[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 2

[glen9mullan]

Rhodes would of been sold last year had Shaw and Bowyer got their own way .

It was Venkys who said no!!

If the same pressure is put on them this window then for the first time , I believe he would go .

He's very happy at Rovers , but once a club accepts a bid for any player , ultimately the player in most cases decides to take that move .

It's no secret Rovers have both he and Gestede in the shop window . Every interview States the buying club must meet their valuation .

On that basis it would be naive to think rovers won't sell them

[Damien]

It might not make sense on the face of it but, what choice has a player got if the club accepts a bid. You talk as if JR has a choice to choose whether he wants to go there , which he clearly doesn't.

Local sheffield journo Alan Biggs has said their owner is looking at spending 10mill quid on a striker.... I don't know how that would work out for them with ffp and I admit it might just be a rumor but I've resigned myself into thinking the owners are going to green light every half decent offer that comes in.

Of course he has a say if wants or doesn't want to go there... Granted Venkys may try to sell but if Rhodes doesn't fancy Sheffield Wednesday then he won't sign.

[neophox]

Rovers will sell if Bowyer wants to. Thats a difference. But does Bowyer darr?

[Rover_Shaun]

Rovers will sell even when he doesn't want to. As proven.

[yoda's brother]

Rovers will sell even when he doesn't want to. As proven.

and vice versa

[tugay5]

Rhodes would of been sold last year had Shaw and Bowyer got their own way .

It was Venkys who said no!!

If the same pressure is put on them this window then for the first time , I believe he would go .

He's very happy at Rovers , but once a club accepts a bid for any player , ultimately the player in most cases decides to take that move .

It's no secret Rovers have both he and Gestede in the shop window . Every interview States the buying club must meet their valuation .

On that basis it would be naive to think rovers won't sell them

Glen you really think bowyer wanted to sell Rhodes as well? I know shaw wanted him out to justify his role of cost cutting and making profit on players but I would have thought bowyer would have wanted to keep him.

I totally agree that bowyer is putting players in the shop window recently but I assumed that may have been a mandate from the board

[Kamy100]

REV - There is a massive problem with decision making at Rovers at present due to everything now being back to Pune for approval, this was not the case for the last 18 months whereby decision making was much quicker, this slowness of decision making is effecting every facet of the club. Gary put in a request to sign a couple of players 2 weeks ago as he wanted them on the trip to Portugal but no decision cameback despite numerous requests. FINALLY yesterday he has from what I have been told been given the green light to sign a player (no idea who).

I don't have an agenda to be a doom and gloom merchant, but it is frankly ridiculous that even simple decisions are taking an age to be approved. I would suggest that to Venky's if they don't trust the executive board that they have appointed to run the club then they sack them, as was proved 2 years ago, you cannot run a modern football club particularly during the transfer window if decision making takes an age.

[Waggy76]

I know the Punatics are unpredictable but it is getting a little absurd even for them ....

Something , appears to have changed but like you say Kamy , why dont they sack the board if they dont trust them ?

Going to be an interesting few weeks , personally I hope they bail out !

[bluebruce]

Glen, I would think that if Bowyer wanted to sell Rhodes last year it would be because he wanted to stave off the embargo and/or sign a replacement. Given we are in this embargo until at least Jan, and can't sign replacements, not to mention likely losing Rudy...I doubt he will want to let him go this time.

Odd policy from Pune if Kamy is right. They know they don't know football. So if they trust the manager surely they should just be saying 'this is your wage budget, stick to it'

[Mercer]

I'm not having a go Merce but you have got form for this. Is this the 4th or 5th window you've had him sold? I can't be bothered going back through posts but it's definitely 4 windows that you've said he's definitely gone.

He will be sold at some point, the vast majority of players are. However it doesn't change the fact that he's been here for the last two seasons when you had him sold to about 4 or 5 clubs in that time.

Think fair to say that Rhodes joined Rovers for big bucks and a perceived highway to PL.

He's done his bit by delivering the goals.

Sadly, for Rhodes, after 3 seasons he's still not made the PL - IMV, if Rovers had accepted an offer then he would have been off pretty quickly. I think he's a canny lad, knows his limitations and wont rock the boat unless a bid comes in where he really fancies the move.

We know of previous interest, inquiries and bids but V's thought it was only time before we returned to PL. There's been a huge change in the last 6 months. If I am right, V's want to bail out and are looking to recoup as much as they can before the window closes. For that reason, I think Rhodes will go for money far less than the offer from Hull last August.

[blueboy3333]

If Wheelock is right and Furman 'is impressing in training' then he could well be the signing mnetioned above, but a quick talented striker on loan from a Prem club would be ideal. We're not in for Long though according to Wheelock.

We know of previous interest, inquiries and bids but V's thought it was only time before we returned to PL. There's been a huge change in the last 6 months. If I am right, V's want to bail out and are looking to recoup as much as they can before the window closes. For that reason, I think Rhodes will go for money far less than the offer from Hull last August.

We turned down a bid for Rudy 3 weeks ago, but don't let facts get in the way.

[davulsukur]

REV - There is a massive problem with decision making at Rovers at present due to everything now being back to Pune for approval, this was not the case for the last 18 months whereby decision making was much quicker, this slowness of decision making is effecting every facet of the club. Gary put in a request to sign a couple of players 2 weeks ago as he wanted them on the trip to Portugal but no decision cameback despite numerous requests. FINALLY yesterday he has from what I have been told been given the green light to sign a player (no idea who).

I don't have an agenda to be a doom and gloom merchant, but it is frankly ridiculous that even simple decisions are taking an age to be approved. I would suggest that to Venky's if they don't trust the executive board that they have appointed to run the club then they sack them, as was proved 2 years ago, you cannot run a modern football club particularly during the transfer window if decision making takes an age.

