[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 2

[blueboy3333]

http://www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/Blackburn-Rovers-winger-linked-Scunthorpe-United/story-26797594-detail/story.html

Morris linked with Scunny and Bradford

[chaddyrovers]

Rovers trying to sell Morris, Kean and pay off Best

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/13360179.Josh_Morris_set_for_Bradford_City_as_Blackburn_Rovers_aim_to_move_on_unwanted_trio/

[Rover_Shaun]

Opinion on Tunnicliffe is also mixed. Another loan who was strangly overlooked for long periods when he was here. He leaves and boom, he's thrice the player in lore of folk.

[gumboots]

I think it's because were getting desperate for something to give us a bit of good news

[Rover_Shaun]

Hearing williamson has or is signing for ipswich? Any news?

Varney, now possibly Williamson? What's happening to Mick?

[The Rover of Finland]

Can someone please clarify the rules? Raya and O'Sullivan for example are not considered as established players as they have not played enough matches for Rovers. But what if they start the season performing in the first team? As we are allowed to have 24 established players will they be in counts once they play enough. It's pretty pointless for Lenihan to sign if that's the case.

[G Somerset Rover]

Cannot believe the Williamson rumours. Why would Mick not have gone in for him when he was available on a free just a month or so ago? Kids starting more Twitter rumours IMO.

[blueboy3333]

Can someone please clarify the rules? Raya and O'Sullivan for example are not considered as established players as they have not played enough matches for Rovers. But what if they start the season performing in the first team? As we are allowed to have 24 established players will they be in counts once they play enough. It's pretty pointless for Lenihan to sign if that's the case.

IIRC, if he's not classed as 'established'when the season kicks off he won't be until at least the beginning of the next season regardless of how many times he plays. The rules have been in the LT a few times this summer. Give it a google

[McClarky]

I thought we were building our team around Williamson next season. Strange if we let him go now. It must be a bit like transfer deadline day for us today as if we get anyone off the books it helps towards losing the embargo at mid-season. Might mean a cheeky bid or 2 for Rudy and Rhodes.

[Rover_Shaun]

Wasn't it a clause in Williamsons contract that the club chose to trigger a 1 year extension? It's not as if he's deal expired and we renegotiated terms per say.

Williamson would not have been free to look for a new club until we said we didn't want to trigger the extension. So it could be true but I can't see why McCarthy would want to pay money for him

[No Nay Never]

Cannot believe the Williamson rumours. Why would Mick not have gone in for him when he was available on a free just a month or so ago? Kids starting more Twitter rumours IMO.

Quite possibly. So easy to start on social media. Hopefully things will pick up this week.

[Reedy You're A Star]

Stephen Quinn back on the radar.

Both Reading and Sheff Utd have tabled offers thus far.

Would be happy for 7mill + Hooper on loan from Norwich for Rudy.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/06/30/reading-to-sign-former-hull-star-stephen-quinn/

Quinn gone to Reading. Next on the list?

[thenodrog]

Pppplllllleeeeeaaaaassssseeeee say it's true. I'll buy another season ticket!

Don't be daft. Williamson is short of pace but the rest of his game is pretty decent for this division. One might suggest that if Mick McCarthy is after him that you are way wrong in your assessment. From what I saw he put in many a good shift last season and plays like he actually cares and wants to win. I've got to say that he possesses a much better attitude than many of his team mates. Williamson is suffering the treatment that we have witnessed meted out to the likes of Carsley, Sherwood, N'Zonzi, Neill etc.

I'm coming to the conclusion that it's down to a yet undiscovered virus lurking in the foundations of the Blackburn End and the Riverside.

[JHRover]

Quinn was a good option as a free agent, so to see him go to Reading is disappointing.

Ipswich and McCarthy now have money to spend following Tyrone Mings' £8 million transfer to Bournemouth, so if he was interested in Williamson then that would help explain why he is only now showing an interest.

[Reedy You're A Star]

looks like Chris Wood will be signing for Wolves this week permanent

I would like to him sign for Rovers but we cant buy him(cos of the Transfer Embargo)

http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/wolves-have-offer-accepted-for-premier-league-striker/

Looks like you're right.

