[Archived] Is It Time To Protest Against Venkys?

[chris_h]

We've not gone into administration yet and plenty have vowed never to return.

A number of businesses went out of business when we got relegated, people lost their jobs, all through mismanagement by the thick owners.

Where will we be in 2yrs time with Venkys? 150m in debt and league 1?

I'd rather roll the dice and take our chances, the debt is serviceable at current levels, just.

Yes, the owners are thick but they are the ones servicing the debt. As Gordon pithily put it "when your lifeboat is leaking you don't chuck the only person with a bucket overboard."

I'd love nothing more than having the two Ian's running a club handed over debt free. Whilst I wait for that pipe dream Gav I need more than "it will never happen to Rovers" to stop me nightmaring about the death of the club.

[Jock]

The Club has been abused for 5 years but still some supporters don't want Venkys out. All I can think is that they've crushed our fan base. There's no fight left.

[chris_h]

The Club has been abused for 5 years but still some supporters don't want Venkys out. All I can think is that they've crushed our fan base. There's no fight left.

I want them out Jock, just not at any price.

[Bucksrover]

A good debate between Chris and Gav.

I think that everyone agrees that things were far better before Venky's arrived.

In terms of what is best from now on nobody knows, but on one side of most rows on here you have those who think we are doomed under venkys anyway so we might as well get on with it, along with some who just have so much anger for venkys they would see rovers burn just to be rid.

On the other side you have those, currently myself included, who think there will be nobody crazy enough to come in and pay to subsidise our losses every month if Venkys go. I also agree that you can't compare us with the resurection of rangers as they have far more fans.

If venkys go by putting us into administration then I would imagine that to recover costs Ewood and Brockhall get sold - and I don't think we would ever get them back.

As I said before, nobody knows who is right because there are unknowns. If a rich and wise owner took over from venkys then we may be better off, if nobody rich saved us I fear the club would crumble quickly.

My hope is that, having trimmed a lot of cost, and brought in a few quid in sales, if we can get a few more down ewood then we can shuffle slowly towards recovery. I am so pleased the likes of Best and Orr have gone.

One thing I am sure of - referring to those who want venkys out now at any cost as 'hardcore' fans and those who are worried that if they go we will go into administration as Venky lovers, is completely missing the concerns of those of us who are fearful at the prospect of losing the last gifts of Jack Walker's legacy.

[Gav]

Some good points Bucks, it often gets lost on here but we all want what's best for Blackburn Rovers, but we all want to go about it in different ways, nowt wrong with that.

Our situation on the pitch can't get any better even when we're out of FFP, we need to cut our cloth and Venkys won't bankroll a promotion push we all know that, so unless we're really lucky it's mid table championship at best, is that where we want to be?

[roverandout]

I have no problem with people arguing 'if there is no one better, we could end up folding', what I can't stand are those deluded supporters who think venkys have some how turned it around and are great owners bla bla bla

[chris_h]

I have no problem with people arguing 'if there is no one better, we could end up folding', what I can't stand are those deluded supporters who think venkys have some how turned it around and are great owners bla bla bla

Who thinks that?

(Is this me stalking you by the way? Just so I'm clear)

[Coatbridge rover]

I was in the pub and some young lads were talking about this.Seems many think venkys may walk away with this summers cash.

[Gav]

I was in the pub and some young lads were talking about this.Seems many think venkys may walk away with this summers cash.

We can only hope...

Until they leave the club can't start to recover, it's as simple as that for me.

[Hasta]

Our situation on the pitch can't get any better even when we're out of FFP, we need to cut our cloth and Venkys won't bankroll a promotion push we all know that, so unless we're really lucky it's mid table championship at best, is that where we want to be?

Ideally we want to be in the premier league but I've not heard many realistic scenarios that pan out any better than having our cloth trimmed and mid table championship at best.

If we ever want to return, realistically we are looking at one off season of a manager getting our squad to over perform and pull off an against the odds promotion. Annoyingly with Venkys, there are a lot of things that have happened and happening that they cannot change. However the manager is one that they can and refuse to - probably because their days of taking expensive risks with Rovers have gone. Bowyer is not the man to pull off the shock promotion but may well be the best available to cut the cloth.

I want Venkys gone. I'd rather find a different exit strategy from my point of view than us ending up non-league and starting again.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Where there is Venkys there is no hope.

Losing or not attracting younger generations is just another nail in the coffin.

No point in trying to draw lessons fron the 70's and finding hope there.

This crisis is unprecedented in our history.

Yet there are STILL people who don't/won't grasp the gravitas of this very serious situation.

Unprecedented Indeed.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Spoke to a number of people today who were full of praise for Venkys and was feeling positive about our squad and teams chances this season.

They were fully behind Bowyer and Venkys and were hoping negative fans stay at home so they can enjoy what rovers have to offer this season .

These were not isolated fans, but quite a number I bumped into during the day.

They were of the opinion that rovers as a club has played a blinder the last 18 months and the club is very much a well run club again.

This is certainly not my thoughts , but suggest whats left of our support will now just take everything on the chin without an eyelid blinked

Am I the only person who reads your posts with an increasingly sceptical eye, wondering what is the agenda behind them?

[Coatbridge rover]

I was in the pub and some young lads were talking about this.Seems many think venkys may walk away with this summers cash.

[Exiled in Toronto]

you don't have to have deep pockets to keep this football club going, the trust had nothing, kept us going and competitive, so let's put that one to bed now.

The majority of fans seem happy to be shafted, some even think Venkys are doing a good job FFS.

All we can hope for is administration so everyone's hands forced, then maybe we can start to recover, until then enjoy the ride, most of you deserve it.

