[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 2

[RevidgeBlue]

Wilson would be a great signing .

I expect Gestede to leave which will hopefully leave us with Rhodes (please god) and Brown who is totally useless and Varney who has shown up well on occasion but who is overall still almost totally useless. All imo of course.

[chaddyrovers]

I think Gestede will go tbh but its up to clubs interested in him to pay the fee we want or shut up.

I dont see Rhodes leaving tbh. 12 million pounds I would imagine is the Asking price.

Rev, Varney has left Rovers. Gone Ipswich.

Wilson would be good loan signing if Rhodes does leave.

[patrickvalery]

I don't remember reading a single post on any message board complaining about rovers letting judge go at the time of his move.

I know personally I was disappointed to see him leave and said as much on here. I'm also pretty certain there were others who felt the same. Although I couldn't give you names.

We didn't give the lad a chance. Twice!!

[Mercer]

I think Gestede will go tbh but its up to clubs interested in him to pay the fee we want or shut up.

I dont see Rhodes leaving tbh. 12 million pounds I would imagine is the Asking price.

Rev, Varney has left Rovers. Gone Ipswich.

Wilson would be good loan signing if Rhodes does leave.

IMV, Rovers will not get the money they want for the two but they will still go.

The football world will see through the macho posturing and realise that cash, of any moderate amount, is now king with Rovers.

[chris_h]

IMV, Rovers will not get the money they want for the two but they will still go.

The football world will see through the macho posturing and realise that cash, of any moderate amount, is now king with Rovers.

Any update on that U21 story from a few weeks ago?

[Parsonblue]

IMV, Rovers will not get the money they want for the two but they will still go.

The football world will see through the macho posturing and realise that cash, of any moderate amount, is now king with Rovers.

Just as its always been at Ewood or have you forgotten all the players sold in the past when the asking price was met? For the majority of the club's history it is how it has survived - buy cheap and sell at a profit.

[Gav]

IMV, Rovers will not get the money they want for the two but they will still go.

The football world will see through the macho posturing and realise that cash, of any moderate amount, is now king with Rovers.

Sorry mercer but that's just baseless clap trap.

If you can say one thing about Venkys they've always got what they wanted in terms of transfer fees, no reason to think they'll not going forward.

Just as its always been at Ewood or have you forgotten all the players sold in the past when the asking price was met? For the majority of the club's history it is how it has survived - buy cheap and sell at a profit.

This point seems to have some 'up in arms' when it's been going on for years!

John Williams said years ago we needed to sell to survive and we managed to do that quite successfully whilst remaining competitive, it's nothing new and certainly not a Venkys directive, they're not bright enough to come up with such a strategy.

[chaddyrovers]

IMV, Rovers will not get the money they want for the two but they will still go.

The football world will see through the macho posturing and realise that cash, of any moderate amount, is now king with Rovers.

Really?

2 bids for Rhodes turned down last season. (1 from Hull and 1 from Boro(loan with a perm move if they go up))

2 bids for Gestede turned down. 1 last season from Palace and 1 this summer from Watford.

The Rovers owners wont/dont sell on the cheap.

[rebelmswar]

Sorry mercer but that's just baseless clap trap.

If you can say one thing about Venkys they've always got what they wanted in terms of transfer fees, no reason to think they'll not going forward.

This point seems to have some 'up in arms' when it's been going on for years!

John Williams said years ago we needed to sell to survive and we managed to do that quite successfully whilst remaining competitive, it's nothing new and certainly not a Venkys directive, they're not bright enough to come up with such a strategy.

It has alwasys seemed to me that, for decades now, thats part of the parcel of being a Rovers supporter is seeing your favorites leave.

Its like we support a 40's romatic movie: always chasing after the train with a hanky.

We're like the nice bloke all the girls date when they want some stability before their next disapointment.

Really?

2 bids for Rhodes turned down last season. (1 from Hull and 1 from Boro(loan with a perm move if they go up))

2 bids for Gestede turned down. 1 last season from Palace and 1 this summer from Watford.

The Rovers owners wont/dont sell on the cheap.

Just because a baker does not sell at a discount does not make him a collector.

[Stuart]

This point seems to have some 'up in arms' when it's been going on for years!

John Williams said years ago we needed to sell to survive and we managed to do that quite successfully whilst remaining competitive, it's nothing new and certainly not a Venkys directive, they're not bright enough to come up with such a strategy.

Maybe it doesn't faze you, Gav, but having the World's Dumbest Football Owners in charge gives me no comfort. Certainly comparing anything they are involved in as 'business as usual' is a very dangerous assumption.

