked on made the right appointments! It's a huge point to ignore the chance we may get another chancer!

What's the logic there though? We could go into administration or further financial difficulties whilst in this league or league 1 or league 2... This is a league you need to get out of to make your clubs financial future stable and season after season we're getting in more and more trouble. It certainly isn't a league you want to stabilise in unless you have a league 1 or 2 wage bill... Which we don't. Totally illogical but we are owned by Venkys... The very definition of backwards.

[DE.]

We have a decent first team with a great CB, and one of best strikers in league. Problem is it's paper thin in certain areas so consistency would require no suspensions or injuries.

Which begs the question of why Bowyer has stockpiled 13 centre midfielders but no cover for right back, where we are now playing a midfielder.

[blueboy3333]

Which begs the question of why Bowyer has stockpiled 13 centre midfielders but no cover for right back, where we are now playing a midfielder.

the midfielder is the cover at right back because he can play there. Lowe is the other option when fit. Problem is our first choice right-back is probably not up to it/out of form/ or has lost form confidence after MK Dons.

We probably need a new 1st choice right-back. Not easy getting a good one when your under an embargo. Maybe next summer, in the same way that we finally got a couple of CM's this summer when Akpan and Guthrie became available on free's.

Rebuilding a whole football club isn't going to be done over a few transfer windows especially when you can't spend any money.

13 CM's is a bit OTT. We've probably only got 3 good un's (Guthrie, Evans & Akpan) with 2 average ones's (Lowe and Willo) and a couple of untested ones (Peschi and Lenihan). Players like O'Sully and Taylor are not CM's.

Willo will be off next summer and i think Evans contract is up soon? The continual churn of players is pretty common in the Championship. Not many players worth giving 4-year contracts to.

[JBiz]

Plus BB- many pointed out we lacked any real quality in CM last year so we needed different options! No point moving goalposts now saying we should've spent those wages elsewhere!

We also can only sign players in certain circumstances - how many other "top 6 sides" (I'm talking those who've finished there, not in there for a week or two) have those limitations?

[OJRovers]

Our squad may have cost as much as one of the top clubs when he came in, but in terms of quality? Not in my opinion.

We have a decent first team with a great CB, and one of best strikers in league. Problem is it's paper thin in certain areas so consistency would require no suspensions or injuries.

Bowyer had the best midfielder in the league (by most measures) on his hands on much lower money than Evans etc, but he didn't play him then let him go on a free.

Alan Judge created more goals than any other midfielder in the league this last season. Imagine if he had Rudy/Rhodes to feed. Bowyer should be judged on this error, he's probably worth a couple of million now and is being linked with a move to the premiership. Do Venkys know this fact? Do they care?

[perthblue02]

FootballLeagueWorld ‏@FLeagueWorld 20m20 minutes ago

BREAKING: Nottingham Forest are lining up Nigel Pearson as the man to replace Dougie Freedman. #NFFC

[JHRover]

FootballLeagueWorld ‏@FLeagueWorld 20m20 minutes ago

BREAKING: Nottingham Forest are lining up Nigel Pearson as the man to replace Dougie Freedman. #NFFC

In a couple of weeks when QPR, Forest and probably Fulham have hoovered up all the top out of work managers then we'll be back to the situation where there is nobody proven out there to bring to Rovers. If reports are true and people within the Venkys organisation are looking at different managers and want promotion then they have to act immediately. But they won't. They'll muck about for months, wait for all our rivals to act and then it will be too late.

As someone said on the other threat, if Forest can afford to sack Freedman and his staff and then bring in someone like Pearson then there is no reason we couldn't do the same.

The suggestion that as a bottom half club, or as a club losing a lot of money, or as a club under an embargo, or a club run by a clueless owner, couldn't attract a decent manager is nonsense. Forest are a basket case under an embargo also.

[Stuart]

Not sure rovers have a top 6 squad. Strikers yes, couple of creative players like Conway and Marshall, but the defence and keepers aren't top 6

Our squad may have cost as much as one of the top clubs when he came in, but in terms of quality? Not in my opinion.

