[Archived] Is It Time To Protest Against Venkys?

[speeeeeeedie]

It's interesting that with the hope and appointment of Lambert, the Venkys discussion has been virtually totally absent. Now, with performances struggling, they're back on the agenda again.

Just a thought............... Maybe Agnew was right when he said that just a few wins and the fans would be in acceptance.

Of course he was. Football is a results business.

Your comment did remind me of this old classic from Viz; http://viz.co.uk/takes-become-premier-league-footballer/ Question 4 sums it all up.

[perthblue02]

It's interesting that with the hope and appointment of Lambert, the Venkys discussion has been virtually totally absent. Now, with performances struggling, they're back on the agenda again.

Just a thought............... Maybe Agnew was right when he said that just a few wins and the fans would be in acceptance.

Think you are wrong there, as he was actually referring to attendances increasing after a few wins, not acceptance of Venky's , in a bad attempt at trying to deflect attention away from his Golden ticket and assorted dodgy pals, There was not an upturn in attendances even with wins until Agnews 'Golden ticket decided to exit the stage. Without actually searching for it think the words that slithered out of his mouth were, A few wins and they will be back, answering a question in the LT about the drop in attendances.

Another of the scumbag leeches that will hopefully get what they deserve when the time comes

[Mr. E]

Venkys.

Venkys.

It's impossible even to describe the feelings I get when reading or typing that name. It's like if you composed a top 1000 list of the most vile, nauseating things you can possibly ever imagine, and consolidate them into one name. That is Venkys.

[Mike Graham]

Venkys.

Venkys.

It's impossible even to describe the feelings I get when reading or typing that name. It's like if you composed a top 1000 list of the most vile, nauseating things you can possibly ever imagine, and consolidate them into one name. That is Venkys.

What about "Venkean"

Frightening!!

[Plastic Head]

With Rhodes going/gone there is no significant value left at Rovers.

Zero chance of promotion now and relegation looks likely either this season or next with this very poor squad.

Especially looking at the transfer policy of taking players unwanted by teams well below us.

Only reason I can see for owners keeping hold of the club now is spite.

[Stuart]

With Rhodes going/gone there is no significant value left at Rovers.

Zero chance of promotion now and relegation looks likely either this season or next with this very poor squad.

Especially looking at the transfer policy of taking players unwanted by teams well below us.

Only reason I can see for owners keeping hold of the club now is spite.

Venkys seeing that relegation is more likely than promotion this season and cashing in? Crossed my mind.

All eyes on Lambert now. If it was his decision then he has just brought a lot of pressure on himself (but will surely back himself). If Venkys have sold him over his head (and he was banking on keeping him) then will he walk or put on a brave face? Because he can walk away reputation intact and blame interference, and rock up somewhere else tomorrow.

[tomphil]

Maybe Lambert has been brought in to do the dirty work before these lot finally @#/? off. 20 mill of sales in the last 6 months or so may be seeing them with a foot in the exit door.

Good luck to Rhodes, I think he'll fire Boro up before his career dives Stead like but i wish him nothing but the best.

Hope all the haters enjoy their day..

[RevidgeBlue]

Maybe Lambert has been brought in to do the dirty work before these lot finally @#/? off. 20 mill of sales in the last 6 months or so may be seeing them with a foot in the exit door.

Good luck to Rhodes, I think he'll fire Boro up before his career dives Stead like but i wish him nothing but the best.

Hope all the haters enjoy their day..

That's what I can't understand. Why spend a fortune firing GB and bringing in an experienced manager like PL with an experienced back room staff just to sell off any remaining assets?

GB could have done that at far less cost.

[DE.]

That's what I can't understand. Why spend a fortune firing GB and bringing in an experienced manager like PL with an experienced back room staff just to sell off any remaining assets?

GB could have done that at far less cost.

Maybe the point was to sell our assets and keep us in the division, making us a slightly better prospect for a potential buyer when they do leave. Fair to say there's more chance of that scenario under an experienced manager, though you wouldn't know it judging on recent form.

[Pedro]

Christ, the conspiracy theories and imaginary haters posts are gathering real momentum.

Rhodes wanted to go. He said this. He hasn't been playing well or scoring very much since September. Good money has been offered by a better team on the verge of promotion. We've accepted. It really is that simple.

[OJRovers]

Christ, the conspiracy theories and imaginary haters posts are gathering real momentum.