Somebody is advising them. It looks like it isn't Bowyer so that leaves Shaw or our FD - or another "Mr Grey". In my experience any business led by an accountant is doomed to fail. It needs entrepreneurial skills, risk and flair. The FD should be there to help temper things, they don't have the vision to lead the way.

Following a football club should bring highs and lows. So far Venkys have only brought lows - with no signs of any highs on the horizon, only lower lows.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Sorry mercer but that's just baseless clap trap.

If you can say one thing about Venkys they've always got what they wanted in terms of transfer fees, no reason to think they'll not going forward.

This point seems to have some 'up in arms' when it's been going on for years!

John Williams said years ago we needed to sell to survive and we managed to do that quite successfully whilst remaining competitive, it's nothing new and certainly not a Venkys directive, they're not bright enough to come up with such a strategy.

Now we sell but will we remain competitive?

[thenodrog]

It was strange that a former youth coach and well known tinkerman/rotator didn't give some a bit more time towards the end of the season. There were probably a few reasons at play but one was most obviously ass covering to try and safe guard results to keep up appearances.

Grief! It's a results driven business. Name me any manager who doesn't seek to do that? Not only is it unfair to other clubs still involved in promotion / relegation issues but playing a weaker team must aggravate the more competitive squad members no end. Most of whom by definition will have a winning mentality to even become professional players in the first place. I know turning out in a weakened team used to p1ss me off when I played many (many) years ago.

In terms of rubbishing him for suggesting Bowyer is influenced by an agent, Chaddy.

Both chaddy and jal's views can only ever be based on speculation and uninformed opinion surely?

[thenodrog]

Gary Bowyer in tandem with a specific agent! God we've really felt the affect of the sunshine or been sniffing the glue.

I'm literally shaking my head in disbelief, sometimes i think some of the fans on here would still moan if we had Jose Mourinho as manager.

Behind "Gaz" all the way personally, commendable job so far.

Just above average imo Dunn. However GB has done it under the adverse conditions of having to reduce costs.

' Sorry Mrs Desai but imo you've been the victim of conmen, I cant promise promotion, tbh no one can do that, but I can do as well as your previous manager's and with half the wage bill. Something the club will have to do that when the parachute payments run out and FFP kicks in'. Obviously I'm guessing but that's how he prob sold himself to the owners, I know that's what I would have done. The time for dreaming is over.

[thenodrog]

I know personally I was disappointed to see him (Allan Judge) leave and said as much on here. I'm also pretty certain there were others who felt the same. Although I couldn't give you names.

We didn't give the lad a chance. Twice!!

Judge........... Another player who can't play 4-4-2. He's an inside forward not a central midfielder and certainly not a right winger. Jordan Rhodes has a lot to answer for by being so one dimensional. For those old enough to rem our promotion saeson I'll validate that by pointing out that no one in their right minds would ever consider playing Eyal Berkovic in a 4-4-2 and expect him to tackle back or hare down the wing would they? Just as an aside how many would Rhodes have scored with Berko supplying the ammo? That bloke was class with a capital C.

[thenodrog]

Sorry mercer but that's just baseless clap trap.

If you can say one thing about Venkys they've always got what they wanted in terms of transfer fees, no reason to think they'll not going forward.

This point seems to have some 'up in arms' when it's been going on for years!

John Williams said years ago we needed to sell to survive and we managed to do that quite successfully whilst remaining competitive, it's nothing new and certainly not a Venkys directive, they're not bright enough to come up with such a strategy.

JW..... 'We aren't a selling club, we are a trading club'.

Pity that message went out of the door with him when Mrs Desai decided that his time had come. Lest we forget.....http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/8835527.Mrs_Desai__Why_John_Williams_left_Blackburn_Rovers/

"I think that after Sam left, John lost a lot of interest in the club. "After that happened I think he knew that he wanted to move on. "I know that he did not get along with Steve (Kean) and he had struggled to accept Jerome (Anderson)'s role at the club."

Just how gullible can you be and how much of a slimy spivvy conman was Jerome @#/? Anderson and his puppet. He played em like naive jungle tribesmen and they let him. How much has it cost them in money and us in emotion and how much must they regret pushing out Allardyce and Williams? I know the entire support base must regret it but penny for the thoughts now of approx 25% of the noisiest numpties in the cheap seats who had already written off Allardyce, Williams and the Trust and actually welcomed her actions at the time. You all know who you are.

[martonrover]

Just above average imo Dunn. However GB has done it under the adverse conditions of having to reduce costs.

' Sorry Mrs Desai but imo you've been the victim of conmen, I cant promise promotion, tbh no one can do that, but I can do as well as your previous manager's and with half the wage bill. Something the club will have to do that when the parachute payments run out and FFP kicks in'. Obviously I'm guessing but that's how he prob sold himself to the owners, I know that's what I would have done. The time for dreaming is over.

