[Archived] Is It Time To Protest Against Venkys?

[RevidgeBlue]

Come December you'll all be up in arms because the current situation doesn't get any better and just because we don't have a buyer doesn't mean we have to stick with Venkys.

Carrying on Selling your souls to the very people that have destroyed this club is disgusting in my opinion.

i think the clubs worth fighting for.

You still haven't answered my question GAV. What do you think will happen if Venky's left tomorrow?

Who pays next month's wages?

[Athlete]

Who says there are no buyers if Venkys want to sell? All this talk about nobody being interested, because of the amount of debt is just plain rubbish. If Venkys can put the for sale board up, we will have a better understanding if there really is nobody interested

The club is one tier down from the Premiership of course people will be interested with the latest TV deal on offer in the Prem it's a no brainer to get involved with any club in the Championship and analysts are predicting in a few years time the Premier league riches will be even bigger with a Qatari TV company entering the game

[Iceman]

Which again tells me, that is one of the main reasons Venkys are sticking around. They know exactly what they are doing.

[Gav]

You still haven't answered my question GAV. What do you think will happen if Venky's left tomorrow?

Who pays next month's wages?

The same people that paid Portsmouth, Rangers, Bournemouth and Leeds.

No club has gone out of business due to crippling debts at our level, it simply doesn't happen Simon.

[Gav]

I was more suggesting that airing your views, particularly on here, is just meaningless hot air. Equally as effective as me sat on my arse watching a baseball game on tv here.

A couple more hundred jobs shouldn't make much difference then should it. You'll be doing them a favour really.

Keep blaming the 10,020 fans for not joining you in, errr, what is it you are doing again? Though the messageborad could indeed do with all that new blood.

Its not a willy waving competition but I was front and center in trying to do something different in getting that **** k*** out, did it work? probably not, but I wasn't sat in Canada stuffing my face with pop corn asking what someone in Blackburn is doing to get rid of that rat.

As for jobs, you're about 3yrs to late on that score, the community side of the club went years back, loads lost their jobs, I don't recall you mentioning it once John

Anyway I'm not falling out with you, its not worth it.

[Mike E]

I believe Glen has an agenda and always has had. Its to get the best for Rovers.

2 years ago I'd have agreed. I'm sceptical now though only because the entire scenario with the owners is cloak and dagger.

Promising to release the dossier then not doing, as well as being friendly with the ridiculous Malaysian pundit is a good enough reason to be sceptical imo.

[K-Hod]

Come December you'll all be up in arms because the current situation doesn't get any better and just because we don't have a buyer doesn't mean we have to stick with Venkys.

Carrying on Selling your souls to the very people that have destroyed this club is disgusting in my opinion.

i think the clubs worth fighting for.

We obviously need to get rid of Venky's, but just forcing them out then taking the crossing that bridge when we come to it approach when they are gone is no more guarantee of a better future in the short term. The club absolutely is worth fighting for, and I will fight for it.

Gesticulating on the Internet and criticising people for not agreeing with you, with respect Gav, won't get anything done any better.

[Gav]

Its not his dossier to release I'd imagine, but the groups relationship, not Glens, with Shebby shows what a shambles the club was then and still is now.

The club has never been in more danger, where are BRAG and the other groups when you need them?

Heads in sand or happy with the current situation?

We obviously need to get rid of Venky's, but just forcing them out then taking the crossing that bridge when we come to it approach when they are gone is no more guarantee of a better future in the short term. The club absolutely is worth fighting for, and I will fight for it.
Gesticulating on the Internet and criticising people for not agreeing with you, with respect Gav, won't get anything done any better.

Thats not my intention, maybe my frustration is spilling over, if so I apologies.

I'm sick to death of reading people saying we have to stick with Venkys as its the only option, its the easy option, not the only option.

[BlooBoy]

Its not his dossier to release I'd imagine, but the groups relationship, not Glens, with Shebby shows what a shambles the club was then and still is now.

The club has never been in more danger, where are BRAG and the other groups when you need them?

