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[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

So no reliable evidence whatsoever to back up your assertion then?

Whatever. Ignore the fact that every credible prediction of the future is based solely on maths. Betting sites, the stock market, pensions etc.

I'm not spending hours researching something that might well have been never fully recorded. I just included some established facts and intelligent guesses. What do you want exactly?

After all calculations like i just did are EXACTLY what the government and their P.C. manipulators don't want you being able to do (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/02/national-census).

[Husky]

So no reliable evidence whatsoever to back up your assertion then?

I think there are loads of official stats that show the Muslim population has increased dramatically in recent years.

Even a 'lefty' newspaper ran an article about the 'population doubling' a while back.

Anyway, I think most of us (depending where we live or visit) can see real life evidence of this happening. I almost started a thread after a 2 week September holiday back in Blackburn - about how the place now depresses me (and nothing to do with the football). Needless to say during those - for want of a better phrase - Indian summer September days I did a lot of walking around and I was quite shocked to see how much the demographics in areas I used to frequent had changed.

I know several who are happily married.

Do you have any reliable evidence to back that up?

[Baz]

Whatever. Ignore the fact that every credible prediction of the future is based solely on maths. Betting sites, the stock market, pensions etc.

I'm not spending hours researching something that might well have been never fully recorded. I just included some established facts and intelligent guesses. What do you want exactly?

After all calculations like i just did are EXACTLY what the government and their P.C. manipulators don't want you being able to do (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/02/national-census).

So thats a no then.

Lets start with 2 things, you are assuming that a very large majority of immigrants are Muslims. You also have made up the figure of an average of 4 children per Muslim household both now, and continuing into the future. Both those have a massive effect on your figures.

If you make bold statements, expect to be challenged. If you can't be bothered checking them yourself, then why portray them as a basic truth?

[Audax]

Who makes demographic predictions is Daniel Pipes.

http://www.danielpipes.org/

Just saying, I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree.

[ultrablue]

So Muslim parents have Muslim children?

Yet I am always told that Islamophobes are not racist, because Islam is not a race.

Funny that.

[JBiz]

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[ultrablue]

Every Muslim I have taught in the last 10 years (probably over a hundred of them) has been white.

[jim mk2]

Every Muslim I have taught in the last 10 years (probably over a hundred of them) has been white.

That'll confuse the racists (visions of wires sparking in their befuddled brains!!)

:lol:

[Al]

So no reliable evidence whatsoever to back up your assertion then?

Just sound common sense and mathematics.

[Audax]

So Muslim parents have Muslim children?

Yet I am always told that Islamophobes are not racist, because Islam is not a race.

Funny that.

Yes, it is funny you bring race into it.

[ultrablue]

My point was Hypnotoad forgot that Islam is a religion and is therefore social not genetic when he did his birthrate 'maths'.

The census on religion is self reported.

What I believe he was actually talking about was the potential increase in the number of people of pakistani, bangladeshi etc. heritage. He can correvt me if I'm wrong.

By the way, I'm pleased that the british jedi population has seen a massive increase over the last few decades.

[ABBEY]

Every Muslim I have taught in the last 10 years (probably over a hundred of them) has been white.

Why mention colour?

That'll confuse the racists (visions of wires sparking in their befuddled brains!!)

:lol:

Racists ? Bang out of order statement there !

Please explain how questioning the age of the "children" is racist?

[JBiz]

Edit - ball going home

[ABBEY]

Er no it's not. You ignore the calls for sharia law , the intolerance of wearing mini skirts ( does that deserve a whipping) , the stoning of adulterers , the wanting of the world to be Muslim , but hey ho jazz youbcrack on and call the non Muslims in your class . Give Corbyn a call I'm sure he like you.

[Amo]

I think you are also forgetting the terrible atrocities committed by the Japanese in their POW camps. Those POWs in Europe got away very lightly in comparison.

If you have the stomach for it, read up on Unit 731.

Unfortunately, most of the scientists involved got pardoned as the Americans wanted the research.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

So thats a no then.

