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[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Well at least the mum is upset and feels bad about it. Oh no, wait a sec, she's said "accidents happen". To be honest exactly the kind of response I'd expect from someone with zero sense of responsibility and no appreciation of the magnitude of what's been done. Maybe they should have a sign on the front of zoos saying these are rare and extremely precious animals, not some Hollywood film for you to gawk over and not actually give 2 s**** about the well being of.

[Ste B]

Americans are probably more upset that they didn't let it out so that they could "hunt" it.

[adopted scouser]

Americans are probably more upset that they didn't let it out so that they could "hunt" it.

The black kid ?

[Paul]

One week ago two Japanese parents deliberately abandoned their son in an isolated area as punishment for throwing stones at cars and passers by. Clearly poor but not unusual behaviour for a seven year old.

This was a deliberate act. A large scale search resulted and the child was found, by chance, alive and well. Interest in this story? Low key by comparison.

Two parents lose sight/control of their son for a few seconds and he climbs in to a gorilla pen resulting in the gorilla being shot to protect the child. Allowing the child in to the pen does not seem to have been a deliberate act.

I've read 500,000 people signed a petition calling for the gorilla parents to be investigated and or prosecuted. People all over social media, including here, are frothing at the mouth to pillory these parents. Why? Because a gorilla was shot to save the child.

Apparently punishing your child by abandoning him in the wild is acceptable as it doesn't involve shooting animals.

I'm rather puzzled by this. It does though lead me to conclusions about people who are so quick to judge when they have so little information.

[T J Hooker]

Americans are probably more upset that they didn't let it out so that they could "hunt" it.

im gonna play the race card for the parents and say they wouldnt be getting half the grieve if they where white(and even less if they where middle class)

I bet more people have openly accused the parents of neglect for this than have ever been allowed to openly accuse the mccanns

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

People don't criticise as vociferously parents for bad parenting that only effects their children because there is literally nothing any individual can do about it (a government service body can but any random member of the public can't). Take this case for example, I'd say allowing your child to climb into a gorilla pen is about as dangerous as allowing them to walk across a motorway, but Paul ridiculed the idea that the parents be put in prison as that would temporarily take the child off them. So to be honest why even bother getting annoyed at standard bad parenting?

Its the equivalent of getting annoyed at all Venkys no doubt thousands of other irresponsible business practices, rather than what we all do which is only get annoyed about the ones affecting Rovers. Because getting in a tizz about every single one is pointless, the only halfway useful thing to do is draw the line at the stuff that effects us. Same deal with this, an animal listed as critically endangered being killed affects me (and others on this board) in case we ever want to see one and they're all dead. Those Chinese parents abandoning their kid doesn't affect me. I'd rather it didn't happen but like I said, if I came across it in Blackburn and objected to the parents, I'd get an earful from them and Paul's view of "well what are you gonna do, put them in prison, how would that help?" from passers by.

Funny how you said people judge with little information Paul and yet confidently stated the parents lost sight of their child for a few seconds. How do you know it was a few? I'd love to see the state of this fence if the child navigated it in 3-4 seconds.

Having said all that, I am starting to come round to the opinion that the zoo are most at fault. The more I think about it, the more it seems totally ridiculous that a small child should be able to get into an enclosure whether the parents were ignoring it for 5 seconds or 10 minutes.

[jim mk2]

There speaks someone who isn't a parent and hasn't a clue what it involves.

FYI the parents were Japanese and in this case I think they were cruel and should face charges.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

There speaks someone who isn't a parent and hasn't a clue what it involves.

Yeah that's true, it is one of the great mysteries in life, like brain surgery or quantum physics. Having never seen a parent and only having seen a child once, I'd have to live to a million I reckon to see 2 together. I suppose there's the hundreds of times I've looked after kids in jobs and for relatives, but I didn't have a clue what it involved so just watched tv for a few hours and then went to find them when they were getting picked up.

If I had to guess I'd say it probably involves keeping an eye on them with differing intensity depending on the danger of the surrounding environment. But what do I know, if a parent says its all right to let them do what they want, as long as something else other than the child is killed/ruined, then as a non-parent I can only accept their wisdom.

Another nice one parents, hope they don't feel bad, not their fault after all:

http://mashable.com/2016/06/01/lego-sculpture-destroyed-china/#XSxWWI9xD8qp

[Biddy]

Yes, yes, you are obviously an expert. You know there is a massive difference between guessing "it probably involves" and actually being a parent 24 hours a day? Of course you don't.

As for that link, @#/? happens. Kids touch and want to play with EVERYTHING. Basically it is the organisers fault really. firstly, the figure should have been further away from the people (looked like there was just a flimsy rope) and secondly, the thing smashed, which looks like it was only built like normal LEGO. If you go to LEGOland all sculptures there are glued together with additional restraining rods. The kids can literally climb on the sculptures. At least the artist in that piece was understanding.

[Steve Moss]

Americans are probably more upset that they didn't let it out so that they could "hunt" it.

There's been a lot of stupid things said on this site from time to time, but this is one of the lowest.

[T J Hooker]

Well I hate to break it to you but that's the general perception of americans had by the rest of the world(all be it slightly exaggerated for comedy effect)

americans need to learn to just chill the hell out, put the coffee down and learn to make and appreciate a good brew and stop taking themselves so seriously

[Steve Moss]

Well I hate to break it to you but that's the general perception of americans had by the rest of the world(all be it slightly exaggerated for comedy effect)

americans need to learn to just chill the hell out, put the coffee down and learn to make and appreciate a good brew and stop taking themselves so seriously

Actually, I would put it the other way around. The "rest of the world" (which generally means some of the EU nations on this forum), should get off their holy than thou high horses.

