[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 2

[JayPeeBee40]

I tell you what, there is deffo something weird going on with Venky's. I am led to believe that other than a short conference call no one at the club has had any real communication with the owners over the entire summer. There was meant to be a meeting in Switzerland but Venky's decided to suddenly return to Pune.

As for transfers, while Venky's need to approve big sales like Rudy and Jordan, if Gary was adamant that he doesn't want to sell the likes of Cairney then these players won't be sold.

The FFP sanctions will remain until January (unless the QPR judicial review changes the situation), other clubs such as Forest are using creative ways to get around them. Rovers are not, again with the lack of direct communication with the owners over the summer could it be a sign that Venky's are preparing to sell the club?

Or liquidate it..

[Mike E]

Silly post. If you are going to compare players to Tugay you are in for a lifetime of disappointment.

Okay then, he's hardly a consistent performer who unlocks defences at will at this level, yet that is how some portray him.

Stats showed that Marshall and Conway provided more assists last season. Imo, if Bowyer were to consider Marshall in the middle and Taylor wide right, we may actually be 'stronger by accident'.

It all depends how we can shuffle the pack. While it's disappointing to lose him, he is replaceable from within if we do it sensibly (I know, I know) or we may get lucky if this O'Hara deal comes off.

It's all a bit naff tbh, just looking for any chinks of light.

[Iceman]

i honestly give up with these clowns in charge... sell all our best players while we are under a transfer embargo, and cant replace quality with quality.. yet we dont potentially sell one of our better players to PL team, instead we sell to Fulham. Strengthening them, and weakening us. I am at a loss for words about this club these days. Its time that Venkys get lost, and take Shaw, Bowyer with them.

Im not happy, if anybody is happy with what is happening, then fine, but im angry

Okay then, he's hardly a consistent performer who unlocks defences at will at this level, yet that is how some portray him.

Stats showed that Marshall and Conway provided more assists last season. Imo, if Bowyer were to consider Marshall in the middle and Taylor wide right, we may actually be 'stronger by accident'.

It all depends how we can shuffle the pack. While it's disappointing to lose him, he is replaceable from within if we do it sensibly (I know, I know) or we may get lucky if this O'Hara deal comes off.

It's all a bit naff tbh, just looking for any chinks of light.

sorry Mike, but personally, this is no time to sell anybody at least to a rival. If any PL team came in, fine, its a step up for them. But to sell to a team in the same division as us is a bit stupid

[Tom]

Now you've done it Kamy

As an aside the Supporters Trust have been very quiet but have been going a while, are they now in a position to buy the club if the chance arose?

[ABBEY]

Will the "man city "FFP ruling have any knock down effect for us ?

[JBiz]

Reading people's comments about Cairney make me remember what I've always known about the majority of our fans... Absolutely clueless.

Abhorrent. You have an opinion, so do others so try respecting that it.

[Iceman]

I tell you what, there is deffo something weird going on with Venky's. I am led to believe that other than a short conference call no one at the club has had any real communication with the owners over the entire summer. There was meant to be a meeting in Switzerland but Venky's decided to suddenly return to Pune.

As for transfers, while Venky's need to approve big sales like Rudy and Jordan, if Gary was adamant that he doesn't want to sell the likes of Cairney then these players won't be sold.

The FFP sanctions will remain until January (unless the QPR judicial review changes the situation), other clubs such as Forest are using creative ways to get around them. Rovers are not, again with the lack of direct communication with the owners over the summer could it be a sign that Venky's are preparing to sell the club?

so the club could potentially be sold by the sounds of it

[Mattyblue]

Sell to who? The club is a complete basket case.

Now if they'd have kept their beaks out in 2010, and let top class administrators like Williams keep us in the league, they'd probably be looking at a tidy profit.

[JayPeeBee40]

so the club could potentially be sold by the sounds of it

Who would buy a club losing circa £40m a season?

[Blandy]

The clubs transfer policy over the last couple of years is to bring in young players with potential on low wages, the problem we've got now is that we're under an

embargo and restricted to wages of 10,000 grand a week which I guess means players like Cairney, Marshall and Gestede can not have a wage rise. Do you not think

these players are going to be pushing for moves when a double your wage offer comes in from another club so it maybe Cairney pushed for the move rather than Bowyer

wanting to sell or Venkys telling him to sell!

[mhead]

If Venkys sold 5 players and 'made' 30million out of the deals.....then sold the Club cheap to (nearly) anyone I for one would think that things were moving in the right direction.

The day that any new Owners moved in....removing most of the Directors,especially the MD that would be Good Day No 2.

BRFC needs to be cleansed. I have my Trust 'donation' ready.

[chaddyrovers]

I tell you what, there is deffo something weird going on with Venky's. I am led to believe that other than a short conference call no one at the club has had any real communication with the owners over the entire summer. There was meant to be a meeting in Switzerland but Venky's decided to suddenly return to Pune.

As for transfers, while Venky's need to approve big sales like Rudy and Jordan, if Gary was adamant that he doesn't want to sell the likes of Cairney then these players won't be sold.

The FFP sanctions will remain until January (unless the QPR judicial review changes the situation), other clubs such as Forest are using creative ways to get around them. Rovers are not, again with the lack of direct communication with the owners over the summer could it be a sign that Venky's are preparing to sell the club?

