[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 2

[tomphil]

Let's get it right, Cairney has gone out of the door for approx. 2.7 mill and everything else is in add ons. Take off what he cost and a large sell on to Hull anywhere between 20 & 40% depending on who is correct, oh and the agents whack. It's a nice little profit but not a massive one unless all the add ons get activated over time.

The odd thing with this one is why he wasn't seemingly priced out of a move like Rudy & Rhodes were the owners supposedly set the bar high in order to keep them unless it's to good to refuse. If the manager had put a good word in, he did always seem to like Cairney, another of his favs poss then why haven't they set the bar high on TC ? A quick bit of cash needed I think and fortunately someone has set up a nice little deal and the player was willing to go along with it.

[chris_h]

Let's get it right, Cairney has gone out of the door for approx. 2.7 mill and everything else is in add ons. Take off what he cost and a large sell on to Hull anywhere between 20 & 40% depending on who is correct, oh and the agents whack. It's a nice little profit but not a massive one unless all the add ons get activated over time.

The odd thing with this one is why he wasn't seemingly priced out of a move like Rudy & Rhodes were the owners supposedly set the bar high in order to keep them unless it's to good to refuse. If the manager had put a good word in, he did always seem to like Cairney, another of his favs poss then why haven't they set the bar high on TC ? A quick bit of cash needed I think and fortunately someone has set up a nice little deal and the player was willing to go along with it.

For me circa £3m for Cairney is good business whichever way you slice it up. I'd have been a bit frustrated if we hadn't accepted the offer, especially in our current financial plight.

[Mani]

In my opinion it is Bowyer, Shaw and Cheston.

Yes.

[JHRover]

So Bowyer is lying then?

Some people are saying that Bowyer, Shaw and Cheston advise the owners on what bids to accept and reject. That simply doesn't stack up with what Bowyer said in his press conference last week.

Bowyer made it clear he didn't want to lose Cairney and was very disappointed to see him go, but that the decision was made out of his hands and he had to accept it. So that seems to me that the owners are making decisions regardless of the manager's opinion.

[davulsukur]

But it doesn't mean they didn't ask for his advice first.

They might have asked Bowyer if it was a good offer and he replies with "yes but I don't think we should sell him"

The owners then sold Cairney, against Bowyers wishes but not behind his back.

[Athlete]

Let's get it right, Cairney has gone out of the door for approx. 2.7 mill and everything else is in add ons. Take off what he cost and a large sell on to Hull anywhere between 20 & 40% depending on who is correct, oh and the agents whack. It's a nice little profit but not a massive one unless all the add ons get activated over time.

The odd thing with this one is why he wasn't seemingly priced out of a move like Rudy & Rhodes were the owners supposedly set the bar high in order to keep them unless it's to good to refuse. If the manager had put a good word in, he did always seem to like Cairney, another of his favs poss then why haven't they set the bar high on TC ? A quick bit of cash needed I think and fortunately someone has set up a nice little deal and the player was willing to go along with it.

So someone or some folk get a nice little earner. a lot on this one as you suggest doesn't add up

As far as I'm concerned as soon as Venky's and every other parasite goes the better

If I was GB or any other manager for that matter were players were being sold without my agreement questions would be being asked and my position being contemplated

[JHRover]

But it doesn't mean they didn't ask for his advice first.

They might have asked Bowyer if it was a good offer and he replies with "yes but I don't think we should sell him"

The owners then sold Cairney, against Bowyers wishes but not behind his back.

So they go to the trouble of canvassing Bowyer's opinion, he tells them that he doesn't want to lose Cairney who is a huge part of his team both on and off the pitch, particularly to a league rival, and then they proceed to sell him anyway, causing even more difficulties in a squad already thin on the ground in terms of personnel and quality?

What's the point in asking him in the first place if they are just going to ignore his opinion?