Lets start with 2 things, you are assuming that a very large majority of immigrants are Muslims. You also have made up the figure of an average of 4 children per Muslim household both now, and continuing into the future. Both those have a massive effect on your figures.

If you make bold statements, expect to be challenged. If you can't be bothered checking them yourself, then why portray them as a basic truth?

Well for starters I completely left out the effects of growth through kids of every Muslim entering the country in the next 50 years. That is likely to be a whopping number.

Secondly my figures (even without the above) predict 60% Muslim by 2065. Fine you don't think that's right, how about 60% by 2075 then? 2085? How far out do you think they can possibly be? I mean just look at primary school intake right now, look at Blackburn or London.

I can accept my timescale might not be spot on (well, I still think it pretty much is but I get why its being questioned) but to deny the phenomenon occurring all together in say this century is a real head in the sand job.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing (apart from the overpopulation effects). It won't be a bad thing if full integration occurs, but how is that ever going to happen with the current immigration rate? I'm sure quite a few people on here think I'm racist, well I'm not. I couldn't care less about race, what I care about is societal principles and beliefs. One of the most moderate Muslim countries in the world in Turkey is lurching back towards the dark ages at a rate of knots.

People attacked with baseball bats and iron bars in a rock bar in Istanbul for listening to the new Radiohead album during Ramadan. What a sobering indication of how horrifying a society can be become once the slow seeping spread of religion suddenly crystallises and takes control.

[JBiz]

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[ABBEY]

How dare you actually accuse me of being a racist

, I think legal advice may be required on this accusation.

[Audax]

In Turkey 100 years ago, there was genocide against the Armenians and Assyrians, in the early 1970s, genocide occurred in Bangladesh, what we have witnessed in Nigeria, Syria and Iraq in the last few years, has been genocide again. It's not hard to see who is doing this also

http://aina.org/

Honour Killings, Female Genital Mutilation, etc. some screwed up customs too.

[JBiz]

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[Audax]

They just busted someone in London on terrorist charges with a suspicious package on a bus.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-37731195

Must be the story, I don't know the details yet.

[Husky]

Does anyone remember this? Back when little Blackburn was the shining light of multiculturalism and Muslim integration (at least according to those that live in the Countryside).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZuzRSYSsqo

[Audax]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-37734096

London City Airport evacuated in 'chemical' scare

[Baz]

Well for starters I completely left out the effects of growth through kids of every Muslim entering the country in the next 50 years. That is likely to be a whopping number.

Secondly my figures (even without the above) predict 60% Muslim by 2065. Fine you don't think that's right, how about 60% by 2075 then? 2085? How far out do you think they can possibly be? I mean just look at primary school intake right now, look at Blackburn or London.

I can accept my timescale might not be spot on (well, I still think it pretty much is but I get why its being questioned) but to deny the phenomenon occurring all together in say this century is a real head in the sand job.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing (apart from the overpopulation effects). It won't be a bad thing if full integration occurs, but how is that ever going to happen with the current immigration rate? I'm sure quite a few people on here think I'm racist, well I'm not. I couldn't care less about race, what I care about is societal principles and beliefs. One of the most moderate Muslim countries in the world in Turkey is lurching back towards the dark ages at a rate of knots.

People attacked with baseball bats and iron bars in a rock bar in Istanbul for listening to the new Radiohead album during Ramadan. What a sobering indication of how horrifying a society can be become once the slow seeping spread of religion suddenly crystallises and takes control.

Your figures are based on a large number of assumptions though, so they could be completely wrong. Take your birth rate number for example (grasped from an opinion), the number of children of muslims needs to only drop a fraction, and you can elongate the timescales by a large amount. Take a drop in immigration (after all one of the key arguments of Brexit), or change the ratio of muslims in that number, again the effect on the timescale would be large.

Obviously if the muslim population expands at a larger rate than the Christian population, then at some point in time it will be larger, but I don't believe that number is likely to happen in many, many generations, by which point the muslim community in my opinion will be far more integrated anyway.

[Dreyski]

How dare you actually accuse me of being a racist

, I think legal advice may be required on this accusation.

Grow the @#/? up and accept that sometimes the cap fits.

(I'll take my ban now mods please)