[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 2

[Baz]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3160849/Arsenal-midfielder-Serge-Gnabry-wanted-West-Brom-bid-sign-QPR-s-Matty-Phillips-ends-failure.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

From the above article (incoming transfer news shocker from DM):-

Everton face a battle to hold onto striker Chris Long who impressed on loan at Brentford last season. The 20-year-old scored four goals in ten games for the Championship side and is keen to leave Everton to play more regularly.

Blackburn are understood to be among those interested.

They are in need of strikers but are restricted by their transfer embargo and can only sign free transfers or loans.

Sheffield Wednesday are poised to make an offer for Blackburn winger Ben Marshall. Rovers have already told Brighton that Marshall is not for sale after they offered £1.5m.

Fail to see how we can 'battle' Everton if we can't even make a bid for him. They'd literally have to give him to us, even if out of contract he'd cost us via a tribunal.

[Doaksie]

On Marshall, I genuinely believe him when he says he has no desire to leave, certainly not to a club a distance from the North-West area. For much the same reasons as to why he wanted to move to the area on leaving Leicester. I'm led to believe he has personal reasons which played a big part in him joining Rovers initially. That's not to say, of course, that Venky's won't sell him of their own hazardous accord, but he will not want to be moving to the South coast, or Sheffield for that matter.

[Stuart]

There is more to this team than JR, I can't fall into the trap of thinking that.

His goals have impacted our fortune in one way or another, but it's impossible to know how it would have gone if we hadn't had him.

Firstly, it generally takes more than one to make the chance, it certainly takes more than one to defend a lead. Secondly, you never know- we could have played a different way with just Rudy or king that gained better results. Can't prove either view.

He certainly is one of the best players of recent times though if not my favourite since Samba.

When Bowyer first took over Rhodes goals were what saved us from relegation. I'm in absolutely no doubt about that.

[Blueandwhitemike]

He did mention looking for a striker with pace to replace King, so that's something.

He also he didn't want to keep the players on trail for too long as it's not fair. (Didn't he do that with Songo? Maybe he felt guilty and that's why he got a contract)

What concerned me is that he seems to have given up on promotion (perhaps sensible) and just talked about players' values again.

It's good to hear him laugh off Brighton's bid, if Marshall goes it sounds like they'd be looking for similar to Cairney or more... but still.

Also, if I heard correctly, he said players will want to come here because they've seen players improve and they can get moves to the premier league... not get there with us... Did I get that wrong?

[blueboy3333]

Fail to see how we can 'battle' Everton if we can't even make a bid for him. They'd literally have to give him to us, even if out of contract he'd cost us via a tribunal.

The wording of the article is ridiculous, but then it is the DM. The 'journalist' who wrote it has already sold Gestede 14 times this summer.

[ABBEY]

He did mention looking for a striker with pace to replace King, so that's something.

He also he didn't want to keep the players on trail for too long as it's not fair. (Didn't he do that with Songo? Maybe he felt guilty and that's why he got a contract)

What concerned me is that he seems to have given up on promotion (perhaps sensible) and just talked about players' values again.

It's good to hear him laugh off Brighton's bid, if Marshall goes it sounds like they'd be looking for similar to Cairney or more... but still.

Also, if I heard correctly, he said players will want to come here because they've seen players improve and they can get moves to the premier league... not get there with us... Did I get that wrong?

he also said top 6 or top 2 .

[gumboots]

He did mention looking for a striker with pace to replace King, so that's something.

He also he didn't want to keep the players on trail for too long as it's not fair. (Didn't he do that with Songo? Maybe he felt guilty and that's why he got a contract)

What concerned me is that he seems to have given up on promotion (perhaps sensible) and just talked about players' values again.

It's good to hear him laugh off Brighton's bid, if Marshall goes it sounds like they'd be looking for similar to Cairney or more... but still.

Also, if I heard correctly, he said players will want to come here because they've seen players improve and they can get moves to the premier league... not get there with us... Did I get that wrong?

no I heard that too and commented on it to my husband. Of course, that might be how you have to put it to players at the moment but if enough buy into that then you just might find yourselves promoted anyway.

[Rover_Shaun]

Also, if I heard correctly, he said players will want to come here because they've seen players improve and they can get moves to the premier league... not get there with us... Did I get that wrong?

A question for Gary regarding improving players. "Which player you signed has moved up to the Premier League under your stewardship?"