Heads in sand or happy with the current situation?

Thats not my intention, maybe my frustration is spilling over, if so I apologies.

I'm sick to death of reading people saying we have to stick with Venkys as its the only option, its the easy option, not the only option.

...and the other option is ,,,?

[K-Hod]

You're right to be frustrated mate, hell, I think that's why the tone on here is so snappy in general!

Getting Venky's out has to be the end game, but that's simply the start of the rebuilding process.

[Gav]

...and the other option is ,,,?

GET THEM OUT, or at least make them stand up and realise we exist as a group of supporters and we're not happy.

They think we appreciate their efforts, and some fans really do!

[BlooBoy]

GET THEM OUT, or at least make them stand up and realise we exist as a group of supporters and we're not happy.

They think we appreciate their efforts, and some fans really do!

Well yes ...i gathered that

...and how ..?

[matt83]

...and the other option is ,,,?

One option would be to show our regal owners they are not welcome and try to force them to put us on the market with a view to selling to less incompetent owners.

It may all fail but it seems everyone wants the venkys gone without doing or even talking about doing anything to risk upsetting them. If no one shows them how we feel they will just assume everyone is happy with what they're doing.

Well yes ...i gathered that

...and how ..?

Mass protests and disorder would be one way. Boycotting the other

[BlooBoy]

One option would be to show our regal owners they are not welcome and try to force them to put us on the market with a view to selling to less incompetent owners.

It may all fail but it seems everyone wants the venkys gone without doing or even talking about doing anything to risk upsetting them. If no one shows them how we feel they will just assume everyone is happy with what they're doing.

Mass protests and disorder would be one way. Boycotting the other

Just needs someone to have the balls to lead the masses i presume ...?

[Gav]

Well yes ...i gathered that

...and how ..?

You tell me, what would you suggest?

[matt83]

Just needs someone to have the balls to lead the masses i presume ...?

Well quite and ill begrudgingly admit I'm not that man. More of a foot solider. I thought glen for all the jibes at him did an admirable job first time round.

First though we have to get the majority of rovers fans on the same page. Take the Kean protests I'm guessing 99% of the 20,000 home fans wanted him out but only 200-500 bothered to do anything about it. So we were dismissed as cranks in the 1% minority.

In fact I missed the arsenal protest where kean made the 1% claims and "the rest of the fans are behind me" so I thought never again would I be counted by him as being behind him. Presumably those who didn't bother protesting did support kean or at least didn't care. We can't have another low turn out protest it would be manipulated in the same way as kean did. Or again maybe for all the talk the majority are really behind the venkys. I just don't know anymore.

[K-Hod]

I think some people saw how we were getting done up in the media like a kipper and felt helpless. I know I definitely did! Anderson 's greasy PR machine had the nation turned against us. :-(

[BlooBoy]

You tell me, what would you suggest?

You seem rather vocal on this GAV..i ve put my suggestion up.

Meanwhile ..you asked someone else rather than yourself to collar Shaw on the car park and suggested bringing in the Pool supporters ..

Leading from the front ..i like it ...

[Gav]

You seem rather vocal on this GAV..i ve put my suggestion up.

Meanwhile ..you asked someone else rather than yourself to collar Shaw on the car park and suggested bringing in the Pool supporters ..

Leading from the front ..i like it ...

And I've put mine up also, so why to need to ask again when you already know is strange wouldn't you say?

[TBTF]

The trouble is Venky's would still refuse to talk to them.

Now if we could get the Queen interested, they'd be over like a shot.

Yes WYR, you have nailed it in one. I think the general view on here is that given where we have all been in the last 5 years with Venkys the preferred option would be local people who know how to run businesses and have Rovers in their blood. There might not be many of them but....

In my opinion I think the chances of Venkys getting anything back for the club in a sale situation is now quite far fetched and I think even they would be glad to cut their losses and run for the Pune hills. That would mean that the incoming party would start off debt free but would need enough working capital to get the club functioning again and slowly starting to build some new foundations.