Rhodes wanted to go. He said this. He hasn't been playing well or scoring very much since September. Good money has been offered by a better team on the verge of promotion. We've accepted. It really is that simple.

I think you're right. A poor end to the season and we'd end up only getting £5million for him in summer. Hopefully we'll limp through to the end of the season then be able to rebuild.

[DE.]

Time after time during Venky's reign our better players have been sold or let go, and every time the apologists have been out saying it's for the best and an improvement is right around the corner. Forgive me if I don't believe that bullshit any more.

[G Somerset Rover]

Time after time during Venky's reign our better players have been sold or let go, and every time the apologists have been out saying it's for the best and an improvement is right around the corner. Forgive me if I don't believe that bullshit any more.

They've never refused to sign a cheque didn't you know DE.

[tomphil]

That's what I can't understand. Why spend a fortune firing GB and bringing in an experienced manager like PL with an experienced back room staff just to sell off any remaining assets?

GB could have done that at far less cost.

He'd have guaranteed relegation though. This fella has the minerals to do what needs to be done with minimal damage.

[tomphil]

Christ, the conspiracy theories and imaginary haters posts are gathering real momentum.

Rhodes wanted to go. He said this. He hasn't been playing well or scoring very much since September. Good money has been offered by a better team on the verge of promotion. We've accepted. It really is that simple.

Why is someones opinion automatically cast off as a conspiracy theory ? If you went out into the big wide world you'd be very surprised at some of the stuff that flies about regarding our owners and a quick glance at other social media would tell you what some think of Rhodes. They are the plums not those of us who actually valued him and those of us who remain suspicious of those running our show,

[BlueMonday]

Well this weekend has been a roller coaster and our transfer business has certainly caused some differences of opinion. But thats been the theme of Venkys ownership, DISHARMONY.

What ever your view of this windows transfers, positive or negative, it all hinges on one proviso, that VENKYS ARE GOING TO SANCTION SPENDING IN THE SUMMER FOR SQUAD BUILDING. The general consensus is that Lambert wouldn't have come unless financial backing was assured. Given that we are allegedly keeping our powder dry until the Summer, when F.U.P. rules change, the next Transfer window is going to be pivotal.

The question is, WILL VENKYS FUND SQUAD REBUILDING IN THE NEXT WINDOW? That doesn't just mean the Rhodes transfer money, the low quality of the squad means a major overhaul is needed to achieve a sustained and realistic push for promotion. Thats going to need major investment and given that parachute payments are now gone, Venkys are going to have to spend some of their Chicken Rupees. As they dont communicate with anyone, we are left to assume that this is their plan. If not they have surely brought Lambert in under false pretences, and he won't hang around.

The point of this post is to suggest that if Venkys don't sanction any real squad investment in the summer, that protests should really be on the cards again.

Some on the MB are very dissatisfied at the transfer business we did this time. Some more pragmatic and willing to give the benefit of the doubt and wait till the summer. What we should all be agreed on is that if we get fobbed off with the usual POUNLAND Venkys transfer dealings, and Lambert not backed, the team and the club are in real danger of entering a tail spin and dropping through the leagues.

Venkys have slowly but surely sold off all the major playing assets and with Rhodes now gone, there is no more family silver to sell off for future squad replenishment. So with parachute payments no more we are now in the territory of Venkys having to fund transfers from their personal fortunes. WILL THEY DO THIS?

If not there is a real and present danger that we are heading down Boltons path. Its not melodramatic to say the future of the Club is in the balance.

So we need to send the message that as supporters, we expect Venkys commitment and financial backing. We should be demanding to know what their short, medium and long term plans are. Not easy, but there are channels there and those with any influence should be making noises in this direction.

We may not have the stomach for more protest, but we need to be prepared to speak in the only language that Venkys seem to respond to.

We are entering a crucial period in Rovers history, and we may need to be prepared to roll our sleeves up and fight for our Club again.

[Dean]

Maybe Lambert has been brought in to do the dirty work before these lot finally @#/? off. 20 mill of sales in the last 6 months or so may be seeing them with a foot in the exit door.

That makes absolutely no sense. Why would Lambert do that? It would be career suicide for him.

[47er]

Hanley would command a sizeable fee, 4/5M? Marshall probably 3M if he maintains his curent improvement.

Conway 3M if form picks up. That's it though, cupboard bare after that.

But I shouldn't really give Venkys any ideas!

