Al Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Yep! Who could ever trust Gove now after his cynical backstabbing of his colleague Boris Johnson. Boris appears to have recovered well and who would bet against him making another attempt at the party leadership in the future.
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Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted July 14, 2016 Moderation Lead Posted July 14, 2016 I must admit, I'd have loved to see the expression on Gove's face this morning when he received his marching orders and found out Johnson was being welcomed back into the fold!
Husky Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Hell, for those that thought Boris and Trump was bad . . . imagine May and Clinton? Crazy hormonal women do not good leaders make.
Steve Kean's Hypnotoad Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 French foreign minister starts of his relationship with Johnson by insulting him. Puts some perspective on the whole thing really doesn't it. Boris is offensive because he makes accidental gaffes, certain allies are offensive because they're being deliberately rude.
yoda Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 French foreign minister starts of his relationship with Johnson by insulting him. Puts some perspective on the whole thing really doesn't it. Boris is offensive because he makes accidental gaffes, certain allies are offensive because they're being deliberately rude. He is French, he was born that way
Husky Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Seems like a bit of a cunning fix. Give a buffoon the job of sorting out the Brexit knowing full well he'll cock it up. That May is a sly one. 1980's Britain here we come!!!
yoda Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 Seems like a bit of a cunning fix. Give a buffoon the job of sorting out the Brexit knowing full well he'll cock it up. That May is a sly one. 1980's Britain here we come!!! Except he is likely to do a good job, like he did in London. Looks like he has made a good start if the French are booing him http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36798992
ABBEY Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 30 dead ... Mowed down by a wagon in nice apperently . Gunshots heard . Total evil @#/?s .
Baz Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 30 dead ... Mowed down by a wagon in nice apperently . Gunshots heard . Total evil @#/?s . BBC reporting dozens feared killed out celebrating Bastille day. Awful news.
Audax Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 France is OVER! They may have said that in 1915 and 1940 too; but they certainly have a problem and how does one go about it?
Steve Moss Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 This argument is bizarre in the extreme. How many people are killed globally by tampering with gas lines? When the army drive in to battle do they think "I've got a great way of effciently killing people. Lets tamper with their gas lines!". How is that example in anyway comparable to the people killed with firearms? It is a simple step of logic to deduce availability of guns makes it hugely easier to kill people. That's why people who want to kill people - legally or illegally - tend to buy them. Just have a think about the contortions you are going through to defend your position. It's not sane. This horrific data indicates he and you couldn't be more wrong sadly. There is an obvious correlation between the number of guns, the lack of gun control and the number of mass shootings - can't you see this? http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence So I should disarm to be safer? Not happening.
adopted scouser Posted July 15, 2016 Author Posted July 15, 2016 France is OVER! That reads as pretty flippant if you don't mind me saying
Audax Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 I'm hearing the Military is trying to overthrow the Turkish Govt. Some say they have; I don't know. These are some times we are living in. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ankara-turkey-gunshot-military-coup-1.3681441
perthblue02 Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Turkish president urging people to go out on the streets because democracy is on their side in a skype/facetime interview with a TV station- not going to end well Reddit live thread on the Military takeover https://www.reddit.com/live/x9gf3donjlkq
Steve Kean's Hypnotoad Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Go on the Turkish army. Them and the Egyptian army seem to be the only groups standing up to the scourge of extremist Islam these days now western liberals have successfully hamstrung the US/Britain. Bloody good on them, I hope Erdogan gets strung up.
Backroom Tom Posted July 15, 2016 Backroom Posted July 15, 2016 If this coup fails then Turkey is going to be just awful, the fallout will be horrific Seems people are taking to the streets to fight them and not sure the military will want to fire on civilians too much
Baz Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Do we want the coup to succeed or fail? What do the people of Turkey want to happen?
perthblue02 Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 If this coup fails then Turkey is going to be just awful, the fallout will be horrific Seems people are taking to the streets to fight them and not sure the military will want to fire on civilians too much There seems to be a hell of a lot of gunfire on the Bosphurus bridge, watching BBC world news and they are blocking the sound, but other live feeds via the web sound is on. Reported 17 dead after helicopter attack on Turkish special forces HQ
Steve Kean's Hypnotoad Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Do we want the coup to succeed or fail? What do the people of Turkey want to happen? Shows how far from reason out society has fallen that that's even a question. This f'ing c*** forced the democratically elected prime minister out of power because he was moderate. He created a climate where people were assaulted with weapons in Istanbul for listening to music, he told Turkish women they were traitors for using contraception. I mean seriously? Is this the shameful blind spot in western liberals rearing its ignorant head here or what? It seriously p***** me off that it's even up for debate who we want to win. More than that it worries me. These precious civilians opposing the army are the same rent-a-mob scum breed who sheltered a Paris attacker for 6 months in Belgium.
jim mk2 Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The Turkish army is about to impose a right wing junta regime run by the military and an important buffer state is heading for civil war and it's all the fault of western liberals. Well blow me down, why didn't AJP Taylor think of that one ?
Steve Kean's Hypnotoad Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The Turkish army is about to impose a right wing junta Implying the previous regime wasn't right wing???? UNDER ERDOGAN PEOPLE WERE ATTACKED WITH BASEBALL BATS AND IRON BARS FOR LISTENING TO A RADIOHEAD ALBUM.
jim mk2 Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Seems fair enough to me. Radiohead are awful. I blame western liberals.
Baz Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Shows how far from reason out society has fallen that that's even a question. This f'ing c*** forced the democratically elected prime minister out of power because he was moderate. He created a climate where people were assaulted with weapons in Istanbul for listening to music, he told Turkish women they were traitors for using contraception. I mean seriously? Is this the shameful blind spot in western liberals rearing its ignorant head here or what? It seriously p***** me off that it's even up for debate who we want to win. More than that it worries me. These precious civilians opposing the army are the same rent-a-mob scum breed who sheltered a Paris attacker for 6 months in Belgium. So from what I know, it's unclear who is running the coup, and how much of the military is taking part / not opposing the coup. Surely that's the first question. As for the tirade about the right wing forcing out the moderate....and it being the left wing fault. I'm sorry but I that doesn't make any sense to me.
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