Of all the parties that have popped up , I think the 2 Ian's would be by far the best option because :

a) they run businesses and have done for years

b ) have connections to the right kind of money that would be needed

c) are both Rovers daft

d) wouldn't be here to rape the Club

Its probably not an ideal solution but we are not dealing with an ideal situation.

If that's was the scenario , would people back it?? And that is an important question because if we are still squabbling at that point then really I don't know where we go and would fans come back to the ground and support a regime like that???

Or is it the mystical Qatari family that we all crave??

I think it is important to get to the bottom of that kind of question because it seems to me we have a split on those wanting the Club back in its community with its local identity rediscovered versus those that think you have to have billions to make it viable. I think the two are very, very different ambitions. It would be interesting to know where people stand .

If its the Ians , then a campaign /protest aimed at getting Venkys to speak with them is a lot more of a realistic reason to protest than something that resembles the Tooting Popular Front.

[RevidgeBlue]

The trouble is Venky's would still refuse to talk to them.

Now if we could get the Queen interested, they'd be over like a shot.

They might not wish to talk with someone who clearly hasn't got the money to either buy the Club or fund it going forward but what if someone genuinely minted came in and said "There's 150m sitting in the client account of my Solicitor's for you. You can walk away from all this hassle and aggravation without it costing you a single penny." I'm pretty sure they'd be willing to talk then.

Not going to happen as the person in question would probably have to be clinically insane but you see my point.

[TBTF]

They might not wish to talk with someone who clearly hasn't got the money to either buy the Club or fund it going forward but what if someone genuinely minted came in and said "There's 150m sitting in the client account of my Solicitor's for you. You can walk away from all this hassle and aggravation without it costing you a single penny." I'm pretty sure they'd be willing to talk then.

Not going to happen as the person in question would probably have to be clinically insane but you see my point.

Even they must realise by now that annual income which has plummeted to £6million and is still falling means the Club has negligible sale value. This is about getting out without having to blow another fortune.

If that penny hasnt yet dropped or they are hanging on in the hope of recovering some of their outlay then they are going to be here for a long time yet.

Lodging £150million somewhere is probably all that they did when they wanted to buy the Club and it meant feck all then in terms of capability.

[RevidgeBlue]

Yes WYR, you have nailed it in one. I think the general view on here is that given where we have all been in the last 5 years with Venkys the preferred option would be local people who know how to run businesses and have Rovers in their blood. There might not be many of them but....

In my opinion I think the chances of Venkys getting anything back for the club in a sale situation is now quite far fetched and I think even they would be glad to cut their losses and run for the Pune hills. That would mean that the incoming party would start off debt free but would need enough working capital to get the club functioning again and slowly starting to build some new foundations.

Of all the parties that have popped up , I think the 2 Ian's would be by far the best option because :

a) they run businesses and have done for years

b ) have connections to the right kind of money that would be needed

c) are both Rovers daft

d) wouldn't be here to rape the Club

Its probably not an ideal solution but we are not dealing with an ideal situation.

If that's was the scenario , would people back it?? And that is an important question because if we are still squabbling at that point then really I don't know where we go and would fans come back to the ground and support a regime like that???

Or is it the mystical Qatari family that we all crave??

I think it is important to get to the bottom of that kind of question because it seems to me we have a split on those wanting the Club back in its community with its local identity rediscovered versus those that think you have to have billions to make it viable. I think the two are very, very different ambitions. It would be interesting to know where people stand .

If its the Ians , then a campaign /protest aimed at getting Venkys to speak with them is a lot more of a realistic reason to protest than something that resembles the Tooting Popular Front.

They might not wish to talk with someone who clearly hasn't got the money to either buy the Club or fund it going forward but what if someone genuinely minted came in and said "There's 150m sitting in the client account of my Solicitor's for you. You can walk away from all this hassle and aggravation without it costing you a single penny." I'm pretty sure they'd be willing to talk then.

Not going to happen as the person in question would probably have to be clinically insane but you see my point.

