[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 2

[Commondore]

I think the Cairney sale and this summer in general clearly highlights why Venkys will never employ a proven successful manager at this football club.

If we had a McCarthy or someone of that ilk they would have resigned months ago. No communication from the owners, no meeting with them all summer, and now the owners seemingly happy to sell off the clubs best players to rivals without approval from the manager.

I'm not criticising Bowyer for not walking away. He probably can't afford to just quit. But a bigger name manager who didn't need the money would not have put up with this nonsense.

As you say - the Cairney situation boils down to one of two options.

He was either sold by the owners behind the managers back/without his approval - in that case the manager has every reason to be upset and many others wouldn't have put up with it - Venkys clearly aren't bothered about the manager's views/opinions.

The alternative is that Bowyer agreed to the transfer - which itself raises major questions as to why the manager would agree to such a sale with no chance of replacing him.

Either way it is very worrying. Based on what Cairney and then Bowyer has said in the media my money is on a sudden and shock deal agreed to by Venkys but not the manager and with no pushing from the player.

What I would like to know is who is advising the owners on things these days.

Over the last 2 years my understanding was that Bowyer did business directly with Mrs Desai and she got on well with him and worked well with him. This summer's antics basically blows that theory out of the water.

So who are the owners listening to now? Who told them that the Fulham offer was worth accepting for Cairney? Who is telling them to keep rejecting Watford's offer for Gestede? How are they valuing players when they know nothing about football?

Football is hardly chock-full of people who walk out on well paid jobs because some of their principles are ruffled. Below the very top echelon of managers, 9 out of 10 put up with whatever they have to put up with as long as they keep getting their paychecks.

[joey_big_nose]

From the LT.......

"But Bowyer accepts the reality of why Rovers owners Venkys agreed to the shock sale of the fans favourite.

He said: Its a sad loss to lose Tom.

He was a fantastic player, a great player for us, and a cracking lad from a really good family.

We are disappointed he has left us but the offer on the table went to the owners and they accepted that."

....................

"Asked whether he expected Gestede to go, Bowyer said: In all honesty I hope he doesnt.

Thats me but if somebody meets the asking price thats clearly out of my hands".

So, Chaddy, either the owners are selling these players without agreement from the manager (which it looks like, but is not good), or Bowyer is deflecting criticism of his own actions - in other words, misleading the fans (not good either).

Wow, that puts a different complexion on things.

KAMY- Does this seem right?

If the decision was taken out of Bowyers hands something has happened and the strategy has changed.

[Stefan Hedgehog]

Wow, that puts a different complexion on things.

KAMY- Does this seem right?

If the decision was taken out of Bowyers hands something has happened and the strategy has changed.

is kamy the messiah venkys own brfc and if someone is willing to pay 3 times the value for a player nobody in the right mind would turn it down,why do you think bowyer has a job at ewood?does not rock the boat our gary.

[joey_big_nose]

is kamy the messiah venkys own brfc and if someone is willing to pay 3 times the value for a player nobody in the right mind would turn it down,why do you think bowyer has a job at ewood?does not rock the boat our gary.

Of anyone on this message board Kamy has by far the best inside knowledge of what's going on. Just the way it is, no need to be jealous. You get his track record and I'll ask you the questions.

The reason this is interesting is previously Kamy understood that Bowyer chose to sell, it wasn't forced on him.

The LT quotes suggest differently.

[Stefan Hedgehog]

Of anyone on this message board Kamy has by far the best inside knowledge of what's going on. Just the way it is, no need to be jealous. You get his track record and I'll ask you the questions.

The reason this is interesting is previously Kamy understood that Bowyer chose to sell, it wasn't forced on him.

The LT quotes suggest differently.

his track record is as good as his last story,escalator and everyones leaving

[joey_big_nose]

his track record is as good as his last story,escalator and everyones leaving

Maybe it is to you, but not to me. I don't disregard what a respected source of information says because something he has indicated could happen has not instantly occurred.

Also, and I mean this in a friendly way and do not mean to be condescending, I'd work on your punctuation and grammar a bit.

[Stefan Hedgehog]

Maybe it is to you, but not to me. I don't disregard what a respected source of information says because something he has indicated could happen has not instantly occurred.

Also, and I mean this in a friendly way and do not mean to be condescending, I'd work on your punctuation and grammar a bit.

well i mean this in a friendly way GET A PUCKING LIFE

[USABlue]

Do we even have a cat in hells chance of signing this Maguire?

exactly what Bowyer has achieved with Rudy, bet Cardiff are gutted they let him go.

If they are anything like us they will be blaming their manager for being crap, not knowing how to get the nest out of him.

