[Archived] Is It Time To Protest Against Venkys?

[ABBEY]

its not K its a fact or its not a fact. If its fact it makes him close to Pune because noone else knows for fact.

[K-Hod]

That's one of the main frustrations with this lot, we have absolutely no idea what they're going to do, their intentions or anything.

Though it's probably not unreasonable to expect the worst, as they haven't been good at all for BRFC!

[ABBEY]

exactly ,,,but posts like paefell did put things as fact when it isnt proven as such.

[imy9]

That's one of the main frustrations with this lot, we have absolutely no idea what they're going to do, their intentions or anything.

Though it's probably not unreasonable to expect the worst, as they haven't been good at all for BRFC!

Agreed. However they have just put in another 20 odd million pounds into the running of the club which suggests that they are not going anywhere.

Fools and their money and all that.

[broadsword]

What on earth they get out of it, I don't know.

It's misery for us, and probably for them too.

If they wrote the debts off and sold the club for £1, that would be better for them financially than keeping the club for another 10 years?

[PAFELL]

Whatever floats your boat Abbey.

But until the day somebody comes along buys the club, clears the debts - we are stuck. FACT

Has anybody come to try to buy the club? NO THE CLUB IS PROBABLE UNSELLABLE BY NOW

Has anybody offered to pay off the debts? NO CLUB STILL HAS A LARGE DEBT

Venkys go, club folds. With nobody around interested or able in bringing the club out of administration. ROVERS DON'T AND CAN'T FILL EWOOD PARK. ANY BUYER COULD LOOK AT EWOOD, EMPTY SEATS SHOWS TOWNS LACK OF INTEREST IN IT'S FOOTBALL CLUB. SO WHAT INTEREST CAN THE CLUB GENERATE TO A 'POTENTIAL' BUYER?

Recently my mate and I were asked to look after a struggling pub for 3 months. which is why I haven't been on here that much recently. Town folk were saying they were not using the pub because of a group of trouble makers - we got rid of the trouble makers - the easy part. Yet still folk didn't use the pub, even when they knew a bloke wanted to heavily invest in it. The result was the investor walked away saying if the town isn't interested, why should I be. Sadly, that reminded me of Rovers at the moment. Possible the only way to get rid of venkys is fill Ewood park - which could show a possible buyer that the town wants it's football club.

The cold cold sad reality the club is in. FACT - VENKYS ARE PICKING UP THE BILLS

I hate Venkys as much as any man. But until somebody comes along, mega rich, club is stuck. As things stand at the moment it is Venkys or no club at all. FACT

[Jock]

So we all agree that Venkys have ruined the club and made it so bad that nobody would ever want to buy it?

[gumboots]

The problem is that to even half fill Ewood someone somehow has to bring back the sense of anticipation, to make people WANT to be there because they just might miss something if they're not. I used to feel like that. It didn't matter if we lost a match, I'd still feel like it could happen next time. Now we know it won't. The cup upset wasn't an upset - it was a totally predictable defeat. The Wolves defeat was expected by large numbers of fans, and even those who didn't anticipate it were not surprised by it. There's nothing other than loyalty that makes you get up and get ready to go to Ewood. Until the team actually starts putting in the kind of shift the manager sees them putting in, and brings back at least a frisson of pleasure, you won't get near filling the minimum of seats needed.

[PAFELL]

The problem is that to even half fill Ewood someone somehow has to bring back the sense of anticipation, to make people WANT to be there because they just might miss something if they're not. I used to feel like that. It didn't matter if we lost a match, I'd still feel like it could happen next time. Now we know it won't. The cup upset wasn't an upset - it was a totally predictable defeat. The Wolves defeat was expected by large numbers of fans, and even those who didn't anticipate it were not surprised by it. There's nothing other than loyalty that makes you get up and get ready to go to Ewood. Until the team actually starts putting in the kind of shift the manager sees them putting in, and brings back at least a frisson of pleasure, you won't get near filling the minimum of seats needed.

I agree with much of this post. Loyalty counts for a lot. But supporting your team through thick and thin is also part of being a supporter. Pre-Jack Walker, did any of us ever think we could progress as a club into the top flight, cup win etc. Yet we turned up anyway. For a brief spell Rovers were in the big time, sadly they are not now. We all know why.

