[Archived] The Championship 2015-2016

[donnermeat]

Might be a bit out of leftfield , but is anyone wondering what a fully fit Lowe under the guidance of Lambert (i.e having all the boreya influence knocked out of him) will be like.

He could possibly do a lot of the work that Barton is doing for that lot, breaking up play, hassling opponents midfield etc obviously would need a decent ball player alongside him. Still youngish so hopefully can be moulded by a decent manager

Be a first time for everything, breaking up play.

[tomphil]

Might be a bit out of leftfield , but is anyone wondering what a fully fit Lowe under the guidance of Lambert (i.e having all the boreya influence knocked out of him) will be like.

He could possibly do a lot of the work that Barton is doing for that lot, breaking up play, hassling opponents midfield etc obviously would need a decent ball player alongside him. Still youngish so hopefully can be moulded by a decent manager

I'd really love that to be the case and despite the bits of stick I've given him I'd love him to go on and be a proper player for us but I just don't see him being any different to be honest. What you see is what you get with him and he's another one a tad like Henley whos development was hindered by being thrust in too soon by the conman.

When you think that Kean and Bowyer have been coaching him at a crucial stage when he was young it's no wonder he struggles with the basics. A spell on loan playing every week and cutting his teeth in the lower leagues would have done him a world of good as well. Still time for him of course but I think ability wise the die is cast.

Maybe just maybe he could be made into a proper right back but I wouldn't have him there ahead of Marshall these days.

[Stuart]

Might be a bit out of leftfield , but is anyone wondering what a fully fit Lowe under the guidance of Lambert (i.e having all the boreya influence knocked out of him) will be like.

He could possibly do a lot of the work that Barton is doing for that lot, breaking up play, hassling opponents midfield etc obviously would need a decent ball player alongside him. Still youngish so hopefully can be moulded by a decent manager

It's a nice idea and we shouldn't write anyone off but Lowe isn't anywhere near Barton. He's not even in 'poor man's' territory.

Lambert and Irvine will need to teach him how to tackle, close down, pass forwards and stop dropping deep. The last one is tactical and probably doable, although Lowe will have to fight his instincts. The other three are purely down to Lowe.

He is a squad player to bring on for the last 5 or 10 minutes when leading by two or three goals to keep the ball and close out a game.

[Commondore]

Might be a bit out of leftfield , but is anyone wondering what a fully fit Lowe under the guidance of Lambert (i.e having all the boreya influence knocked out of him) will be like.

He could possibly do a lot of the work that Barton is doing for that lot, breaking up play, hassling opponents midfield etc obviously would need a decent ball player alongside him. Still youngish so hopefully can be moulded by a decent manager

Hopefully his time on the sidelines hasn't affected him too much. Missing almost an entire season as a 24 year old could be seriously bad news for his development.

[DE.]

At 24 Lowe is unlikely to get much better than he already is. Lambert may be able to get a bit more out of him, but the brutal truth is we need much better than him if we are to progress as a club. Also worth noting Lambert has been unable to improve any of the players he inherited to any noticeable degree. Lenihan is obviously the exception but he was held down by GB and not really integrated into the team until PL arrived.

Hanley and Duffy had been playing well before Lambert arrived. Marshall had been played at RB by GB earlier in the season and looked good there. None of the others have shown any improvement and the likes of Rhodes, Olsson and Taylor have been moved on entirely. I imagine Conway and hopefully Henley will soon follow them, amongst many others. Lambert's successes have mainly been from the players he's brought in as opposed to those he's inherited, so for that reason I wouldn't hold out too much hope of seeing a new and improved Jason Lowe. There's a greater chance he'll be flogged in the summer to raise funds imo, though I'm not sure how much he's worth or who would buy him.

[Veevs]

At 24 Lowe is unlikely to get much better than he already is. Lambert may be able to get a bit more out of him, but the brutal truth is we need much better than him if we are to progress as a club. Also worth noting Lambert has been unable to improve any of the players he inherited to any noticeable degree. Lenihan is obviously the exception but he was held down by GB and not really integrated into the team until PL arrived.

Hanley and Duffy had been playing well before Lambert arrived. Marshall had been played at RB by GB earlier in the season and looked good there. None of the others have shown any improvement and the likes of Rhodes, Olsson and Taylor have been moved on entirely. I imagine Conway and hopefully Henley will soon follow them, amongst many others. Lambert's successes have mainly been from the players he's brought in as opposed to those he's inherited, so for that reason I wouldn't hold out too much hope of seeing a new and improved Jason Lowe. There's a greater chance he'll be flogged in the summer to raise funds imo, though I'm not sure how much he's worth or who would buy him.