Yes WYR, you have nailed it in one. I think the general view on here is that given where we have all been in the last 5 years with Venkys the preferred option would be local people who know how to run businesses and have Rovers in their blood. There might not be many of them but....

In my opinion I think the chances of Venkys getting anything back for the club in a sale situation is now quite far fetched and I think even they would be glad to cut their losses and run for the Pune hills. That would mean that the incoming party would start off debt free but would need enough working capital to get the club functioning again and slowly starting to build some new foundations.

Of all the parties that have popped up , I think the 2 Ian's would be by far the best option because :

a) they run businesses and have done for years

b ) have connections to the right kind of money that would be needed

c) are both Rovers daft

d) wouldn't be here to rape the Club

Its probably not an ideal solution but we are not dealing with an ideal situation.

If that's was the scenario , would people back it?? And that is an important question because if we are still squabbling at that point then really I don't know where we go and would fans come back to the ground and support a regime like that???

Or is it the mystical Qatari family that we all crave??

I think it is important to get to the bottom of that kind of question because it seems to me we have a split on those wanting the Club back in its community with its local identity rediscovered versus those that think you have to have billions to make it viable. I think the two are very, very different ambitions. It would be interesting to know where people stand .

If its the Ians , then a campaign /protest aimed at getting Venkys to speak with them is a lot more of a realistic reason to protest than something that resembles the Tooting Popular Front.

The problem with the two Ians, and this was a concern that was never properly answered at the time is who would be backing them and what would be their expectations?

Would it be for example a group of wealthy investors expecting an overall return of 10% p.a. on their investment?

Venky's have according to the last accounts pumped 25m into the Club with no prima face expectation it ever be repaid. You'd arguably be better off sticking with them as owners but persuading them to turn over the day to day running of the Club to someone else.

Then they wouldn't agree to that I suppose so ground hog day and back to square one I guess.

[TBTF]

The problem with the two Ians, and this was a concern that was never properly answered at the time is who would be backing them and what would be their expectations?

Would it be for example a group of wealthy investors expecting an overall return of 10% p.a. on their investment?

Venky's have according to the last accounts pumped 25m into the Club with no prima face expectation it ever be repaid. You'd arguably be better off sticking with them as owners but persuading them to turn over the day to day running of the Club to someone else.

Then they wouldn't agree to that I suppose so ground hog day and back to square one I guess.

I know Rev, I don't disagree with you. To me the Ian's wouldn't come in if it wasn't a viable plan that had some degree of credibility and we will never know who is backing them I guess but it isn't really for us to know. If 2 proper Rovers fans with good business credentials got stuck in woudl we back them (as an alternative to ground hog day)??

I am just trying to get a feel for what people want to see and going back to the title of this thread?

I was just trying to see if there was any kind of appetite for a worthwhile cause and whether we could actually simplify that cause into something that wasn't off the scale impossible or ridiculed by the National Press.

If we thought the Ian's were worth a shot (and assuming they still want a shot!!) then a campaign to get Venkys to at least talk to them in some form and get the local channels open wouldn't be an outlandish ask. If the only outcome was getting rid of Shelfy and Myers and getting some proper Guys in to work with and actually help and advise Venkys with ''Rovers Only'' interests at heart , I would feel like we had won the league!!

[onlyonejackwalker]

The problem as always is perception. Wigan, Bolton and Blackpool all had terrible seasons and yet we are discussing protesting when finishing in mid table. The likes of Leeds and Wednesday below us. We know the script but few outsiders realise or care. Heck, even lots of our fans have either left, or meekly accepted circumstances seemingly resigned to our fate. I genuinely do not feel the collective will remains. Divide and conquer. We are not even united on here. A fractured support base with nothing to trust or believe in.

It's got to be done much cuter than what's been seen before. Ive got a few ideas, all based around ict, access to information, ease of communication, social media and a concerted e-campaign. Instead of feeezing my nads off on Bolton Road losing the PR battle in an angry mob, it could be handled much better. Are signs and banners allowed on the ground? If access was available to current and former customer email databases that would be a good start. Unite the fans. Until that day arrives any campaign will struggle.