Maybe he added, "I'll collect goalkeepers and sign players on loan and not play them"?

Once you stop dreaming and striving to be the best you are royally screwed.

[chimbondapie]

Why care if someone is one dimensional when that dimension is bagging plenty of goals every season ? It's down to Gary to make the best of that strength and add other players to compliment that and vice versa

[thenodrog]

Maybe he added, "I'll collect goalkeepers and sign players on loan and not play them"?

Once you stop dreaming and striving to be the best you are royally screwed.

You might as well dream on here as in bed marton. Don't you rem the example of Daedelus and Icarus?

[T J Hooker]

Really?

2 bids for Rhodes turned down last season. (1 from Hull and 1 from Boro(loan with a perm move if they go up))

2 bids for Gestede turned down. 1 last season from Palace and 1 this summer from Watford.

The Rovers owners wont/dont sell on the cheap.

Has anybody actually added up roughly how much they've paid out in severance payments(for players and staff) since they took over, kind of makes any profits gained from the sentence underlined above seem like petty cash(and petty is the apt. word)

[tomphil]

Grief! It's a results driven business. Name me any manager who doesn't seek to do that? Not only is it unfair to other clubs still involved in promotion / relegation issues but playing a weaker team must aggravate the more competitive squad members no end. Most of whom by definition will have a winning mentality to even become professional players in the first place. I know turning out in a weakened team used to p1ss me off when I played many (many) years ago.

Both chaddy and jal's views can only ever be based on speculation and uninformed opinion surely?

Give over, just look at how the side was regularly chopped and changed anyway seemingly without the emphasis on just grinding out results. No one was expecting him to field the youth team but given the genuine injury situation at the end of the season it wouldn't have been unreasonable to expect a few to get a chance, in their correct positions. Especially seeing as they may be expected to step up to the plate this season.

[thenodrog]

Why care if someone is one dimensional when that dimension is bagging plenty of goals every season ? It's down to Gary to make the best of that strength and add other players to compliment that and vice versa

Too simplistic. Since we've been forced to accomodate JR at all costs when he should really have been sitting on Hull's bench we've been forcing too many square pegs into round holes. Put your thinking cap on and tell me how many of our players are better suited to 4-4-2 than 4-5-1? JR and who exactly? We've a collection of midfielders of various abilities but no all action dynamos with goal threat in their weaponry and definitely out and out wide men with blistering pace. Conway is almost there but Marshall, Cairney and Taylor are simply not suited to hugging a touchline.

[thenodrog]

Give over, just look at how the side was regularly chopped and changed anyway seemingly without the emphasis on just grinding out results. No one was expecting him to field the youth team but given the genuine injury situation at the end of the season it wouldn't have been unreasonable to expect a few to get a chance, in their correct positions. Especially seeing as they may be expected to step up to the plate this season.

Rem WHU v Man Utd May 95? How would you have felt if WHU had decided to give 2 / 3 youth team players (heaven forbid their gk) a chance simply because they had nothing to play for and wanted to see how the kids would do?

Factor in the fact that winning promotion from the Championship now is worth far far more financially than actually winning the Prem title.

[chimbondapie]

In this league with the players you lost it should be easy enough to assemble a four four two Rhodes and gesture should have been able to run riot

You don't rate Rhodes then . Nah those strikers that score loads are rubbish

[tomphil]

Rem WHU v Man Utd May 95? How would you have felt if WHU had decided to give 2 / 3 youth team players a chance simply because they had nothing to play for and wanted to see how the kids would do?

Factor in the fact that winning promotion from the Championship now is worth far far more financially than actually winning the Prem title.

That's a bit of an odd comparison seeing as this is the Championship and lots of bang average squads are made up of young players coming through, it's the way of the world in this league. Also factor in the way things are at Rovers and what we are constantly told, deveoplment, squad value. Anyway they'd still of had Ludo !

Poor form editing your post to drop in the goalkeeper bit after my reply lol

[thenodrog]

In this league with the players you lost it should be easy enough to assemble a four four two Rhodes and gesture should have been able to run riot

You don't rate Rhodes then . Nah those strikers that score loads are rubbish

Didn't I say I rated him in a 4-4-2? He's clinical but what we used to call a 'tart liner'. His talent is at odds to the rest of the squad who are simply not suited to 4-4-2. If you need evidence then just look at the way we played when he was left out for the Cup games! Nuff said and actions speak louder than words. JR is the icing on the cake when the rest of the squad is good enough to accommodate him and play to his talents. Ours isn't.