[USABlue]

I don't think that was the point being made blueboy.

You can't defend everything the manager and club do, you need balance and an objective view.

It seems yourself and the likes of Jbizzle have backed yourself so far into a corner that you've lost all perspective on our current plight.

Its more important for you to defend your position rather than have a balanced view.

I'm not having a pop at you, just saying it how I see it.

7m is good business for a striker that cost nowt, he wants to leave so he goes, but the money WILL NOT be reinvested which makes the side much weaker. With the departure of Cairney and possibly Rhodes we find ourselves looking at survival in the coming season, but Venkys will collected 15/20m in the process

Are you happy with that?

Then likewise for those who find nothing good about Bowyer. Who blame hime for everything. Who twist so many things even calling in to doubt his very character. Aligning him with Kean and JA. Accusing him of shady deals and being ran by agents.

Truth be told he's just a man trying his best but out of his depth when it comes to inspiring us to have that little bit extra to get us where we want to be.

I think this is the season where we truly see what he's made of cos i expect nothing but a relegation fight.

[Stefan Hedgehog]

Do we even have a cat in hells chance of signing this Maguire?

If they are anything like us they will be blaming their manager for being crap, not knowing how to get the nest out of him.

who signed him for cardiff mckay?dave jones

[USABlue]

Anyone capable of explaining why Venkys saw fit to sell Cairney against the wishes of the manager? For the life of me, I don't understand it. I could have understood Bowyer selling him if he believed he could have got better in, - but the owners taking that sale on by theirselves.........

what does that say to the fans on here? Why have they done it?

Not sure I heard Bowyer state he did not want to sell at the price offered. Heard that the price was given to the owners and they went with it. Not necessarily the same thing. Perhaps a lower bid would have Bowyer not even presenting it to them.

[ABBEY]

Has chaddy replied yet or is still ignoring the Bowyer interview over the selling of Cairney ?

[USABlue]

who signed him for cardiff mckay?dave jones

Not sure who signed him but McKay would have been the one not playing him. A manager, pre scandal and pre Wigan, who was highly respected and wanted by many on this board. Me included.

[USABlue]

The TC money alone won't make a dent in the debt nor will it make much effect on the embargo unless they know they are going to get 5 mill plus for another player which would then make a difference. Personally I think he's been sacrificed to pay the bills for a few months or other money owed. Wasn't there a date to pay something back, poss the loan against the last parachute or something ?

True to say though that with the players gone off the payroll, the sale of Cairney, no signings and poss Best paid off then they can surely argue big strides are being made to get costs down. Others like Bolton have got around it that way it seems. Something is truly suspicious if they don't take that into account when it's reviewed.

It's more than just suspicious. It stinks, I still think their are individuals with vendettas who have "influence" in places we don't even dare consider, some high levels indeed. I fear that in my lifetime this once proud club will cease to exist. 130+ years of football history erased in half a decade. Sorry way off topic, got sucked in.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

In fairness Henley has looked ready for a long time but rarely got the chance and Olsson wouldn't have got a look in had Spurr not been inured

He even dropped Olsson for Spurr later in the season who then played awful

I thought Olsson was rested because he had a niggling injury and he wanted him for the Liverpool cup game ?

[USABlue]

I say this as an angry supporter, who absolutely despises what Venky's, Anderson, Kean, Agnew and Singh have done to my beloved Blackburn Rovers.I know you have been dubbed as a defender of the indefensible(LOL), but I do think you have a point, Parson.

For me, t's not unlike the rhetoric and the drive to go to war before the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan etc All the hot talk of war and not a thought about what to do after the invasion etc

We have to get our brains into gear. What are our aims and objectives? What outcomes do we want? What are the different risks attached to different strategies etc What can we get s significant proportion of fans to sign up to?

But I can't help asking again...Are the Venky's dead yet?!

To me it has to be Anderson at the top of the despised list, then Venkys then Kean. The rest are also rans. Had it mot been for tantric dancers "master plan" we would never have heard of the cbicken farmers. His bitterness at being outsted here i think we are still paying for in many ways.

[USABlue]

I think the Cairney sale and this summer in general clearly highlights why Venkys will never employ a proven successful manager at this football club.

If we had a McCarthy or someone of that ilk they would have resigned months ago. No communication from the owners, no meeting with them all summer, and now the owners seemingly happy to sell off the clubs best players to rivals without approval from the manager.

I'm not criticising Bowyer for not walking away. He probably can't afford to just quit. But a bigger name manager who didn't need the money would not have put up with this nonsense.

As you say - the Cairney situation boils down to one of two options.