But as supporters we have been here before. Maybe all we have left is passion, loyalty and hope.

My wife has a season ticket and travels up from Sussex each match. Didn't miss a league match at Ewood last season. I come when work dosen't get in the way.

Yet we're saddened when local folk can't or won't attend matches - their choice of course.

But we are not going to allow venkys or anybody else to destroy our passion for the club.

Supporting a football club will always bring it's fustrations - but that's football.

[Stuart]

The problem is that to even half fill Ewood someone somehow has to bring back the sense of anticipation, to make people WANT to be there because they just might miss something if they're not. I used to feel like that. It didn't matter if we lost a match, I'd still feel like it could happen next time. Now we know it won't. The cup upset wasn't an upset - it was a totally predictable defeat. The Wolves defeat was expected by large numbers of fans, and even those who didn't anticipate it were not surprised by it. There's nothing other than loyalty that makes you get up and get ready to go to Ewood. Until the team actually starts putting in the kind of shift the manager sees them putting in, and brings back at least a frisson of pleasure, you won't get near filling the minimum of seats needed.

Sadly true. I'll add to that.

Since we have been in the championship, there has been a (glass half full view) sense that we were no longer punching above our weight and that anyone can beat anyone - and that we could on a given day win against a so-called decent team.

After last season, it's starting to seem as though we can no longer say that. It's getting more like the previous "PL problem" of expecting to lose but hoping for an upset. This slow drip drip lowering of expectations is the new death by a thousand cuts.

Let's 'hope' we can upset the odds today.

[Baz]

The support is still there. Get a decent manager with a good squad in place winning some games and Ewood will soon start getting 20k fans again.

[Stuart]

The support is still there. Get a decent manager with a good squad in place winning some games and Ewood will soon start getting 20k fans again.

I agree with this.

But with Venkys, Shaw and Bowyer in place, and those fans closest to the club nodding in approval because they recognise what they are trying to do, we are instead more likely to see lower and lower gates.

It's very sad and very easy to change. It just needs someone to get through to Venkys - but who?

[PAFELL]

I agree with this.

But with Venkys, Shaw and Bowyer in place, and those fans closest to the club nodding in approval because they recognise what they are trying to do, we are instead more likely to see lower and lower gates.

It's very sad and very easy to change. It just needs someone to get through to Venkys - but who?

How Shaw is still there is beyond understanding. It's as though he has a hold over Venkys making him unsackerable.

[Mike E]

Anticipation is what keeps me going. Not that we're going up. Not that we'll make the playoffs. Anticipation that we might win!

What a come-down that I'd from 10 years ago when Hughes had just saved us from relegation. We were about to embark on the 2 greatest seasons we had post-promotion. Remember that first bully-boy match where Dickov injured the Chelsea keeper and Mokoena hacked down Robben.

[47er]

No offence intended GAV, that's what you typed and I can only go on that.

I think most people were fuming with our performance last season and that feeling will only get worse if we perform worse this season.

I simply don't understand why people would want to protest to remove the one thing currently preventing us from going to the wall. You don't have to particularly like them given their record or hold a ticker tape reception in Blackburn in their honour but some people feel their financial support is an unavoidable necessity at the current time in our situation.

And the counter view is-----the longer they stay the worse the situation we find ourselves in. With Venkys we are not even treading water.

This will go on as long as it suits them and them only. One certainty is that they won't consult us before dropping us like a brick.

Meanwhile, no protests because:

It didn't work last time.

They are the only thing keeping us afloat.

And my personal favourite "No-one's going to drive me away from the Club I've supported all my life". You sure about that? As things stand you/we have a club until Venkys say we can't have it anymore. But lets keep hanging on in the hope ( not based on any reality) that things will improve.

[Gav]

The support is still there. Get a decent manager with a good squad in place winning some games and Ewood will soon start getting 20k fans again.

The support is still there, i couldn't agree more Baz, but you seem to want rid of everyone but the owners.