Lets remember these are the people who in 6 weeks between the end of last season and the start of pre-season training haven't felt the need to have a proper meeting with the manager, haven't been to the UK and haven't felt any need to engage with or communicate with supporters who they should be wanting to buy as many season tickets as possible.

They couldn't care less, and I think it is far more likely they have authorised this sale without the slightest concern for the managers views or the fans views or the impact it will have on the squad.

[davulsukur]

So they go to the trouble of canvassing Bowyer's opinion, he tells them that he doesn't want to lose Cairney who is a huge part of his team both on and off the pitch, particularly to a league rival, and then they proceed to sell him anyway, causing even more difficulties in a squad already thin on the ground in terms of personnel and quality?

What's the point in asking him in the first place if they are just going to ignore his opinion?

Lets remember these are the people who in 6 weeks between the end of last season and the start of pre-season training haven't felt the need to have a proper meeting with the manager, haven't been to the UK and haven't felt any need to engage with or communicate with supporters who they should be wanting to buy as many season tickets as possible.

They couldn't care less, and I think it is far more likely they have authorised this sale without the slightest concern for the managers views or the fans views or the impact it will have on the squad.

Because they wanted to know if they offer was worth taking? If he (and the others people have mentioned) advised that the offer was too low, they would have rejected it.

Edit - You are probably correct in that they don't give a toss and just accepted it straight away with no advice from Bowyer. I'm just trying add a little balance, that's all.

[JAL]

In my opinion it is Bowyer, Shaw and Cheston.

So now it's more than just Gary Bowyer in charge of transfers.

[T J Hooker]

Even with hindsight, i think time playing tricks on your mind? In 96, Keane was 16 and yet to break into the Wolves team and Henry was a winger. Strange replacements for Shearer and £5m would definitely have been accepted.

Point taken though, we replaced very badly.

I remember us trying to sign the likes of oliver bierhoff(top top player at the time) and a young Patrick kluivert, neither where remotely interested in coming here, those that are under 25 may not realise that up until around the time of wengers french revolution('97/98 onwards) there where very few good quality foriegn players in the prem, most clubs had 1 or 2 but it was mainly just the big london clubs that had more, i think the bossman ruling played a masive role in getting more foriegn players in and also i think there was strict rulings of how many players you could have from outside of the eu(3 i think) so what im getting at kind of is that after shearer left there wasnt a big pool of players for us to choose from(and jw was pretty unwilling to pay high wages to just anybody, unless they where proven in thw prem)

[mustard]

I'd imagine the bid came in. Bowyer, Shaw and Venky's were discussing it, Cairney likely said how he wanted to leave to play in a team where he might be able to achieve promotion and so the decision was made to stop him kicking up a stink. I also found it quite strange how TC and the club were both silent after the move until fans raised their suspicions, then TC and Bowyer come out with statements thanking the opposite party. All seemed a bit forced. Personally, I feel Cairney found himself frustrated playing out wide, lost faith in Bowyer's ability as a manager and felt his chances were better served at Fulham. Reality of our situation today. The players know Bowyer got nowhere near promotion with a 40-goal strike force, freedom in the transfer market and backing from the owners. So what chance does he stand now we're under the embargo? The players ain't all dumb, they'll be able to see Bowyer is a dud (at least tactically, anyway).

[G Somerset Rover]

Just as an aside, is this Maguire lad very quick? If we're bringing in a winger/forward then pace must be a pre-requisite - GB admitted as much earlier in the summer.

[Butty]

Just as an aside, is this Maguire lad very quick? If we're bringing in a winger/forward then pace must be a pre-requisite - GB admitted as much earlier in the summer.

I wouldn't say he was particularly quick, I'd say he was similar to Marshall in that he's good with the ball at his feet and can hit the ball fairly well with both feet. Not a pacey player by any means but I hope we get him as I think he's a good player.

[McClarky]

What diffeence does it make, the fact is Cairney has gone and the owners, the MD and the manager have to agree how to manage the shambles between them.

[USABlue]

Giles Coke is apparently training with us in addition to Furman. Anybody know much about Cokey?