[JHRover]

Well this weekend has been a roller coaster and our transfer business has certainly caused some differences of opinion. But thats been the theme of Venkys ownership, DISHARMONY.

What ever your view of this windows transfers, positive or negative, it all hinges on one proviso, that VENKYS ARE GOING TO SANCTION SPENDING IN THE SUMMER FOR SQUAD BUILDING. The general consensus is that Lambert wouldn't have come unless financial backing was assured. Given that we are allegedly keeping our powder dry until the Summer, when F.U.P. rules change, the next Transfer window is going to be pivotal.

The question is, WILL VENKYS FUND SQUAD REBUILDING IN THE NEXT WINDOW? That doesn't just mean the Rhodes transfer money, the low quality of the squad means a major overhaul is needed to achieve a sustained and realistic push for promotion. Thats going to need major investment and given that parachute payments are now gone, Venkys are going to have to spend some of their Chicken Rupees. As they dont communicate with anyone, we are left to assume that this is their plan. If not they have surely brought Lambert in under false pretences, and he won't hang around.

The point of this post is to suggest that if Venkys don't sanction any real squad investment in the summer, that protests should really be on the cards again.

Some on the MB are very dissatisfied at the transfer business we did this time. Some more pragmatic and willing to give the benefit of the doubt and wait till the summer. What we should all be agreed on is that if we get fobbed off with the usual POUNLAND Venkys transfer dealings, and Lambert not backed, the team and the club are in real danger of entering a tail spin and dropping through the leagues.

Venkys have slowly but surely sold off all the major playing assets and with Rhodes now gone, there is no more family silver to sell off for future squad replenishment. So with parachute payments no more we are now in the territory of Venkys having to fund transfers from their personal fortunes. WILL THEY DO THIS?

If not there is a real and present danger that we are heading down Boltons path. Its not melodramatic to say the future of the Club is in the balance.

So we need to send the message that as supporters, we expect Venkys commitment and financial backing. We should be demanding to know what their short, medium and long term plans are. Not easy, but there are channels there and those with any influence should be making noises in this direction.

We may not have the stomach for more protest, but we need to be prepared to speak in the only language that Venkys seem to respond to.

We are entering a crucial period in Rovers history, and we may need to be prepared to roll our sleeves up and fight for our Club again.

Very good post.

I still think that our Championship status is hanging in the balance. And because of that I think that the decision to sell our top goalscorer right at the end of the transfer window is a huge gamble. We are now pinning our survival hopes on goals flowing from Watt (potential yet hasn't scored regularly), Graham (hasn't scored for years) and Jackson (not good enough). I also think a lot of people are being swayed by the admittedly excellent performance at Oxford last week rather than the atrocious league run we had before that game, and the reality of our precarious position will be a lot more clear barring a surprise win or two from this tough run we have coming up.

I don't believe that Lambert will have millions to spend in the summer. I think the money will trickle away onto other things. Of course I would love to be wrong because the only way we are going to make serious progress in this division is by spending serious money.

I wonder what the next plan will be for raising funds for next January or next summer? We've sold off the family silver in Gestede, Cairney and now Rhodes for a combined £20 million, which is more money brought in through sales than anyone else in this league, yet we've paid out less in fees these last 2 years than anyone else.

Lambert promised 'big hitters' and a revolution in the summer well before the Rhodes bid came in and was accepted. So presumably he was coming out with those comments confident there was a pot of money at his disposal regardless.

With Rhodes gone that ought to be the last of the mega-earners off the books. I would hope that with owner investment we are able to do as Middlesbrough, Derby and Sheffield Wednesday have done, which is clear the decks, get the wage bill under control then build up again.

Some clarity over how the club is operating would be welcome at this point. We've heard plenty from the manager and he's certainly tried to portray the Rhodes sale as purely his decision for football/financial reasons. If that's indeed the case then I can live with that, respect Lambert's honesty and have faith in him to steer us upwards. How's our MD doing these days though? We haven't heard a peep from him for months. Not comments from Shaw about Bowyer being sacked, no comments about Lambert being appointed, not comments about lifting the embargo and how/why this was done if there was to be no spending in January anyway. No comments about a budget going forwards. No comments about the owners plans and intentions.

It seems senseless for Venkys to inject millions to escape the embargo if a decision had already been made that little/no money was going to be spent in January anyway and we were relying on loans.