We will never have a good manager or a good squad whilst Venkys are here, 5yrs tells us that and if people are happy, accepting of that, then carry on doing and saying nothing, its only getting worse year on year until they pull out and we get shackled with 150/200m debt.

[ABBEY]

Just watching the ww2 stuff ,its a good job the modern day happy flapper doesn't need to defend or country

[Gav]

Just watching the ww2 stuff ,its a good job the modern day happy flapper doesn't need to defend or country

Brave brave men those lads from WW1 and WW2, vast majority went to war without hesitation knowing they'd probably never come back. Its hard to get your head around it really, you just went without question, it was your duty, you family, neighbours and friends all went, never questioned.

So much admiration for the people from that era.

[roverandout]

And today at ewood, just like then, we are being @#/? over by foreigners

[K-Hod]

Just watching the ww2 stuff ,its a good job the modern day happy flapper doesn't need to defend or country

I don't think that's a valid comparison at all Abbey to be fair!

[tomphil]

I agree with much of this post. Loyalty counts for a lot. But supporting your team through thick and thin is also part of being a supporter. Pre-Jack Walker, did any of us ever think we could progress as a club into the top flight, cup win etc. Yet we turned up anyway. For a brief spell Rovers were in the big time, sadly they are not now. We all know why.

But as supporters we have been here before. Maybe all we have left is passion, loyalty and hope.

My wife has a season ticket and travels up from Sussex each match. Didn't miss a league match at Ewood last season. I come when work dosen't get in the way.

Yet we're saddened when local folk can't or won't attend matches - their choice of course.

But we are not going to allow venkys or anybody else to destroy our passion for the club.

Supporting a football club will always bring it's fustrations - but that's football.

5 to 7 thousand turned up regularly pre Jack. 10 to 13k do now so it isn't all bad. It's a bit of a 'kick one and they all jump' scenario in small places like Blackburn. Bloke in the workplace says I hate Venkys I'm not going again, his mate who goes with him says yeah feck em I'm not going either. They go home say the same to their son/daughter/wife and they agree. That's 3 or 4 down already, multiply that across town and it's easy to see why locals snub it, it becomes an epidemic.

[Baz]

The support is still there, i couldn't agree more Baz, but you seem to want rid of everyone but the owners.

We will never have a good manager or a good squad whilst Venkys are here, 5yrs tells us that and if people are happy, accepting of that, then carry on doing and saying nothing, its only getting worse year on year until they pull out and we get shackled with 150/200m debt.

On the contrary Gav, nothing would make me happier than for them to take the debt and sell up.

However, if they want to turn it around then there are some absolute basics they need to start with. Not that i have any faith at all that they will.

[Coatbridge rover]

Time for protest has long gone,now we need a plan to oust venkys.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Time for protest has long gone,now we need a plan to oust venkys.

Been away. Haven't read the whole thread, but I do tend to agree, in spite of myself.

Can we agree on an overall outcome? (!)

What steps should we take to make that outcome most likely.

Protest may ventilate some of my angry feelings ( temporarily) but it would have to have a strategic function towards achieving the overall aim.

An added problem now is the pervading sense powerlessness, watching the Titanic, approaching an iceberg with a child at the wheel. Yes, his dad was a sailor and he has the cap and uniform, but fck all else, as far, as I can see. As for The White Star Line owners, they're busy picking hairs from unmentionable orifices.

Even a useless White Star Line could achieve something by appointing an experienced captain, who knew his way around the ocean and a compass!

Meanwhile, our child in the cap and uniform is shouting from the bridge to those who haven't made the lifeboats...The last words they hear before going under are something about giving it a right good go....

[Gav]

The vast majority of fans seem happy to just let things slide, so despite starting the thread I'm now of the opinion that protest and anti Venky feeling will only occur if this season starts going pear shaped, which its started to do already, and even then the anger will be directed at Bowyer sadly, not the real issue - VENKYS!

Venkys are out of the way, keeping a low profile but if people stop going thats probably the best protest for now, but we've been here before, and I wouldn't slag off anyone for going down to Ewood, its in the blood.

Time for protest has long gone,now we need a plan to oust venkys.

You'll not do it from Celtic Park Coatbridge