Please don't throw around comments like "Also worth noting Lambert has been unable to improve any of the players he inherited to any noticeable degree", that is simply your opinion not a statement of fact.

From my own perspective and player stats, I disagree with you no end, Duffy and Hanley (especially) have improved considerably under PL, Spurr is naturally flawed with a lack of pace, Marshall is back on form but always unpredictable, Lenihan has become someone most Blackburn fans have been raving about as a real prospect, Steele has not noticeably improved imo and as for the rest they have been shipped or sidelined which I believe is the right way to go about it.

As for Lowe, god knows what Lambert can or will be able to do with him, Bennett was a right winger (who had been shifted to right back) who could not get a game, Graham could not score and had been moved to the wing, Watts manager wanted him out, Gomez was doomed under Sam (though has not performed for the last three matches).. When Lowe started out for Rovers we all had high hopes, he worked hard, tackled hard and could occasionally pass, seemed like a raw defensive midfielder with potential to me anyway.. then well he had it trained/scared/played out of him. Personally do not think he will make it, I doubt a manager like PL will risk gambling on such an injury prone player who has gone down hill in most peoples opinions from the age of 20/21.

[K-Hod]

I'd have to also disagree with DE's comment. Marshall has looked completely revitalised at rb under PL, and certainly far better than he did when playing in that position under Bowyer!!

I'd have to also say that while Hanley and Duffy looked good, they've come on leaps and bounds under the new manager as well! (All IMO of course).

[arbitro]

I'd have to also disagree with DE's comment. Marshall has looked completely revitalised at rb under PL, and certainly far better than he did when playing in that position under Bowyer!!

I'd have to also say that while Hanley and Duffy looked good, they've come on leaps and bounds under the new manager as well! (All IMO of course).

I honestly believe that we have seen improvements in some players, particularly Hanley and Duffy but a lot of this is simply down to them being fitter. Hanley looks slimmer, quicker and sharper. His timing and reading of the game is far better, probably due to his mental sharpness. Him an Duffy are far from the finished article but if they keep improving under a really good manager they could both play in the Premier League.

[DE.]

Didn't Marshall only play at RB (quite well as I recall) a few times under GB? I could be totally wrong on that one. If people think Hanley and Duffy have improved then that's fine, but they were playing well before, too.

The point wasn't that Lambert has or hasn't improved our better players, rather, which poor players has he made significantly better? I wouldn't put Marshall, Hanley or Duffy in that category. I'm looking at the likes of Henley, Spurr (often cited as our weak link, so is he really better?), Akpan, Williamson, Taylor, Brown, Delfouneso, and so on. Players like Rhodes, Conway and Olsson seemed to regress or falter under PL for whatever reason.

Before anyone gets upset I am not slating Lambert for the above or blaming him. All I'm saying is that the above players are probably limited to the point where a proper management structure can't really improve them, or in some cases can actually make them worse. To that end, what chance is there of Lowe improving to any noticeable degree? I'd say it's unlikely.

PL needs a full rebuild of this team, as the vast majority of the current crop simply aren't up to scratch regardless of the coaching they're receiving.

[islander200]

Didn't Marshall only play at RB (quite well as I recall) a few times under GB? I could be totally wrong on that one. If people think Hanley and Duffy have improved then that's fine, but they were playing well before, too.

The point wasn't that Lambert has or hasn't improved our better players, rather, which poor players has he made significantly better? I wouldn't put Marshall, Hanley or Duffy in that category. I'm looking at the likes of Henley, Spurr (often cited as our weak link, so is he really better?), Akpan, Williamson, Taylor, Brown, Delfouneso, and so on. Players like Rhodes, Conway and Olsson seemed to regress or falter under PL for whatever reason.

Before anyone gets upset I am not slating Lambert for the above or blaming him. All I'm saying is that the above players are probably limited to the point where a proper management structure can't really improve them, or in some cases can actually make them worse. To that end, what chance is there of Lowe improving to any noticeable degree? I'd say it's unlikely.

PL needs a full rebuild of this team, as the vast majority of the current crop simply aren't up to scratch regardless of the coaching they're receiving.

