[Archived] Is It Time To Protest Against Venkys?

[JBiz]

I agree with everything said I just still think GB has some semblance of "care" regardless of his abilities.

I'd be in support of a campaign designed to ensure the correct people are hired for the correct roles- I've said it for ages, we need a "John Williams" esq advisor to the Venkys. Acknowledged in public.

[1864roverite]

Venkys have the opportunity to ge the fans partly onside here, by sacking Bowyer it would be a huge positive for them. I suggest they take it NOW.

#BOWYEROUT

[den]

The problem with protesting against Venky's is that it has no effect on them.

The only way to have some effect on them and on their core business is to protest in India, we tried this via the Indian media with some success, especially when the Times of India did that big piece which gave them lots of bad PR, but now that we are in the Championship there is no interest from the India media. So protesting at Ewood would make us the fans feel better but it will no effect on Venky's.

These guys are cretins of the highest order, they are beyond incompetent. They consistently made bad appointments and will continue to do so. As I said months ago, the executive structure at Ewood is a complete and utter joke, all that they are interested in is self preservation.

The answer is to convince them to appoint a top CEO Kamy. You're in touch with them - you do it. No one at Ewood is going to encourage that, that's for certain.

[Neil Weaver]

These guys are cretins of the highest order, they are beyond incompetent. They consistently made bad appointments and will continue to do so. As I said months ago, the executive structure at Ewood is a complete and utter joke, all that they are interested in is self preservation.

And it follows that replacing Bowyer will do no good at all. It may well make things worse.

It might not be the most palatable message to hear for many but it's the natural conclusion from the above (and I for one believe Kamy). Get the top end of the structure right and changes will follow down the food chain. Doing things in reverse is a recipe for disaster, and whilst I'm not as pessimistic as some, things can get a lot worse.

[DE.]

we are a failed side venture who they are now just letting run itself with little support or input just enough to keep ticking over.

Pretty much, but as far as we know they still aren't interested in selling the club, so there must either be something in it for them now, or they believe there will be in the future even with the bare minimum of attention being given.

[Athlete]

Yes Waggy but it hardly an attractive campaign aim.

"What do we want, administration

When do we want it, NOW."

Got to agree I think it's the only thing to hope for as promotion isn't happening to help the financial situation

[Exiled in Toronto]

Venkys - ignorant

Bowyer - innocent

Myers - ill

It seems the only way to go is to make this about Shaw - a good old fashioned "Sack the board" campaign.

It gives us someone to vent at who, regardless of the perceptions, should be able to act. Does he have a reputation to lose? I'm not sure it can really get worse. He would surely not like it one bit though.

Not a bad idea Stuart. It's a goal that is achievable, unlike the pipedreams of complete boycotts. It also can be achieved within the reality of the existence of a spectrum of opinion within the fanbase, so-called "super-fans".

He's local, he has a reputation he'd like to protect and they don't pay him enough to put up with being the focal point for fans' ire forever.

[gumboots]

But many of those who might have protested are, like me and my husband, no longer there.

[mustard]

It makes me chuckle thinking of a mass boycott considering the fact STs are automatically counted in the attendance. Could you imagine the announcement at half time of a crowd circa 10,000, despite there being a few hundred home fans in the ground?

[Iceman]

It makes me chuckle thinking of a mass boycott considering the fact STs are automatically counted in the attendance. Could you imagine the announcement at half time of a crowd circa 10,000, despite there being a few hundred home fans in the ground?

this is one of the weirdest things ever, counting in season ticket holders, even if they are not there. Surely, you are only counted once you scan your ticket and physically be sat in a seat.

[Parsonblue]

this is one of the weirdest things ever, counting in season ticket holders, even if they are not there. Surely, you are only counted once you scan your ticket and physically be sat in a seat.

This is not unique to Rovers. All clubs do it and that becomes the attendance that is officially registered with the Football or Premier League. Indeed, it's been going on since the 1980's. Once upon a time the League registered attendances based on ticket sales and had separate columns for Season Ticket holders in attendance. I was shown the attendance books many moons ago when the League was operating out of Lytham. I think the system changed in the 1980's because it simplified what was a very complicated way of recording attendances. There is, of course, a separate figure recorded for health & safety reasons of the people actually in the ground but the official figures are based on tickets sold.

[Iceman]

Understood Parson, but its just a strange system.

[JHRover]

When we went to MK Dons last week the official gate was given as 11,000 odd. Before the game Rovers had sold 1,200 tickets and probably another couple of hundred bought on the day.

So probably about 9,500 MK Dons supporters in the ground going off that figure.

I can safely say that there was nowhere near that amount actually in the ground that day. I'd have put it more like 6,000 home supporters and 1,500 away.

Every other club does it, so why shouldn't Rovers. Its not doing us any favours to announce small gates as all it will ensure is snide comments in the media about how poor our support is.

[DE.]

I don't think there are any comments about us these days in the media, snide or not. The exception being when we play "big" clubs in the cup and the customary articles on Bowyer are printed talking about stability, bringing the good times back, and other such nonsense.

[Mattyblue]

For most games there are a good couple of thousand ST holders missing, so when we do play the likes of Burnley and most ST holders do turn up, we actually get an accurate attendance.

[Kamy100]

Over the last few weeks I have heard from a number of sources both at Ewood and Pune that the owners have virtually stopped communicating with the executive at Ewood, this was pretty much backed up by some of the comments that Derek Shaw made at the Q&A re less communication from the owners.

