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[Mike Graham]

Guardian reporting that she has died.

OMG. That is just dreadful.

[MarkBRFC71]

Are you aware a gun is a tool, just like a hammer or a screw driver? How that tool is used or in these cases misused IS the issue. You are one patronising, self opinionated Herbert, who needs to take his head out of his arse and realise that not every one shares your opinion. Stop talking with such "authority" on the subject, because you aren't expressing facts, just your opinion.

First of all, RIP Jo Cox, extremely sad news.

My head is firmly out of my arse thanks. I live in Texas so am exposed to this issue every day, if not directly at least on the news. Believe me, if you're over in Cyprus you don't see or hear of probably 99% of the gun crime that happens here. There is at least one shooting incident a day, just in the DFW area - that is a fact.

And I understand a gun is only a tool, but you can't kill 50 people in a nightclub, or 20 kids in a school so quickly and easily with a hammer or a screwdriver can you? While it would be the ultimate solution, I do get that you will never be able to ban ALL guns over here, but there is absolutely no justification or need for people to possess AR-15s and the like. And I personally know people over here who legally possess those, several pistols, shotguns, even a .50 calibre, fully scoped sniper rifle. Madness. The Australians are proof of what can be done, but it took the horror of Port Arthur to push it over the line. Since then - 20 years ago - zero mass shootings, where over here there have been 1260 mass shootings in 1000 days - that is also a fact, and a sad one as how many of those could have been avoided with gun control? I just don't get what it will actually take over here to make people see sense.

Sorry if I'm passionate about it but I just see needless death day after day with no reasonable justification for keeping the tools used to enact it in the hands of the general populace. I guess we've just got to accept that Americans value the right to possess guns more than the rights of their citizens to live a life without the threat of being shot.

[perthblue02]

Guardian reporting that she has died...

And now Sky News.

Yes unfortunately other media now reporting it,this is absolutely dreadful news.

[Tom]

Horrific news rest in peace

[Gav]

Poor poor woman

RIP Jo Cox.

[Stuart]

Something quite odd about this one if the reports are anything to go by. 52 yo arrested. We need to wait for more facts but on the face of it, it looks like mental health issues.

Her poor family. RIP.

[RibbleValleyRover]

41 years old and a mother of two young children

Tragic and so awfully sad

[Stuart]

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[Tom]

Actually you are right it's best to wait for more info

Lots of misinformation around these days with Twitter so the Britain first link may be sensationalist

[Amo]

Are you aware a gun is a tool, just like a hammer or a screw driver?

And what's the function of this tool? To shoot things dead, not to fix a wonky table leg.

[Mike E]

RIP to the poor woman I'm horrified and angered by Jo Cox's murder today. People like her scumbag killer need to be forcefed their own @#/?!

[T J Hooker]

i hope people aren't so weak as to let this tragic incident influence their voting decision on the eu

[JBiz]

RIP to the poor woman I'm horrified and angered by Jo Cox's murder today. People like her scumbag killer need to be forcefed their own @#/?!

@#/? sick of the way the world is going. Hatred never solved anything.

[otto man]

And what's the function of this tool? To shoot things dead, not to fix a wonky table leg.

Absolutely! You are quite right and like any tool there is a time to use it and a time to not. Would you tighten a screw with a saw? My point is, there is use and misuse, and the fault lies not with the tool, but societies attitude to the tool and of course peoples attitude to each other. We live in a must have, greedy society and one which has no respect for authority and you think guns are the problem? I would say, think again!

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Dreadful stuff about Jo Cox. Dare i day the government are somewhat to blame if it is the case that the killer was mentally ill? Their campaign tactics in recent weeks have consisted of threats and bullying. Telling the public that about 50 different horrible things are going to happen to them if Brexit occurs, threatening a punishment budget. It's been all manner of unseemly and way over the line. Could it affect/freak out mentally ill and vulnerable people?

In any case if the killer is sane then I hope and am sure he'll be put away for life. An absolute horrible excuse for a human being who was too thick to realise the huge damage he has likely done to his cause. Who wants to associate with a cretin like that? I hope we have immaculate behaviour from the Brexiteers here on in.