As we have seen with Sterling transfer fees can bear no resemblance to actual ability.

It can be argued that any of our player improvents is down to those players just getting more game time? Cairney was surplus at Hull hence his value to them was low. At Ewood he got more minutes on the pitch, so ergo he seemed to improve markedly. Marshall was an inconsistant winger with some talent hence he cost us One Million Pounds. Today he is an inconsistant winger with some talent. Gestede was nowhere at Cardiff and can rightly be hailed as a player who stock has risen markedly at Ewood. Is that down to some coaching revolution or just that he got a proper run of games and a few crosses that suit his game? Though even now the queue of clubs banging on his door is thin.

The rest haven't improved. Hanley has regressed. Lowe is still Lowe. Evans is a crab. Killgallon is still a jobbing centre back and Duffy has a lot to prove if he can stay fit. Spur was a solid if unspectacular full back before he arrived and he still is. Even Olssons improvement is more down to the club catastrophically tumbling down to his level. Rhodes was £8m and scored goals at this level. He still does so he has maintained his level. As pointed out by many his overall game has not improved and Premierleague suitors are thin on the ground.

So really it's just a long winded way of asking "Just who are these players that have justified your assertation that players can improve at Ewood and get moves to the Premier League?"

[Kamy100]

Gary had been hoping to tie up a couple of deals by now but at the moment he and the rest of the club are STILL waiting to hear back from the owners about whether they are allowed to sign players.

It is frankly ridiculous that we seem to be back in a situation where the decision making in Pune takes an age, 18 months ago decisions were being quickly but looks like we are back to dithering in Pune. In our position where we are scrabbling around in the bargain basement/loan market we need to be able to make decisions quickly as otherwise we will lose out on players.

[ABBEY]

You sound shocked ? Why ?

[Athlete]

Gary had been hoping to tie up a couple of deals by now but at the moment he and the rest of the club are STILL waiting to hear back from the owners about whether they are allowed to sign players.

It is frankly ridiculous that we seem to be back in a situation where the decision making in Pune takes an age, 18 months ago decisions were being quickly but looks like we are back to dithering in Pune. In our position where we are scrabbling around in the bargain basement/loan market we need to be able to make decisions quickly as otherwise we will lose out on players.

Do you wonder why this is ?

[Gav]

Gary had been hoping to tie up a couple of deals by now but at the moment he and the rest of the club are STILL waiting to hear back from the owners about whether they are allowed to sign players.

It is frankly ridiculous that we seem to be back in a situation where the decision making in Pune takes an age, 18 months ago decisions were being quickly but looks like we are back to dithering in Pune. In our position where we are scrabbling around in the bargain basement/loan market we need to be able to make decisions quickly as otherwise we will lose out on players.

Its no surprise Kamy, a few of us called it last week, thanks for confirming it.

As you say in our position we need to act quickly to sign up the best of the bargains, Venkys clearly couldn't care less and we'll end up with the rubbish thats left and if anyone thinks Bowyer can make those into playoff contenders they're sadly mistaken.

I don't want to sound like my mate Mercer, but worst case scenario is Gestede, Rhodes and Marshall leave, which is a real possibility and we end up trying to replace them with bargain basement players that nobody else wants = relegation in my book.

[joey_big_nose]

What is really bizarre is by definition we can't spend a transfer fee, the wages will be modest, we have already massively reduced the wage bill and got 3 million in for Cairney.

Approving 10k a week max for a player shouldn't be difficult.

[Kamy100]

You sound shocked ? Why ?

Not shocked Abbey or even surprised. Just very disappointed that these numpties continue to make things a hundred times harder for us due to their "decision making" or lack of in this case.

[davulsukur]

Gary had been hoping to tie up a couple of deals by now but at the moment he and the rest of the club are STILL waiting to hear back from the owners about whether they are allowed to sign players.

It is frankly ridiculous that we seem to be back in a situation where the decision making in Pune takes an age, 18 months ago decisions were being quickly but looks like we are back to dithering in Pune. In our position where we are scrabbling around in the bargain basement/loan market we need to be able to make decisions quickly as otherwise we will lose out on players.

FFS, useless isn't even close.

[Gav]

We need to get them out chaps, simple as that.

How anyone thinks we can progress under these idiots is beyond me.

