[Archived] Is It Time To Protest Against Venkys?

[chris_h]

Obviously not. I didn't think they'd stick it out this long tbh but up to press they still appear to be here funding our losses.

Would you be happy if Venky's left tomorrow and the Club folded as a result?

Whilst they are here we survive at this level with a glimmer of hope that we can somehow regain our former status. If they leave we are very likely to cease to exist in our current form.

Anybody Acknowledging this Is not automatically a Venky apologist.

[Iceman]

Disagree with that Chris. We can survive with them gone, and there will be somebody out there who would buy us if the price is right. .

This is a great little project for somebody, to come in and rescue a fallen club. Somebody can become a legend of an owner, if they come in and restore us to our former glory.

[chris_h]

Disagree with that Chris. We can survive with them gone, and there will be somebody out there who would buy us if the price is right. .

This is a great little project for somebody, to come in and rescue a fallen club. Somebody can become a legend of an owner, if they come in and restore us to our former glory.

Unfortunately, there actually doesn't appear to be a white knight with extremely deep pockets who wants to pay for the mess somebody else (Venkys) made.

We are anything but a great little project for a non Rovers supporting millionaire/billionaire. The fan base is hemmed in on all sides and the population of the immediate hinterland is apathetic at best.

[Iceman]

Not saying there will be Chris, merely pointing out that if Venkys were to leave, they would have to find a buyer 1st. Unless they are willing to just leave , which in that case would be problematic for us.

But like I said, this is a great project for somebody to rebuild the mess caused by Venkys.

[chris_h]

I may be wrong but I don't believe that Venkys have to find a buyer before leaving. As far as I'm aware they can extracate themselves by various means and leave the debt with the club.

[Iceman]

Well yes, I did say if they just left us, we would be in a mess. Either way, its a real shame to see the club in this state.

[chris_h]

Of course it is.

[47er]

The danger is that soon all we will be left with are those super-optimists whom Glen described.

Thousands of former fans have already walked away. And have been referred to on here as "glory-hunters" by those who now complain about being put down.

We were relegated in the late nineties but attendances held up. Fans didn't walk away then because they had something to believe in.

There is nothing to believe in now and if there remain fans who believe otherwise then where is the evidence?

I mean "evidence" not just some dumb belief that everything will turn out alright in the end.

[Jock]

I can't believe some people still think we'll get a sniff of promotion this season. The spin must be working. Heard LT reporter on Talk5hite spouting the Gazza improves players and is great in the transfer market line yesterday.

[roverandout]

Venkys mouthpeice that's all the telerag reporters is

[Parsonblue]

Not saying there will be Chris, merely pointing out that if Venkys were to leave, they would have to find a buyer 1st. Unless they are willing to just leave , which in that case would be problematic for us.

But like I said, this is a great project for somebody to rebuild the mess caused by Venkys.

Who in their right mind is going to take on a project that is losing millions each and every year? The only two owners we have had in the past who were prepared to take on that project were Jack and Lawrence Cotton and there were some 80 odd years between Cotton leaving and Jack arriving. Both were guys who were from the town and had industrial interests in the town. They were Blackburn through and through and that is what made the difference. Any buyer is going to inherit the debt unless you are suggesting the Venky's will simply write it off and there is nothing to suggest that will happen. As yet nobody seems able to give a credible alternative to Venkys just some vague hope that "everything will be alright on the night once they've gone." Sorry, but if you want folk to protest there has to be a credible alternative put forward and as yet there isn't. Protesting for the sake of protesting is just gesture politics - it's what we did in our student days in the dim and distant past. Put forward credible solutions and more people might listen. Many of the fans who are left are those who witnessed a similar decline from the mid 60's to mid 70s so are unlikely to walk away because we are mid-table in the Championship.

[Iceman]

Calm down PB, I did say that if Venkys were to leave, that they would either just run, or they would have to find a buyer. If its the latter, and they found a buyer, the buyer would in any case treat it as a personal project to try and restore normality. I didn't mention anything about protesting I think, but there will be options, unless Venkys completely leaves us hanging and run for the hills of Pune.

[47er]

Many of the fans who are left are those who witnessed a similar decline from the mid 60's to mid 70s so are unlikely to walk away because we are mid-table in the Championship.

Bloody hell Parson! The Club won't receive much revenue from that group, they will mostly be on pensioner concession!

Our attending fans would look like a C of E congregation!

That's tantamount to a confession that the Club is dying.

[Parsonblue]

Bloody hell Parson! The Club won't receive much revenue from that group, they will mostly be on pensioner concession!

Our attending fans would look like a C of E congregation!

That's tantamount to a confession that the Club is dying.

That's my point 47er, those fans are very unlikely to protest unless there is a real and tangible alternative put forward. Haven't you heard 47er, the 'grey brigade' are the ones who seem to wield most influence considering how every politician tries to buy our votes. But that's a different story

[matt83]

Perhaps the best protest is actually walking away. The 2 options appear to be back the club/venkys or don't in which case we could go bust. I'd be happy watching rovers in the non league such is my hatred of the owners but I know many 1000 wouldn't consider that.