[T J Hooker]

Am i the only one that finds it really odd that this ladies husband has already made the statements that he has, I dont know about you but i feel that if i lost somebody(especially in such a quick and shocking way) as close to me as a wife(and mother of may children) id be way too out of my mind to put together such a coherent and thoughtful statement/tribute only hours afterwards.

[Tom]

Am i the only one that finds it really odd that this ladies husband has already made the statements that he has, I dont know about you but i feel that if i lost somebody(especially in such a quick and shocking way) as close to me as a wife(and mother of may children) id be way too out of my mind to put together such a coherent and thoughtful statement/tribute only hours afterwards.

Stop being so cynical it's an absolutely beautiful tribute to a loving mum, maybe writing that is helping him deal with it

[T J Hooker]

Sorry, it was just meant as an observation more than cynicism, At this early stage i'd just have thought that most people would still be too confused and messed up trying to get their head around what's happened

[Steve Moss]

Yep the opinion of a self-confessed right wing gun nut with a vested interest in firearms as a means of income is always a reasoned argument.

I confess I am a "right wing gun nut". I have no vested income interest in guns, however, so I am surmising that you are not referring to me.

​If you are referring to Larry Correia, I think he'd also admit to be a "right wing gun nut". As to his supposed income interest, he is a former part owner of a gun store and a former CCW instructor. Now he's a writer. You would know that if you were reading for comprehension as opposed to looking for supposed gotcha points.

​None of which undermines his arguments. He's dead on.

Good grief !!

Is this Christian extremism American style ?

It is Christian extremism, albeit the extremism is limited to words. Islamic extremism is not so limited. Which is worse?

And I understand a gun is only a tool, but you can't kill 50 people in a nightclub, or 20 kids in a school so quickly and easily with a hammer or a screwdriver can you?

This indicates a lack of creativity. A hammer and a screw driver are tools that can be used to kill a lot more than 50 people. Tampering with a gas line is one of many examples.

[Gav]

Sorry, it was just meant as an observation more than cynicism, At this early stage i'd just have thought that most people would still be too confused and messed up trying to get their head around what's happened

You just had a rant on another thread about this poor woman, thankfully that bile has been removed.

[wolfie]

Dreadful stuff about Jo Cox. Dare i day the government are somewhat to blame if it is the case that the killer was mentally ill? Their campaign tactics in recent weeks have consisted of threats and bullying. Telling the public that about 50 different horrible things are going to happen to them if Brexit occurs, threatening a punishment budget. It's been all manner of unseemly and way over the line.

The important thing, in tragic situations like this, is to make sure you do some political point scoring. Well done.

[T J Hooker]

This indicates a lack of creativity. A hammer and a screw driver are tools that can be used to kill a lot more than 50 people. Tampering with a gas line is one of many examples.

sorry but thats weak argument

[joey_big_nose]

This indicates a lack of creativity. A hammer and a screw driver are tools that can be used to kill a lot more than 50 people. Tampering with a gas line is one of many examples.

This argument is bizarre in the extreme. How many people are killed globally by tampering with gas lines? When the army drive in to battle do they think "I've got a great way of effciently killing people. Lets tamper with their gas lines!". How is that example in anyway comparable to the people killed with firearms? It is a simple step of logic to deduce availability of guns makes it hugely easier to kill people. That's why people who want to kill people - legally or illegally - tend to buy them. Just have a think about the contortions you are going through to defend your position. It's not sane.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

The important thing, in tragic situations like this, is to make sure you do some political point scoring. Well done.

Hardly political point scoring, it's a genuine concern. I've never heard a government try to intimidate its own people so much in my lifetime. I'll wait to see if he was mentally ill before pressing the point but all I'm saying is maybe if people had just been left to decide, tensions wouldn't have come close to the level they've reached. My post was about understanding the motivation for the murder, not attacking the principles of the Remain vote.

[Husky]

What's all this about "uniting against the hate that killed her"?