Sell to who?

The only people I could see buying the club are Ian Battersby and Ian Currie.

Any new owners wouldnt want key players being sold? Surely that would affect the asking price?

Was the conference call to Shaw or Bowyer?

[des]

have not writtern on her for some time but as we look forward to a new season he goes

its a shame that we are selling one of our better on the ball players, however he does seem to go in and out of games, so its down to who we can to replace him that is the key.

The most concern for me is the forwards, if they both go, them where are the goals going to come from.

Midfield has we all know as been as issuie fore some years and it looks like this will carry on.

do we have any good players going though, as I think that the fans will forgive much id they see some home grown players beinbg given a chance to develop there trade.

As it stand now look like a season full of fight is not going down, however I will wait and see who we sign and who we let go before I give a formal view

[Iceman]

Who would buy a club losing circa £40m a season?

There are reasons we are losing 40mill a season.. Number 1, we have stupid owners. no 2, we have stupid owners and numeber 3 we have Derek Shaw

[JayPeeBee40]

There are reasons we are losing 40mill a season.. Number 1, we have stupid owners. no 2, we have stupid owners and numeber 3 we have Derek Shaw

No. The reason we are losing £40m is because we aren't on the premier league. New owners won't stop the losses unless we were promoted.

Your ideas are too simplistic.. You think the 2 ians(who also have no experience in football club ownership) would walk in and everything would be magically sorted.

[Mercer]

There are reasons we are losing 40mill a season.. Number 1, we have stupid owners. no 2, we have stupid owners and numeber 3 we have Derek Shaw

Missed a vital one out.

We have a manager who is way out of his depth.

A sharper manager would have had us back in the PL which would have been our financial salvation.

[cesus]

Unfortunately I'd say the administrative legends of Williams and Finn would be unable to turn the tide at Ewood now if Venkys left. We simply can't plug the holes with our income from cheap ticket sales, dwindling crowd numbers and 3/4 financially valuable players (one of which is all but about to leave to Fulham).

[chris_h]

No. The reason we are losing £40m is because we aren't on the premier league. New owners won't stop the losses unless we were promoted.

Your ideas are too simplistic.. You think the 2 ians(who also have no experience in football club ownership) would walk in and everything would be magically sorted.

Wasn't Ian Currie on the board at Bolton?

[chaddyrovers]

Wasn't Ian Currie on the board at Bolton?

Yes he was

[JayPeeBee40]

Yes he was

Not an owner though..? Slightly hypocritical too considering those giving Derek Shaw a verbal battering for his PNE past..

[chaddyrovers]

Not an owner though..?

No

[Mercer]

I think the V's will get every penny out as quickly as possible and then scuttle the ship with insolvency the next step.

Watch for BOI taking a debenture charge over Rovers' assets (it's their entitlement as part of facilities to Rovers) - if this happens, would suggest V's have bailed out with every penny they can get and it's for the rest to get what they can.

I doubt very much Rovers could be sold either financially or in terms of future liabilities. I feel certain due diligence would unearth more skeletons than could be found in the cemetery.

Doubt Battersby and Currie would touch unless from administration.

Don't think Rovers' Trust have either the financial clout or gravitas to make a purchase.

[JayPeeBee40]

I think the V's will get every penny out as quickly as possible and then scuttle the ship with insolvency the next step.

Watch for BOI taking a debenture charge over Rovers' assets (it's their entitlement as part of facilities to Rovers) - if this happens, would suggest V's have bailed out with every penny they can get and it's for the rest to get what they can.

I doubt very much Rovers could be sold either financially or in terms of future liabilities. I feel certain due diligence would unearth more skeletons than could be found in the cemetery.

Doubt Battersby and Currie would touch unless from administration.

Don't think Rovers' Trust have either the financial clout or gravitas to make a purchase.

Agree. The outlook is very bleak. Another accy Stanley is the making..?

[K-Hod]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13354877.Rivals_Bolton_enter_race_for_departing_Blackburn_Rovers_midfielder_Dunn/

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I think the V's will get every penny out as quickly as possible and then scuttle the ship with insolvency the next step.

Watch for BOI taking a debenture charge over Rovers' assets (it's their entitlement as part of facilities to Rovers) - if this happens, would suggest V's have bailed out with every penny they can get and it's for the rest to get what they can.

I doubt very much Rovers could be sold either financially or in terms of future liabilities. I feel certain due diligence would unearth more skeletons than could be found in the cemetery.

Doubt Battersby and Currie would touch unless from administration.

Don't think Rovers' Trust have either the financial clout or gravitas to make a purchase.

I am really confused as to what would happen with Rovers - according to another poster our actual debts are only around £22m (last accounts granted) with the rest in share capital. Depending on what our overall debts now are - a sale of Cairney, Marshall, Gestede and Rhodes (no matter how unpalatable) would leave our debts far more manageable (would probably clear most of the debts from the last accounts).

If Venky's put is into administration - how much of their own money would they get back (share capital was around £100m if I remember correctly) ?

Sorry not an accountant - but from their perspective - if debts can be got under control - why write off all their current outlay ? Why not just keep us - even with a small manageable year on year debt - leaving them with an outside chance that they will stumble on a Holloway or Dyche - get us back in the Premiership and recoup their investment ?