The word bunkum springs to mind. The annual losses are tens of millions. Without someone's deep pockets the club would run out of cash in the first week. Everyone would be laid off, nobody would get paid. Perhaps you could announce the layoffs, telling the 200+ staff this is a good thing. They were going to lose their jobs eventually so the sooner they get it over with the better!

As to the Trust having nothing, you do recall their sole purpose was to administer Jack's 600 million quid fortune? Who do you think paid for Andy Cole to stop us going straight back down?

You also do realise that constantly calling for action on here, to the same thirty active posters, doesn't actually count as doing anything at all?

Sometimes in life there are no good options, ask anyone with an incurable illness. Sometimes, the best plan is to just hang on in there hoping for an unexpected development or change in circumstances, think Churchill in 1940. Things won't improve till Venky's are gone; it's how and when they go and who takes over that's the issue.

[AllRoverAsia]

Am I the only person who reads your posts with an incresingly sceptical eye, wondering what is the agenda behind them?

No EiT, you are not alone.

[Mike E]

Am I the only person who reads your posts with an increasingly sceptical eye, wondering what is the agenda behind them?

Not just you.

[Gav]

The word bunk-a-dowahdiddydiddydumdiddydoo springs to mind. The annual losses are tens of millions. Without someone's deep pockets the club would run out of cash in the first week. Everyone would be laid off, nobody would get paid. Perhaps you could announce the layoffs, telling the 200+ staff this is a good thing. They were going to lose their jobs eventually so the sooner they get it over with the better!

You also do realise that constantly calling for action on here, to the same thirty active posters, doesn't actually count as doing anything at all?

Sometimes in life there are no good options,.

You're clearly out of touch, not your fault living away from the area but plenty of people have already lost their jobs because of the owners.

As for preaching to the same 30 people, where do you suggest I air my views?

Keep hiding behind excuses EIT, you're in good company, we've another 10,000 on a match day and another 20 on here, all seem happy to accept 'there are no good options'

Laughable.

[yoda]

I was in the pub and some young lads were talking about this.Seems many think venkys may walk away with this summers cash.

[47er]

Not just you.

I believe Glen has an agenda and always has had. Its to get the best for Rovers.

[RevidgeBlue]

Who in their right mind is going to take on a project that is losing millions each and every year? The only two owners we have had in the past who were prepared to take on that project were Jack and Lawrence Cotton and there were some 80 odd years between Cotton leaving and Jack arriving. Both were guys who were from the town and had industrial interests in the town. They were Blackburn through and through and that is what made the difference. Any buyer is going to inherit the debt unless you are suggesting the Venky's will simply write it off and there is nothing to suggest that will happen. As yet nobody seems able to give a credible alternative to Venkys just some vague hope that "everything will be alright on the night once they've gone." Sorry, but if you want folk to protest there has to be a credible alternative put forward and as yet there isn't. Protesting for the sake of protesting is just gesture politics - it's what we did in our student days in the dim and distant past. Put forward credible solutions and more people might listen. Many of the fans who are left are those who witnessed a similar decline from the mid 60's to mid 70s so are unlikely to walk away because we are mid-table in the Championship.

Well said Parson, that's exactly what I think about the situation and I think you've expressed it a lot more clearly and concisely than me.

Instead of protesting against the owners, who currently appear to be the only thing preventing us from going to the wall, why don't people channel their time and energy into finding the next Lawrence Cotton or the next Jack Walker? Then there would be a realistic alternative and I doubt anyone would not be in favour of Venky's stepping aside.

[West Yorks Rover]

Well said Parson, that's exactly what I think about the situation and I think you've expressed it a lot more clearly and concisely than me.

Instead of protesting against the owners, who currently appear to be the only thing preventing us from going to the wall, why don't people channel their time and energy into finding the next Lawrence Cotton or the next Jack Walker? Then there would be a realistic alternative and I doubt anyone would not be in favour of Venky's stepping aside.

The trouble is Venky's would still refuse to talk to them.

Now if we could get the Queen interested, they'd be over like a shot.

[matt83]

Well said Parson, that's exactly what I think about the situation and I think you've expressed it a lot more clearly and concisely than me.

Instead of protesting against the owners, who currently appear to be the only thing preventing us from going to the wall, why don't people channel their time and energy into finding the next Lawrence Cotton or the next Jack Walker? Then there would be a realistic alternative and I doubt anyone would not be in favour of Venky's stepping aside.

Well how do we have any chance of flushing out anyone interested in buying the club. They first need to put it up for sale.

There may be no takers (prob won't be due to the mess venkys have made) but while they are doing this is my baby bit how will we truly know if someone isn't interested.

[Gav]

Come December you'll all be up in arms because the current situation doesn't get any better and just because we don't have a buyer doesn't mean we have to stick with Venkys.

Carrying on Selling your souls to the very people that have destroyed this club is disgusting in my opinion.

i think the clubs worth fighting for.

[Iceman]

Who says there are no buyers if Venkys want to sell? All this talk about nobody being interested, because of the amount of debt is just plain rubbish. If Venkys can put the for sale board up, we will have a better understanding if there really is nobody interested

[Exiled in Toronto]

You're clearly out of touch, not your fault living away from the area but plenty of people have already lost their jobs because of the owners.

As for preaching to the same 30 people, where do you suggest I air my views?

Keep hiding behind excuses EIT, you're in good company, we've another 10,000 on a match day and another 20 on here, all seem happy to accept 'there are no good options'

Laughable.

I was more suggesting that airing your views, particularly on here, is just meaningless hot air. Equally as effective as me sat on my arse watching a baseball game on tv here.

A couple more hundred jobs shouldn't make much difference then should it. You'll be doing them a favour really.

Keep blaming the 10,020 fans for not joining you in, errr, what is it you are doing again? Though the messageborad could indeed do with all that new blood.