Apologies if this has already been posted, playing catch up.

Cokey and Furry?

[G Somerset Rover]

I wouldn't say he was particularly quick, I'd say he was similar to Marshall in that he's good with the ball at his feet and can hit the ball fairly well with both feet. Not a pacey player by any means but I hope we get him as I think he's a good player.

Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like he could be a useful addition but I really do hope that GB follows through on the pace addition. We were so one dimensional last season when King was injured/out of favour.

[tomphil]

For me circa £3m for Cairney is good business whichever way you slice it up. I'd have been a bit frustrated if we hadn't accepted the offer, especially in our current financial plight.

Yeah it's decent money considering his cost and poor effort last season but we are trying to fathom the reasons behind it. Bowyer has distanced himself from it a bit so it doesn't look like he's said to those above yeah it's good money and it's a position we can cover. You say financial plight but in the scheme of things it's absolute peanuts and not even a sell to buy because we can't do that. Only really effects the embargo if it's added to other outgoings.

What I'm saying is he's been sacrificed to get some quick cash in to pay the bills over summer and/or go towards paying off some of those still draining wages but not here anymore maybe. You'd think if Gaz had spoke to those in control about TC the way he's always talked him up in the press and said I really would like him to stay then they would have taken the make us a ridiculous offer or he stays stance rather than upsetting the manager. It's goes against the usual recent scenario that's why the debate.

[den]

Yes Tomphil. It was me that asked why they picked Cairney. As you say, the cash will make little difference if it's just a one-off sale, - even less if we replace him. So if it's a one-off, why? If it's not a one-off how many more and who will decide which players leave?

I still don't understand.

[tomphil]

The acid test will be if Sheff Weds back up their talk and make a serious play for Marshall. Couldn't see them paying more than the Cairney figure so we'd see what stance would be taken on that. Sell him for similar and I think we get the picture.

[RevidgeBlue]

As a one-off, it's no big deal. But, if the owners are going to continue to make the decisions of which player is going to be sold, rendering the manager basically impotent, then it's a disaster. Only time will tell.

To be fair this is nothing new for us as the Walker Trust made the decisions to sell the likes of Duff, Bentley and RSC. It's completely out of the manager's hands.

Just spoke to a Wednesday season ticket holder about Maquire:

"He's not the worse player I've seen, will get the odd goal, but goes missing (For months on end sometimes)"

He's also said the Coke is absolute rubbish, never a footballer, league 2 at best.

Sounds the perfect replacement for Cairney then!

Coke doesn't sound like "The real thing" at all. On that description sounds like another Brown.

[RevidgeBlue]

The acid test will be if Sheff Weds back up their talk and make a serious play for Marshall. Couldn't see them paying more than the Cairney figure so we'd see what stance would be taken on that. Sell him for similar and I think we get the picture.

Now that C. Taylor has re-signed I'd drive Marshall anywhere he wanted for 3.5m. In fact I'd far rather he'd been sold than Cairney. His performances and attitude stunk the place out in the second half of last season imo..

[LewisF]

Now that C. Taylor has re-signed I'd drive Marshall anywhere he wanted for 3.5m. In fact I'd far rather he'd been sold than Cairney. His performances and attitude stunk the place out in the second half of last season imo..

Up until Christmas Marshall was the dogs @#/?, absolutely fantastic. If he could stay like that for a whole season then I'd keep him, definitely

[The Rover of Finland]

Taylor deal and possible Maguire signing sounds very much like Marshall exit as there would be a fee atleast triple bigger than we paid. I really hope thst isn't the case.

[LewisF]

Has the rumour about Nicky Maynard been confirmed false?

[den]

To be fair this is nothing new for us as the Walker Trust made the decisions to sell the likes of Duff, Bentley and RSC. It's completely out of the manager's hands.

I don't think anyone has said it hasn't happened before Rev. That isn't really the discussion.

However, Duff and RSC had get out clauses while Bentley forced his way out.