The club can't be run like that. Bowyer can't have to give 2 weeks notice before he signs a player. Laughable from our owners.

[Mercer]

If Wheelock is right and Furman 'is impressing in training' then he could well be the signing mnetioned above, but a quick talented striker on loan from a Prem club would be ideal. We're not in for Long though according to Wheelock.

We turned down a bid for Rudy 3 weeks ago, but don't let facts get in the way.

Said in a post yesterday, doubt V's interested in jam tomorrow (wont be around to collect), they want jam today and as such only the up front matters.

Try and keep up and use a little nous and common sense.

[blueboy3333]

Said in a post yesterday, doubt V's interested in jam tomorrow (wont be around to collect), they want jam today and as such only the up front matters.

Try and keep up and use a little nous and common sense.

If you used common sense you wouldn't have said Rhodes was off to Bolton last year. As for Rudy, if they want jam today then Venky's are entirely reliant on Watford/A.N.Other upping the only offer they've had for Rudy... a very risky strategy, especially if people in football know they want out.

[Mercer]

If you used common sense you wouldn't have said Rhodes was off to Bolton last year. As for Rudy, if they want jam today then Venky's are entirely reliant on Watford/A.N.Other upping the only offer they've had for Rudy... a very risky strategy, especially if people in football know they want out.

Again, you need to get your facts right.

Find me a post where I said he was off to Bolton, You wont be able to.

Find me a post saying Bolton are interested - you will find a few.

As you yourself said a few minutes ago, don't let facts get in the way !

As for Rudy bids, seems all other clubs are quite a bit more savvy than Shelfy and our friends in Pune.

Anyhow, how's the air con down in your Ewood office ?

[K-Hod]

To be fair Mercer you've been selling Rhodes on the clubs' behalf for a while now. You surely can't be THAT surprised when people doubt what you're saying?!

[Mercer]

To be fair Mercer you've been selling Rhodes on the clubs' behalf for a while now. You surely can't be THAT surprised when people doubt what you're saying?!

On MB's, posters tend to be very selective in their recollections.

As I have said on numerous occasions, there is no industry like the football industry where the landscape can change several times in a single day and that is the reason why much written in the press never comes to fruition.

I will metaphorically lob in another hand grenade and suggest that if V's were going to keep 'their baby', then we would now be discussing our new football manager - the fact that they've stuck with Bowyer is, IMV, indicative that they've given up the ghost and are no longer bothered what happens to our club rather than representing a vote of confidence in Bowyer.

[K-Hod]

I think it was Kamy that said they had committed to funding until 2016, it wouldn't surprise me if they were forming the beginnings of an exit strategy in the slightest.

[Rover_Shaun]

The whole club is formulating an exit strategy. Seemingly one to exit the Championship, and not in the preferred direction.

[den]

Your not a fan of a striker that always scores goals. ?

Abbey, we're not going to get promoted the way we are. We need to have a back four that dominate their opponents, a midfield that controls possession and the pace of a game, for a large proportion of a game - and forwards that can turn defenders and make them run into areas they don't like. We won't get up until we start to move in this direction.

We have none of those things.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

On MB's, posters tend to be very selective in their recollections.

As I have said on numerous occasions, there is no industry like the football industry where the landscape can change several times in a single day and that is the reason why much written in the press never comes to fruition.

I will metaphorically lob in another hand grenade and suggest that if V's were going to keep 'their baby', then we would now be discussing our new football manager - the fact that they've stuck with Bowyer is, IMV, indicative that they've given up the ghost and are no longer bothered what happens to our club rather than representing a vote of confidence in Bowyer.

They stuck with Kean through thick and thin. The only managers they got rid of were while Shebby was in control - so the question has to be asked would they have got rid of Berg or Appleton if left to their own devices ?

Again - I don't think your theory has a firm enough basis. You could have course be right - but you are drawing conclusions on limited evidence.

Bottom line - nobody knows what they are planning - and history has shown that people are often wrong when trying to guess what they will do next.

[JHRover]

I don't think we can read too much into their promise to ensure funding until 2016. I think they have made that promise every year they have owned the club. It isn't unusual, merely a commitment to the auditors that they have the means and intent to ensure that the club meets its obligations for the next 12 month period until the next set of accounts.

It doesn't mean they won't or can't make an exit, but at the same time it isn't some date by which the club might be left with no funding, because they have done the same thing every year since they took over and as yet haven't walked away.

[T J Hooker]

Rhodes should be the cherry on top of the cake, but we dont have a cake just a sloppy blancmange.

[Mercer]

They stuck with Kean through thick and thin. The only managers they got rid of were while Shebby was in control - so the question has to be asked would they have got rid of Berg or Appleton if left to their own devices ?

Again - I don't think your theory has a firm enough basis. You could have course be right - but you are drawing conclusions on limited evidence.

Bottom line - nobody knows what they are planning - and history has shown that people are often wrong when trying to guess what they will do next.

My view - Bowyer will have told them in each of last 2 seasons he would at least get top 6. With a £15m+ strike force delivering 40+ goals per season, I think his position is pretty indefensible.

One day, I think it will all emerge.

[thenodrog]

What in your opinion then is the answer? There is, I'm my opinion a certain inevitability about this situation and there will be no fairy tale ending.

Dunno. I don't really have one.

BUT

You have a relative/close friend with a life threatening ailment, they have decent quality of life now but the prognosis is not good. Do you cross your fingers and hope that a. they recover, b. a cure is found or c. do you pack em off to Dignitas in Switzerland on the next available plane?