[Bucksrover]

Don't be daft. Williamson is short of pace but the rest of his game is pretty decent for this division. One might suggest that if Mick McCarthy is after him that you are way wrong in your assessment. From what I saw he put in many a good shift last season and plays like he actually cares and wants to win. I've got to say that he possesses a much better attitude than many of his team mates. Williamson is suffering the treatment that we have witnessed meted out to the likes of Carsley, Sherwood, N'Zonzi, Neill etc.

I'm coming to the conclusion that it's down to a yet undiscovered virus lurking in the foundations of the Blackburn End and the Riverside.

Well it has reached me in the Jack Walker stand.

Your positives about Williamson are spot on - he has a great attitude and always tries his best. I don't dislike his character at all.

But from watching him I think he is a real problem for our team - his lack of pace means he stands just in front of the back 4 to avoid people getting past him to easily - but this anchors are team deep in our half, and then he is too slow to be an outlet to then get us up the pitch when we do win the ball back. His passing is laboured - he drags passes slowly to players rather than pings them about - which again slows our moves down. He isn't afraid to get stuck in - but quite often his slowness means he is late into challenges, or has to foul players to stop them getting past him.

I accept it's all opinions, but I really think we are better off without him in the starting 11.

[thenodrog]

Not saying you're alone. It's not all former players for me. I just didn't like the process by which he left and, in particular, the way that Rovers seemed to be short changed on the price. But in the end, if I choose to let my bitterness imprison me, it's my choice LOL!

The way Jones left was not the best and was one of the reasons that I packed up going BUT at least we got a decent price for him and tbf the lure of MU is way beyond our ability to combat. Far worse was the processes which saw any number of players and officials shoved out around that time.... EHD, Nelsen, Allardyce, Williams, Finn, N'Zonzi, Samba etc..... in fact anyone who could see and disliked what was going on at the club since the new regime had taken over.

[JHRover]

I think the reason why Williamson was seen as so impressive and effective in the two games against Liverpool last season was that his sole responsibility was to defend. There was absolutely no pressure or expectation on him to distribute the ball or get forward. Instead all he had to do was sit back and try to break Liverpool up as they got close to the edge of our box.

That's fine when you're up against Liverpool at Anfield and you are defending for 90 minutes trying to protect a 0-0 draw, but in the Championship we need to be getting at teams and take the initiative ourselves. When Williamson has to contribute offensively by getting up the pitch and passing/moving is when his clear limitations are there for all to see.

[thenodrog]

Well it has reached me in the Jack Walker stand.

Your positives about Williamson are spot on - he has a great attitude and always tries his best. I don't dislike his character at all.

But from watching him I think he is a real problem for our team - his lack of pace means he stands just in front of the back 4 to avoid people getting past him to easily - but this anchors are team deep in our half, and then he is too slow to be an outlet to then get us up the pitch when we do win the ball back. His passing is laboured - he drags passes slowly to players rather than pings them about - which again slows our moves down. He isn't afraid to get stuck in - but quite often his slowness means he is late into challenges, or has to foul players to stop them getting past him.

I accept it's all opinions, but I really think we are better off without him in the starting 11.

Maybe you should have waited to see who we might replace him with should he leave. I'll just add a relevant point that you have not mentioned and that is that he is getting on a tad.

I think the reason why Williamson was seen as so impressive and effective in the two games against Liverpool last season was that his sole responsibility was to defend. There was absolutely no pressure or expectation on him to distribute the ball or get forward. Instead all he had to do was sit back and try to break Liverpool up as they got close to the edge of our box.

That's fine when you're up against Liverpool at Anfield and you are defending for 90 minutes trying to protect a 0-0 draw, but in the Championship we need to be getting at teams and take the initiative ourselves. When Williamson has to contribute offensively by getting up the pitch and passing/moving is when his clear limitations are there for all to see.

No it's fine if you play 4-5-1. We have too many square pegs that we are attempting to put into round holes. 4-4-2 does not suit many of our players with the exception of Jordan Rhodes and that was Bowyer's dilemma once Mrs Desai forbade his move to Hull. One of the finest deep sitting central midfielders in the Prem was Claude Makeleli at Chelsea in their Drogba led 4-5-1 but I'd wager he'd have been a disaster and like a fish out of water at OT playing in a 4-4-2 with two out and out wingers.