This is just me speculating and I could be on the totally wrong track, but maybe this complete lack of communication and making decisions is the first step of Venky's having decided to sell or dump the club. In last year's accounts they gave a commitment to fund until May 2016, given that promotion this year is not going to happen, maybe they have decided that they will not commit beyond May 2016.

IF that is the case then what happens next? Do they have a viable buyer lined up, will they decide to sell our assets (Rhodes, Marshall and Hanley) and use that finance to keep us a viable business for a further 12 months so that they can find a buyer? Or will they dump us?

[Neal]

Time to protest in my view.

[Mattyblue]

This is just me speculating and I could be on the totally wrong track, but maybe this complete lack of communication and making decisions is the first step of Venky's having decided to sell or dump the club. In last year's accounts they gave a commitment to fund until May 2016, given that promotion this year is not going to happen, maybe they have decided that they will not commit beyond May 2016.

IF that is the case then what happens next? Do they have a viable buyer lined up, will they decide to sell our assets (Rhodes, Marshall and Hanley) and use that finance to keep us a viable business for a further 12 months so that they can find a buyer? Or will they dump us?

Yet we have appointed a succession of rookie managers who would never have led to promotion. WHY?

[Gav]

Over the last few weeks I have heard from a number of sources both at Ewood and Pune that the owners have virtually stopped communicating with the executive at Ewood, this was pretty much backed up by some of the comments that Derek Shaw made at the Q&A re less communication from the owners.

This is just me speculating and I could be on the totally wrong track, but maybe this complete lack of communication and making decisions is the first step of Venky's having decided to sell or dump the club. In last year's accounts they gave a commitment to fund until May 2016, given that promotion this year is not going to happen, maybe they have decided that they will not commit beyond May 2016.

IF that is the case then what happens next? Do they have a viable buyer lined up, will they decide to sell our assets (Rhodes, Marshall and Hanley) and use that finance to keep us a viable business for a further 12 months so that they can find a buyer? Or will they dump us?

I really don't care what they do as long as they 'go away'

I understand all the worry about debt, but clubs like ours don't go bust, ever, so I'm not worried.

Venkys leave we start to recover, Venkys stay and we continue this downward spiral, lose generations of fans, league position and any shred of credibility the club still has.

Venkys out!

[Kamy100]

I completely agree, the situation with Venky's is beyond repair. I hope that they have given up, if that means we have to rebuild then fine, even if it means that we drop down to League 2 and work our way back up then that is fine for me, that is preferable to the current situation as the club is completely disconnected with the fans.

[mustard]

I really don't care what they do as long as they 'go away'

I understand all the worry about debt, but clubs like ours don't go bust, ever, so I'm not worried.

Venkys leave we start to recover, Venkys stay and we continue this downward spiral, lose generations of fans, league position and any shred of credibility the club still has.

Venkys out!

It's a matter of time before we fall further into the abyss under their stead anyways. As you said, no chance of recovery whilst they remain and the sooner they're gone, the sooner we can start to pick up the pieces.

[Pedro]

If plan A isn't an option (new manager, go all out for promotion)

Then plan B it is (sod off and leave us to pick up the pieces of our club).

...I'd still rather us dabble with plan A! ☺

[Waggy76]

I really don't care what they do as long as they 'go away'

I understand all the worry about debt, but clubs like ours don't go bust, ever, so I'm not worried.

Venkys leave we start to recover, Venkys stay and we continue this downward spiral, lose generations of fans, league position and any shred of credibility the club still has.

Venkys out!

100% correct !

[SuperStella]

I went to the Q & A with Bowyer, Shaw and Myers a few weeks ago and the more I think about it, the more I think they got off quite lightly with the questioning. I admit I really do wish I would have asked at least one question, but it is not to say it shouldnt be posed now, as it is probably more relevant.

That would be - what is the actual process that is followed when a decision needs to be made? Lets start off basic - making a signing, albeit this is only a free transfer or a loan at present. What happens? Can the directors based within the UK make the decision or do they need some kind of green light from the owners. If so, what exactly happens? Is there a waiting time, given the time difference. And if so, is this factored in to decision making in the UK - is it planned to ensure there are no further delays?

Based on the above, if Bowyer was to lose say his next 6 games, is there anyone within the UK who can make a decision, or has the influence (and intelligence) to inform the owners of their concerns? Are the directors really THAT incompetent they would not heed the concern of fans? How often are these meetings, what is discussed? I know at the Q & A it was explained they made a conference call 'a number of weeks ago' and they watch all our games. I would absolutely love to be a fly on the wall when these games are aired to them and who actually watches it and what happens afterwards - particularly after a defeat?

It would be interesting to know if they currently have (or ever have) a strategy in place? I seriously doubt they do, but I just cannot fathom why they would want to continue to fund something, to the tune of a reported £2m to £3m a month without some form of concern or intervention?

Personally, although the Championship is arguably one of the most unforgiving leagues around, I dont actually think it would take a complete overhaul to turn things around. Now before I cause a riot, let me explain. If we sold a player, came out of the embargo and then spent money on players, with an established manager (which we have not had since Allardyce went), surely the future outcome would be a stronger one to the current one we are heading towards? Even if Venky's have lost interest, surely, as business people (successful ones in their current industry by the sounds of it), it would be in their own financial interest to do so?

[1arC]

I completely agree, the situation with Venky's is beyond repair. I hope that they have given up, if that means we have to rebuild then fine, even if it means that we drop down to League 2 and work our way back up then that is fine for me, that is preferable to the current situation as the club is completely disconnected with the fans.

Spot on. Any chance any of your connections can feed that on to them?