In relation to Bolton, I would just like to say that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they could yet stay up at our expense this season. Whilst they are a financial disaster they have managed to get through January without selling any of their better players. I also expect Charlton to crawl their way out of trouble. They've made some good signings this window and had a brilliant win last week at Rotherham. Riga knows what he is doing there.

[danger19_80]

Think it's unfair to pin Rhodes sale on Venkys. By all accounts it's Lambert very much leading this one and they've reluctantly but pleasingly FINALLY listened to the advice of someone who knows what he's doing.

[tomphil]

That makes absolutely no sense. Why would Lambert do that? It would be career suicide for him.

Why exactly ? All he would be doing would be steering the club through a transitional period whilst using his experience (which GB didn't have) to oversee some big sales whilst replacing them with good enough loans to maybe climb the table. Hardly career suicide getting a club in good shape for a sale is it.

[roverstdt]

I think there is no need for panic at this point in time. People are too busy thinking what if? This could happen, that could happen? Why speculate of a situation that we have no idea what the outcome is as of this moment.

For me I look at it on the surface and we have cut our expenses back (which is what we have needed to do). We have made a return on our investment by Selling Cairney, Gestede, and Rhodes. Most of that money has gone to get us out of FFP. In which as Kamy stated on twitter, that most of the money we will get from Boro will actually be received in the summer to then put it into our account for the following year which means we could spend all we want this summer without being hit by an embargo until Jan 2018. Leaving us 18 months of free for all spending if that is what we wish to do so. Will Venky's

[Claytons Left Boot]

How's our MD doing these days though? We haven't heard a peep from him for months. Not comments from Shaw about Bowyer being sacked, no comments about Lambert being appointed, not comments about lifting the embargo and how/why this was done if there was to be no spending in January anyway. No comments about a budget going forwards. No comments about the owners plans and intentions.

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Living down in Northwich now, most football people I get to chat to follow either City, United or one of the Liverpool clubs. I always impress upon them just how Venky's destroyed the Rovers from within and also the fact that there has been virtually no dialogue from either themselves or the current corporate structure from day one. This, for me, has been one of the most frustrating things of their tenure. We, the fans, have been, are and no doubt will be in the dark for some considerable time. If only they would communicate their plans and intentions it would give everyone a glimmer of hope.

With regard to the original post, I wouldn't hold my breath regarding any possible demonstrations if it turned sour this/next season or if we were indeed relegated. As good as the efforts of the organisers were last time and not wishing to criticise their work, the fans generally showed what a weak bunch we have become, with 95% washing their hands of matters and seemingly oblivious to the severity of the situation.

[VinjayV4]

Living down in Northwich now, most football people I get to chat to follow either City, United or one of the Liverpool clubs. I always impress upon them just how Venky's destroyed the Rovers from within and also the fact that there has been virtually no dialogue from either themselves or the current corporate structure from day one. This, for me, has been one of the most frustrating things of their tenure. We, the fans, have been, are and no doubt will be in the dark for some considerable time. If only they would communicate their plans and intentions it would give everyone a glimmer of hope.

With regard to the original post, I wouldn't hold my breath regarding any possible demonstrations if it turned sour this/next season or if we were indeed relegated. As good as the efforts of the organisers were last time and not wishing to criticise their work, the fans generally showed what a weak bunch we have become, with 95% washing their hands of matters and seemingly oblivious to the severity of the situation.

Maybe if they have truly realised their mistakes perhaps their impression is the fans want them to completely shut up. Plus many people won't believe a word they say. Not convinced they have entirely since people like Shaw are still employed. I don't really care if they speak on camera but there should be a statement of intent every now and then. When was the last time they directly "spoke" wasn't it in August?

I wouldn't hold my breath on that either Clayton.

[Pedro]

Why is someones opinion automatically cast off as a conspiracy theory ? If you went out into the big wide world you'd be very surprised at some of the stuff that flies about regarding our owners and a quick glance at other social media would tell you what some think of Rhodes. They are the plums not those of us who actually valued him and those of us who remain suspicious of those running our show,

I am part of the big wide world Phil. My eyes and ears are open but I'm not naive enough not to recognise that Rhodes has taken a step up and been fed up here for quite some time. We've been given a very fair price for him and quite a few fans have been eyebrow deep in denial.

Maybe the Glasgow Mafia are playing the long game and Judan Ali is waiting to take over next week, straight after the owners have asset stripped us before setting up Lancashire United...or maybe I'm right.