[jim mk2]

I think the reason why Williamson was seen as so impressive and effective in the two games against Liverpool last season was that his sole responsibility was to defend. There was absolutely no pressure or expectation on him to distribute the ball or get forward. Instead all he had to do was sit back and try to break Liverpool up as they got close to the edge of our box.

That's fine when you're up against Liverpool at Anfield and you are defending for 90 minutes trying to protect a 0-0 draw, but in the Championship we need to be getting at teams and take the initiative ourselves. When Williamson has to contribute offensively by getting up the pitch and passing/moving is when his clear limitations are there for all to see.

The obvious answer to that is you allow him to do the job at which he is most effective. Williamson has always played well when I have seen him and never give less than 100 per cent. He has limitations but then so do most players in this division - if they were better all round players they would be playing in the PL. Why can't fans see a player's merits instead of focusing on their flaws ? Used in the right way, Williamson is a good player for us.

[Gav]

Williamson is one of the worst midfield players we've had in 25yrs, but his attitude is first class, if we had another 10 Williamsons in terms of attitude we'd not be that far off.

As for Brown, he looks useless, but missed a full pre-season and half a league season which is hard to make up. Scott Dann suffered the same with his injury and look at him now. Palaces player of the year and on the brink of an England call up.

I'm willing to give him another season that's for sure.

[JHRover]

Maybe you should have waited to see who we might replace him with should he leave. I'll just add a relevant point that you have not mentioned and that is that he is getting on a tad.

No it's fine if you play 4-5-1. We have too many square pegs that we are attempting to put into round holes. 4-4-2 does not suit many of our players with the exception of Jordan Rhodes and that was Bowyer's dilemma once Mrs Desai forbade his move to Hull. One of the finest deep sitting central midfielders in the Prem was Claude Makeleli at Chelsea in their Drogba led 4-5-1 but I'd wager he'd have been a disaster and like a fish out of water at OT playing in a 4-4-2 with two out and out wingers.

There are two ways at looking at that. You seem to be suggesting that we should play with one striker and ditch either Rhodes or Gestede in order to allow someone like Williamson the opportunity to be at his most effective.

My view is that retaining Rhodes and Gestede was absolutely the right thing to do and if that meant ditching Williamson and signing someone more capable of playing centrally in a 4-4-2 then so be it.

Its all irrelevant anyway, because Williamson will still be here at the end of next season whilst our quality players who other clubs covet - King, Cairney, Rhodes, Gestede and Marshall will probably all be sold on. Then we can look forward to Willo being able to play in his best position every week with Chris Brown as the lone striker. Both putting a shift in but with clear limitations ability wise.

[thenodrog]

There are two ways at looking at that. You seem to be suggesting that we should play with one striker and ditch either Rhodes or Gestede in order to allow someone like Williamson the opportunity to be at his most effective.

My view is that retaining Rhodes and Gestede was absolutely the right thing to do and if that meant ditching Williamson and signing someone more capable of playing centrally in a 4-4-2 then so be it.

There are reasons that so few midfielders got on the score sheet last year and 4-4-2 is a big one. Lets be honest Marshall and Cairney were 4-5-1 midfield players. Neither is an out and out winger and neither has a tackle in em. Taylor, Evans and Williamson too do not favour 4-4-2. In fact the only two who do are Conway and Lowe.

[Rover_Shaun]

It says more about the paucity of english talent than that of Scott "6ft standing, 5ft jumping, react after the ball hits the net" Dann Gav.

[joey_big_nose]

It says more about the paucity of english talent than that of Scott "6ft standing, 5ft jumping, react after the ball hits the net" Dann Gav.

Why not be the bigger man and admit that you were wrong and Scott Dann is a much better player than you thought?

We all make mistakes. I thought Hoilett was going onto big things when he left. He's done the square root of f all.

Fans generally speaking, myself included, are not actually that good at telling how players will go on except for the truly obvious talent. It's daft seeing people argue with plain fact just so they can keep the notion that they have a superior knowledge of the game.