He was either sold by the owners behind the managers back/without his approval - in that case the manager has every reason to be upset and many others wouldn't have put up with it - Venkys clearly aren't bothered about the manager's views/opinions.

The alternative is that Bowyer agreed to the transfer - which itself raises major questions as to why the manager would agree to such a sale with no chance of replacing him.

Either way it is very worrying. Based on what Cairney and then Bowyer has said in the media my money is on a sudden and shock deal agreed to by Venkys but not the manager and with no pushing from the player.

What I would like to know is who is advising the owners on things these days.

Over the last 2 years my understanding was that Bowyer did business directly with Mrs Desai and she got on well with him and worked well with him. This summer's antics basically blows that theory out of the water.

So who are the owners listening to now? Who told them that the Fulham offer was worth accepting for Cairney? Who is telling them to keep rejecting Watford's offer for Gestede? How are they valuing players when they know nothing about football?

It couldn't be as simple as Bowyer recieving a bid for a player who in all fairness failed to push on. A good bid, he calls venks saying look we have a good offer and they tell him do it. Couldn't be that simple, that normal coud it?

[Athlete]

Not sure who signed him but McKay would have been the one not playing him. A manager, pre scandal and pre Wigan, who was highly respected and wanted by many on this board. Me included.

One of the reasons malky was sacked by Cardiff was allegations of transfer corruption which couldn't be proved by Tan etc the texts broke the camels back so to speak as he was sacked previously then reinstated then kept away from the club months before the actual sacking

Do you honestly believe they sacked their most successful manager for donkeys years over a few texts.. No me neither

The Wigan move was a disaster all his best players sold beyond his control and some before his tenure and third rate loan players brought in

Anyway back on track the LT interview confirms GB isn't in charge of transfers or he's very shrewd by deflecting any blame from himself but by doing that he'd be playing a dodgy game if the owners were taking advice and possibly thinking of replacing him of which I don't think that's the case as the Rao's aren't interested in the good of BRFC so 100% it has to be GB isn't in control of transfers

But hey chaddyrovers heard a different interview

[Stefan Hedgehog]

One of the reasons malky was sacked by Cardiff was allegations of transfer corruption which couldn't be proved by Tan etc the texts broke the camels back so to speak as he was sacked previously then reinstated then kept away from the club months before the actual sacking

Do you honestly believe they sacked their most successful manager for donkeys years over a few texts.. No me neither

The Wigan move was a disaster all his best players sold beyond his control and some before his tenure and third rate loan players brought in

so your defending malky

[Athlete]

so your defending malky

No not in the slightest think there was more to it as he still hasn't even had a FA disciplinary or been found guilty

[chris_h]

Then likewise for those who find nothing good about Bowyer. Who blame hime for everything. Who twist so many things even calling in to doubt his very character. Aligning him with Kean and JA. Accusing him of shady deals and being ran by agents.

.

You forgot not smiling at the cricket

[K-Hod]

Has chaddy replied yet or is still ignoring the Bowyer interview over the selling of Cairney ?

PM him if you want to know that badly! I think Den transcribed it above and it's impossible to ignore that GB actually says the owners sold him.

[chaddyrovers]

Has chaddy replied yet or is still ignoring the Bowyer interview over the selling of Cairney ?

Abbey, I have posted my views on Cairney sale and Yes I am of the opinion that Bowyer did approval the sale.

Also you may want to check the twitter convo between me, Kamy and Savio. Will answer your questions.

So Abbey please leave me alone now. Why not talk about something different like possible transfers in for Example.

[gumboots]

Because at the moment there are none and any there are will be totally underwhelming to all but you. And if that's bullying then cry to whoever you normally cry to because that's what you usually do.

[den]

PM him if you want to know that badly! I think Den transcribed it above and it's impossible to ignore that GB actually says the owners sold him.

The article also contains this uplifting message........

“Unfortunately now Tom’s gone, we’ve got to move on and find the next one and work very hard to bring them in and make them better.

“The reality is, I suppose, is that eventually one of them then will go. We have to face reality.”

Surprised this article hasn't been more widely read

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/13370567.Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Gary_Bowyer_saddened_to_see_Tom_Cairney_go/?ref=mac

Seems we've finished up with multi millionnairre owners who won't put cash into the playing squad and don't have the footballing nous to run it properly either.

Abbey, I have posted my views on Cairney sale and Yes I am of the opinion that Bowyer did approval the sale.

Also you may want to check the twitter convo between me, Kamy and Savio. Will answer your questions.

So Abbey please leave me alone now. Why not talk about something different like possible transfers in for Example.

"Approved" the sale Chaddy, or "accepted" Venkys decision to sell? They're quite different.