[Athlete]

Not shocked Abbey or even surprised. Just very disappointed that these numpties continue to make things a hundred times harder for us due to their "decision making" or lack of in this case.

Do you not think that the owners are in exit mode

[DE.]

To be fair they might just be confused.

[Mercer]

Sadly, my thoughts for some time have been that they are preparing to bail out - all the signs are there.

As I said on another thread yesterday, I think they will get out what they can (through sales) before 1 September (by part repayment of loans to VLL) and then leave us to the mercy of our creditors.

Would not surprise me at all to see BOI take a debenture over Rovers (as they reserve the right to) and then take the flak (on behalf of V's) when the club enters administration.

[PeteJD13]

Sadly, my thoughts for some time have been that they are preparing to bail out - all the signs are there.

As I said on another thread yesterday, I think they will get out what they can (through sales) before 1 September (by part repayment of loans to VLL) and then leave us to the mercy of our creditors.

Would not surprise me at all to see BOI take a debenture over Rovers (as they reserve the right to) and then take the flak (on behalf of V's) when the club enters administration.

The longer this state of paralysis continues the more I am inclined to agree with this mercer, there wont be any white knights riding to the rescue

[The Rover of Finland]

So if Peschi turns out to be the next Vieira and would sign a deal on minimal wages Rovers couldn't make the deal because Pune is not answering.

The FA rules should reach for this kind of bad ownership also.

[den]

I dread to think where we would be if he hadn't arrived. League One, almost certainly. Bust, very possibly.

Sounds like you're going down the route of "the owners wouldn't have spent the money better" argument. Something, when JB says the same thing about Bowyer, you vehemently disagree with.

It's very similar to giving the gig to Bowyer - because he "deserved a chance". Well no, we needed to get the best we could because we needed promotion more than at any other time. The appointment of Bowyer failed to do that. Likewise we needed to spend that huge sum correctly, in an effort to get promotion, for exactly the same reasons. We spent it all on one player and that plan failed as well.

There's no denying that.

[thenodrog]

Rhodes really isn't the problem guys. Of all the money frittered away on wages and pay-offs for the likes of Murphy, Best, Orr, Slew, the money spent on Rhodes has at least had some return on the pitch. And if anything he is likely to hold his transfer values.

I dread to think where we would be if he hadn't arrived. League One, almost certainly. Bust, very possibly.

And this is the rub. It's time Rhodes was being moved on now for a profit before it turns into an inevitable loss BUT by the same token we must NOT be relegated from the championship! First time for a long time GB appears to have got the club making money on players and under FFP as it stands and unless we can miraculously make a return to the Prem this has to be our future. If we get relegated to the 1st Div that possibility dries up as very few players from Divs 1 and 2 appear to be football journeymen and incapable of returning much profit from transfer. Far removed from the Walker years of course but FFP would not allow Jack to do what he did so for now our ability to unearth and develop talent is our future.

[ABBEY]

WHO SCORES THEN?

DONT TELL ME BROWN

[thenodrog]

When Bowyer first took over Rhodes goals were what saved us from relegation. I'm in absolutely no doubt about that.

Shearers won us the Premier League. We will have to move on at some stage.

Gary had been hoping to tie up a couple of deals by now but at the moment he and the rest of the club are STILL waiting to hear back from the owners about whether they are allowed to sign players.

It is frankly ridiculous that we seem to be back in a situation where the decision making in Pune takes an age, 18 months ago decisions were being quickly but looks like we are back to dithering in Pune. In our position where we are scrabbling around in the bargain basement/loan market we need to be able to make decisions quickly as otherwise we will lose out on players.

Surely Kamy no one can blame the venkymob for exercising caution after the goings on of the past 4 years. Can they?

Sadly, my thoughts for some time have been that they are preparing to bail out - all the signs are there.

As I said on another thread yesterday, I think they will get out what they can (through sales) before 1 September (by part repayment of loans to VLL) and then leave us to the mercy of our creditors.

Would not surprise me at all to see BOI take a debenture over Rovers (as they reserve the right to) and then take the flak (on behalf of V's) when the club enters administration.

They might make a paper sale to some fall guy who will do the dirty deed and then retire on a lucrative venky pension.

Hmmmm.... Maybe I'll write to them.

So if Peschi turns out to be the next Vieira and would sign a deal on minimal wages Rovers couldn't make the deal because Pune is not answering.

The FA rules should reach for this kind of bad ownership also.

How?