As attendances down 10,000 anyway and likely to go down again maybe they've all got it right. My only issue is I want to support the players but perhaps it's impossible to support the players and the club (venkys) in which case could be time to give up until the venkys go.

[Gav]

you don't have to have deep pockets to keep this football club going, the trust had nothing, kept us going and competitive, so let's put that one to bed now.

The majority of fans seem happy to be shafted, some even think Venkys are doing a good job FFS.

All we can hope for is administration so everyone's hands forced, then maybe we can start to recover, until then enjoy the ride, most of you deserve it.

[chris_h]

you don't have to have deep pockets to keep this football club going, the trust had nothing, kept us going and competitive, so let's put that one to bed now.

The majority of fans seem happy to be shafted, some even think Venkys are doing a good job FFS.

All we can hope for is administration so everyone's hands forced, then maybe we can start to recover, until then enjoy the ride, most of you deserve it.

The trust had sky money Gav.

You say 'let's put this to bed' and 'let's put that to rest now' but these aren't answers to very serious questions. Anyone who wants to own and properly run a Championship football club needs to have access to serious funding, surely? Even the moneyball bloke at Brentford is a multi millionaire. Which multi millionaire is going to bail us out and finance us into the future.............or just stop us from going to the wall?

[roverandout]

A sheik businessman?

[47er]

That's my point 47er, those fans are very unlikely to protest unless there is a real and tangible alternative put forward. Haven't you heard 47er, the 'grey brigade' are the ones who seem to wield most influence considering how every politician tries to buy our votes. But that's a different story

So you're agreeing with me? The Club is dying under Venky ownership?

[Iceman]

The trust had sky money Gav.

You say 'let's put this to bed' and 'let's put that to rest now' but these aren't answers to very serious questions. Anyone who wants to own and properly run a Championship football club needs to have access to serious funding, surely? Even the moneyball bloke at Brentford is a multi millionaire. Which multi millionaire is going to bail us out and finance us into the future.............or just stop us from going to the wall?

Nonsense Chris, access to what money? If that was the case, Venkys have enough money. FFP doesn't even allow for owners to cover losses through their own pockets. The trust had Sky money, but seriously, it was a hard hard slog for previous management to spend any serious money. Hughes eg was pretty incredible in finding bargains, and hardly spent huge amounts of that Sky money.

So , its not that Venkys have no money, its the fact that the money that was invested, spent etc were seriously mismanaged by the board in the last 5 years on crap. That is the reason why we are in debt, and why we are under an embargo.

[Parsonblue]

So you're agreeing with me? The Club is dying under Venky ownership?

The club is still going 47er and where there is life there is hope. People thought the club was dying in the early 70s but we are still here and have achieved tremendous things since those Third Division days. So no, I don't believe the club is dying. Struggling most definitely and no doubt some grim times are ahead of us but, as I say, where there is life there is hope.

[47er]

Where there is Venkys there is no hope.

Losing or not attracting younger generations is just another nail in the coffin.

No point in trying to draw lessons fron the 70's and finding hope there.

This crisis is unprecedented in our history.

[Gav]

The trust had sky money Gav.

You say 'let's put this to bed' and 'let's put that to rest now' but these aren't answers to very serious questions. Anyone who wants to own and properly run a Championship football club needs to have access to serious funding, surely? Even the moneyball bloke at Brentford is a multi millionaire. Which multi millionaire is going to bail us out and finance us into the future.............or just stop us from going to the wall?

Chris we're going to the wall under Venkys, look at the debt pal, look at the side and the quality of player, look at the gates.

The clubs dying under Venkys, no buyer is going to come forward whilst they own the club, we need administration and quick.

[chris_h]

Chris we're going to the wall under Venkys, look at the debt pal, look at the side and the quality of player, look at the gates.

The clubs dying under Venkys, no buyer is going to come forward whilst they own the club, we need administration and quick.

Rangers went into administration and some local companies who were owed money by the club lost thousands. One or two went out of business. Some people who were Rangers through and through vowed never to go to Ibrox again. Luckily for them they have a huge fan base to fund their resurrection and they have survived (just)

Us?

[Gav]

Rangers went into administration and some local companies who were owed money by the club lost thousands. One or two went out of business. Some people who were Rangers through and through vowed never to go to Ibrox again. Luckily for them they have a huge fan base to fund their resurrection and they have survived (just)

Us?

We've not gone into administration yet and plenty have vowed never to return.

A number of businesses went out of business when we got relegated, people lost their jobs, all through mismanagement by the thick owners.

Where will we be in 2yrs time with Venkys? 150m in debt and league 1?

I'd rather roll the dice and take our chances, the debt is serviceable at current levels, just.