We have a decent first team with a great CB, and one of best strikers in league. Problem is it's paper thin in certain areas so consistency would require no suspensions or injuries.

Past tense, gentleman. But his start to the season must also be added to his list of failures, since the change in board stabilised the club.

We are now a decent second striker and a creative midfielder / right back away from having a top 6 squad now.

Just think what he'll do with a top-half-of-the-table squad, or a bottom-half-of-the-table squad - because that's where we are heading under his steer. He is not a wheeler dealer and doesn't have the contacts to operate successfully under our constraints.

Continuing with Bowyer is as much, if not more, of a gamble as bringing in somebody new. The only real gamble in twisting is whether Venkys will hire someone better, not if there is anyone better out there. The rub though, is that they hired Bowyer...

[JHRover]

Huddersfield have confirmed David Wagner as their new head coach.

Lets see how many Liverpool players they get on loan.

[arbitro]

Huddersfield have confirmed David Wagner as their new head coach.

Lets see how many Liverpool players they get on loan.

That, I feel is a very brave appointment by Huddersfield. They could crash and burn but I think Wagner might just get something extra from the players through coaching and tactics. One to watch with interest.

[joey_big_nose]

Past tense, gentleman. But his start to the season must also be added to his list of failures, since the change in board stabilised the club.

We are now a decent second striker and a creative midfielder / right back away from having a top 6 squad now.

Just think what he'll do with a top-half-of-the-table squad, or a bottom-half-of-the-table squad - because that's where we are heading under his steer. He is not a wheeler dealer and doesn't have the contacts to operate successfully under our constraints.

Continuing with Bowyer is as much, if not more, of a gamble as bringing in somebody new. The only real gamble in twisting is whether Venkys will hire someone better, not if there is anyone better out there. The rub though, is that they hired Bowyer...

To be honest I would say the only significant addition we need is another goalscoring striker. I think Henley and Marshall are fine for RB, and Guthrie offers enough in the centre creativity wise (if he stays fit).

[G Somerset Rover]

Still lacking goals, big time, in the middle of the park. Despite having a few decent options there now in Akpan, Evans and Guthrie, not one of them will contribute with more than a couple per season.

[JBiz]

... since the change in board stabilised the club.

...

I disagree with your post and that's fine, that's opinion!

The part I left in though sums up the main difference. The owners/board stumbled on a reserve team coach hired years ago.

With nowhere left to turn the current managing staff stabilised the club through results and good transfer business.

Not the change of board. In my opinion, nothing's changed in that respect it may as well be anyone when the main decision makers are thousands of miles away.

[DE.]

Still lacking goals, big time, in the middle of the park. Despite having a few decent options there now in Akpan, Evans and Guthrie, not one of them will contribute with more than a couple per season.

Which is why we need Marshall further up the pitch, as he's shown in the past he can contribute to the goals scored column. He's a lot less likely to do that playing at right back.

[Stuart]

I disagree with your post and that's fine, that's opinion!

The part I left in though sums up the main difference. The owners/board stumbled on a reserve team coach hired years ago.

With nowhere left to turn the current managing staff stabilised the club through results and good transfer business.

Not the change of board. In my opinion, nothing's changed in that respect it may as well be anyone when the main decision makers are thousands of miles away.

Come on mate. That's just obtuse.

The stability at Rovers started when Singh and Agnew exited stage left.

But taking the point of your post then you have to agree that Bowyer can't be credited with bringing stability either.

[Ricky]

At what stage do the daily mirror come out and accuse QPR of being racist for sacking Ramsey??

[K-Hod]

At what stage do the daily mirror come out and accuse QPR of being racist for sacking Ramsey??

Behave, they're based in London!

[JHRover]

At what stage do the daily mirror come out and accuse QPR of being racist for sacking Ramsey??

BBC have already got it covered. Within hours of the sacking Kick it out were on the case. For some reason the colour of his skin is an issue when he gets sacked yet wasn't when he was appointed. Nothing to do with them being 13th in the league despite spending millions and having a strong squad. I don't see why they can't stick to the football rather than get political about things. He got an opportunity that he probably didn't really deserve in the first place and has a 20odd percent win record. Hasn't worked out and he deserves the sack.