We are what you were 100 years ago. I think Americans have made the better choices making us what we are, you may think you Brits have done better. Fine. But if people want to post asinine and abhorrent posts about the USA, they shouldn't be surprised if I respond in kind.

[Audax]

Muhammad Ali in bad shape in hospital:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/424177-muhammad-ali-could-be-in-worse-health-than-was-made-known

[jim mk2]

Yeah that's true, it is one of the great mysteries in life, like brain surgery or quantum physics. Having never seen a parent and only having seen a child once, I'd have to live to a million I reckon to see 2 together. I suppose there's the hundreds of times I've looked after kids in jobs and for relatives, but I didn't have a clue what it involved so just watched tv for a few hours and then went to find them when they were getting picked up.

If I had to guess I'd say it probably involves keeping an eye on them with differing intensity depending on the danger of the surrounding environment. But what do I know, if a parent says its all right to let them do what they want, as long as something else other than the child is killed/ruined, then as a non-parent I can only accept their wisdom.

Another nice one parents, hope they don't feel bad, not their fault after all:

http://mashable.com/2016/06/01/lego-sculpture-destroyed-china/#XSxWWI9xD8qp

I was right, as usual. You don't have a clue.

[Paul]

Americans are probably more upset that they didn't let it out so that they could "hunt" it.

There's been a lot of stupid things said on this site from time to time, but this is one of the lowest.

Steve this isn't a dig at you. You do you realise this is a joke? A part of the British sense of humour characterises nations, even local populations in the UK, very generally. Therefore all Scots are mean, as are Yorkshiremen, Germans efficient and humourless, Essex women blonde, promiscuous and stupid, Italians cowardly and so it goes on.

This runs right through our humour from the schoolboy joke "How many gears on an Italian tank?" "Five. One forward, four reverse"

We all know Americans are decent people even if we have real difficulty understanding some of the choices your country has made. We also take the p1ss regularly out of those who match the stereotype.......... and with Donald Trump

we're having a field day!!

[ABBEY]

Steve reading Paul's post ,what it won't tell you that it's ok to make Italian and Scottish jokes but don't make a Muslim joke because the racist police will be all over you like a rasher.

[Dreyski]

like a rasher.

Intentional?

[ABBEY]

of course , nearly pulled a hammy thinking it

[Stuart]

One week ago two Japanese parents deliberately abandoned their son in an isolated area as punishment for throwing stones at cars and passers by. Clearly poor but not unusual behaviour for a seven year old.

This was a deliberate act. A large scale search resulted and the child was found, by chance, alive and well. Interest in this story? Low key by comparison.

Two parents lose sight/control of their son for a few seconds and he climbs in to a gorilla pen resulting in the gorilla being shot to protect the child. Allowing the child in to the pen does not seem to have been a deliberate act.

I've read 500,000 people signed a petition calling for the gorilla parents to be investigated and or prosecuted. People all over social media, including here, are frothing at the mouth to pillory these parents. Why? Because a gorilla was shot to save the child.

Apparently punishing your child by abandoning him in the wild is acceptable as it doesn't involve shooting animals.

I'm rather puzzled by this. It does though lead me to conclusions about people who are so quick to judge when they have so little information.

How is your Japanese, Paul? Do you know the furore it has created over there? Of course we will look to American stories before the Far East. We can relate much more easily and therefore the press are quicker to report it. That said, the Japanese idiot story was covered. Do you know if the gorilla story made the news over there?

The other telling element is that the idiot father has gone on TV contrite, admitting responsibility and will now face charges. The Western parent, whose lack of responsibility led to the death of a animal - which would have been the same reaction if a lion or other large animal had been killed - has shown no such contrition and whose main concern is about the zoo's safety systems.

Whilst you are 'puzzling' (you are not of course), could you please provide a link to someone, anyone, saying it's acceptable to leave your child in a forest?

The responsibility for a child always rests with their parents/guardians. I'm puzzled that you would think otherwise.

[perthblue02]

The responsibility for a child always rests with their parents/guardians. I'm puzzled that you would think otherwise.

Well unless you happen to be called McCann and have friends in the right places , then the fault is everybody else and turns into a nice little earner

[adopted scouser]

Well unless you happen to be called McCann and have friends in the right places , then the fault is everybody else and turns into a nice little earner

Hang your head in shame for that one, disgusting.

[K-Hod]

I probably wouldn't have put it like Perth did, but he's right to be fair. If some chav had left their kid at home over here to go out with their pals there would be uproar, but whenever anyone blames the McCanns for being irresponsible they get slated, I just don't get it.

[T J Hooker]

Steve reading Paul's post ,what it won't tell you that it's ok to make Italian and Scottish jokes but don't make a Muslim joke because the racist police will be all over you like a rasher.

Obviously muslim isn't a country or race, but you are right though, it is pathetic that we cant even banter with muslims about their religion without them getting all fire and brimstone(and/or litigious), jews, christians, catholics, ect. can all give and take a bit of banter(as long as its good natured)

[oldjamfan1]

Obviously muslim isn't a country or race, but you are right though, it is pathetic that we cant even banter with muslims about their religion without them getting all fire and brimstone(and/or litigious), jews, christians, catholics, ect. can all give and take a bit of banter(as long as its good natured)

Firstly, Catholics are christians, and secondly, legislation exists in Scotland that specifically prohibits what you describe as 'banter', particularly in relation to football matches!

Not that I agree with it, mind.

Oh dear, Gazza in bother again (though it does seem a tad OTT) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36451693

[T J Hooker]

"Catholics are Christians" technically maybe and yes from a legal point of view a lot of what we call banter is rascist and derogatory, but as i said it had to be 2way banter and not said maliciously

Gazza is an ants fart away from being a lost cause