Has klopp made any of the Liverpool players better?Lambert isn't a miracle worker,as you say we need a re-build.I don't get your point tbh,as a team we are improving..Lambert is slowly changing the mentality of the squad and getting them fit enough to play the style he wants.Improving individuals takes time,let's see where we are after pre season eh

[DE.]

Has klopp made any of the Liverpool players better?Lambert isn't a miracle worker,as you say we need a re-build.I don't get your point tbh,as a team we are improving..Lambert is slowly changing the mentality of the squad and getting them fit enough to play the style he wants.Improving individuals takes time,let's see where we are after pre season eh

My point is simply don't expect a new and improved Jason Lowe. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Veevs]

My point is simply don't expect a new and improved Jason Lowe. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's fair enough, doubt any of us are expecting that tbf, when it comes to injuries the poor chap makes Dunn look unbreakable and gives Sturridge a run for his money.

[gumboots]

Film reference there?

[chaddyrovers]

Steve Evans set to be sack by Leeds United

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3504750/Massimo-Cellino-set-sack-Steve-Evans-Leeds-United-head-coach-lines-foreign-alternative-replace-Scot.html …

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/502944/Leeds-head-coach-Steve-Evans-sacked-Massimo-Cellino

[MCMC1875]

Steve Evans set to be sack by Leeds United

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3504750/Massimo-Cellino-set-sack-Steve-Evans-Leeds-United-head-coach-lines-foreign-alternative-replace-Scot.html …

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/502944/Leeds-head-coach-Steve-Evans-sacked-Massimo-Cellino

Why did he appoint him?

[VinjayV4]

Why did he appoint him?

Why is Cellino...Cellino?

Now there's a question...

[Norbert Rassragr]

I wonder who will be Cellino's 17th manager since he's superstitious about that number................................?

[JHRover]

Not even a maniac like Cellino would appoint Steve Kean. Dave Hockaday yes, Neil Redfearn yes, but ex-Premier League manager and cup winning Singapore league manager who rejected Mourinho who wanted him as his assistant? No.

[perthblue02]

Not even a maniac like Cellino would appoint Steve Kean. Dave Hockaday yes, Neil Redfearn yes, but ex-Premier League manager and cup winning Singapore league manager who rejected Mourinho who wanted him as his assistant? No.

Oh I don't know Cellino seems a businessmen who likes bending the rules, if a certain managers agent could put together a nice group of people with the sole purpose of fleecing a club with full FA approval (lots of free lunches )and the money visiting many exotic places that may appeal to him, only priviso is his client gets to play at being a football manager in a proper league. No questions asked from the "pundits" on the payroll and the fans demonised for complaining, lots of lovely tax free cash offshore , win win

[m1st]

Has klopp made any of the Liverpool players better?Lambert isn't a miracle worker,as you say we need a re-build.I don't get your point tbh,as a team we are improving..Lambert is slowly changing the mentality of the squad and getting them fit enough to play the style he wants.Improving individuals takes time,let's see where we are after pre season eh

In conversation with Liverpool fans [while reminding 'em they've still not won the Premier League, of course! ] recently, I've been drawing comparisons with the work of Klopp & Lambert this season: finding out about the players at their disposal; sorting out the wheat from the chaff; and, in our case, bringing players who the manager feels can do a job for him better than what he inherited.

[tomphil]

Somehow though Steve Kean, Cellino and Leeds Utd are a perfect fit. It would be interesting to watch that lot turn on him.

[VinjayV4]

Somehow though Steve Kean, Cellino and Leeds Utd are a perfect fit. It would be interesting to watch that lot turn on him.

He really would need that bodyguard there.

[gumboots]

Why didnt this thread carry a health warning about unsavoury content. I return from a week away, open what looks like an innocent thread and there is keans face looking at me. There shouldbe a warning for those of a nervous disposition

[VinjayV4]

Why didnt this thread carry a health warning about unsavoury content. I return from a week away, open what looks like an innocent thread and there is keans face looking at me. There shouldbe a warning for those of a nervous disposition

Maybe I should put a disclaimer as a signature for my pic of Phil Jones. Though ironically that's the only pic of him I like! Ferguson isn't exactly blessed for looks either...

[gumboots]

It's not looks. I've sat next to luke chadwick! Its Kean! I have a picture of him someone sent me that I keep under lock and key. I wouldn't inflict it on anyone, and certainly not on myself but I can't bring myself to destroy it. It's a reminder of a very funny story that I may have shared with some on here.