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[yoda]

I said biblical law because although there are a lot of Christian denominations they all share one book.

No idea what you are getting at with that second question. Killing people breaks that law saying its illegal to kill people.

I see, the bible says you shall not kill, the law in most countries says you shall not kill but it would seem some Muslims can justify killing because the rest of the civilised world does not agree with their medieval "way of life"

When I say justify they actually think it is acceptable and normal practice, it also appears they enjoy inventing ever more horrendous ways of doing it.

[ultrablue]

Every nation in history has justified killing - it's called war.

Radical Muslim terrorists do not have a monopoly on murder that they think they can justify.

[yoda]

Every nation in history has justified killing - it's called war.

So we are at war with Muslims which are not a country by the way

[ultrablue]

Again I can't understand what you are getting at, so I've clarified what I said before.

[yoda]

_{I am trying to understand how killing can be jus}

_{Again I can't understand what you are getting at, so I've clarified what I said before.}

_{I am trying to understand how killing can be justified in this case.}

[ultrablue]

Well you ll be trying for a while because it can't be justified.

[yoda]

Trump may just have a point then

[Steve Moss]

Trump may just have a point then

He was certainly right about British police having no go zones, despite our political masters telling us it wasn't true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352406/Scotland-Yard-mocks-Trump-s-claims-London-police-terrified-Muslim-areas-officers-claim-tycoon-RIGHT.html

Apparently one of those no go zones is in Lancashire. Sad.

I do think it funny that a UK college has revoked Trump's honorary degree. No chance that they'll regret that, is there?

To be fair, there are also no go zones in the USA.

[yoda]

He was certainly right about British police having no go zones, despite our political masters telling us it wasn't true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352406/Scotland-Yard-mocks-Trump-s-claims-London-police-terrified-Muslim-areas-officers-claim-tycoon-RIGHT.html

Apparently one of those no go zones is in Lancashire. Sad.

I do think it funny that a UK college has revoked Trump's honorary degree. No chance that they'll regret that, is there?

To be fair, there are also no go zones in the USA.

Not meaning to quibble but it is a Scottish college.

In reality the UK is already doing what Trump has suggested, the UK is not in the Schengen zone and is only taking refugees direct from Syria after they have been vetted on the ground i.e. trying to determine just what the hell is going on before they are allowed in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35059488

[ultrablue]

Not meaning to quibble but it is a Scottish college.

In reality the UK is already doing what Trump has suggested, the UK is not in the Schengen zone and is only taking refugees direct from Syria after they have been vetted on the ground i.e. trying to determine just what the hell is going on before they are allowed in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35059488

Donald Trump has suggested he would put a blanket ban on all people identified as Muslim entering the US; refugees, tourists, students, business people, diplomats, the lot. The UK is doing nothing like that.

[yoda]

Donald Trump has suggested he would put a blanket ban on all people identified as Muslim entering the US; refugees, tourists, students, business people, diplomats, the lot. The UK is doing nothing like that.

he qualified it by saying until the USA find out what is going on, or do you just want to ignore that bit,

here is what was said

Donald Trump evoked outrage from across the political spectrum Monday by calling for a “total and complete shutdown” of Muslims entering the U.S., a proposal that taps into voter anxiety about the recent spate of terrorist attacks yet likely runs afoul of religious freedoms enshrined in the Constitution.

“It is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension,” Mr. Trump said. “Where this hatred comes from and why, we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.”

His campaign said he would keep the ban intact “until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on,” including the facts around the two attackers who killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif., last week. Syed Rizwan Farook, a U.S. citizen, and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, a legal immigrant who had a green card, were killed in a shootout with the police after the massacre.

In an interview on Fox News, Mr. Trump said he would ease the ban in the case of Muslims serving in the U.S. military and allow them to return home.

[ultrablue]

he qualified it by saying until the USA find out what is going on, or do you just want to ignore that bit

Oh until they 'find out what is going on'??? Well thank goodness he came out with some specifics! I was starting to think he was just an attention seeking media whore whose name hadn't been mentioned for 2 days.

[yoda]

Oh until they 'find out what is going on'??? Well thank goodness he came out with some specifics! I was starting to think he was just an attention seeking media whore whose name hadn't been mentioned for 2 days.

You mean like the terrorists, except he hasn't killed anyone that we know about

[K-Hod]

Just out of interest, what happens to American Muslims under Donald Trump's plans? His proposals won't stop acts like the one in California.

[yoda]

Just out of interest, what happens to American Muslims? Are they being rounded up and sent to Guantanamo Bay?

Did anyone suggest it ?

[K-Hod]

Did anyone suggest it ?

No, I was just curious. He mentions not allowing any more Muslims in, ignoring the fact that many already live in the USA. Are they to be on lockdown as well?

[ultrablue]

Replying to yodas post four posts up.

Exactly. In many ways he is an extremist. He didn't commit any violence yet, but there are reports there has been violence at his rallys.

He craves the attention, just like any terrorist, and will go to any extreme to get it.

The moderate majority of conservative leaders are trying their hardest to distance themselves from his ideas, but try as they might, they just end up talking about Trump instead of conservatism. That sounds very much to me like every Muslim leader in the media.

I heard Trump called White ISIS last night on The Daily Show. The similarities are quite striking.

[yoda]

No, I was just curious. He mentions not allowing any more Muslims in until they know what is going on, ignoring the fact that many already live in the USA. Are they to be on lockdown as well?

Just corrected it for you, was it left wing myopia that made you not see it in my post to ultra blue.

[K-Hod]

Just corrected it for you, was it left wing myopia that made you not see it in my post to ultra blue.

No, I saw what you said, I just wrote that in a hurry. I'm not in any way myopic. I just don't agree with what Donald Trump said.

'Until we know what's going on' is very ambiguous in any case.

[yoda]

Replying to yodas post four posts up.

Exactly. In many ways he is an extremist. He didn't commit any violence yet, but there are reports there has been violence at his rallys.

He craves the attention, just like any terrorist, and will go to any extreme to get it.

The moderate majority of conservative leaders are trying their hardest to distance themselves from his ideas, but try as they might, they just end up talking about Trump instead of conservatism. That sounds very much to me like every Muslim leader in the media.

I heard Trump called White ISIS last night on The Daily Show. The similarities are quite striking.

In bold, Biggest load of tosh I have ever read on this MB

[K-Hod]

I don't know, it would make sense for a presidential candidate to gain as much attention as possible. Look around, it's working isn't it? How much is he being talked about, in a positive, negative and indifferent sense the world over!

Though I do think he believes everything he says.

[ultrablue]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/

This was a week ago. Trump saying he would kill the families of suspected terrorists. Civilians, innocent children, grandmothers. He sounds like a violent extremist to me.

[yoda]

I don't know, it would make sense for a presidential candidate to gain as much attention as possible. Look around, it's working isn't it? How much is he being talked about, in a positive, negative and indifferent sense the world over!

Talking yes but come on, for ultra blue to suggest he would go to any extreme is way beyond what anyone has said, IS go to extremes, they cut peoples head off, they burn people alive, they gun people down at rock concerts etc etc, to put Trump in that category is frankly ridiculous,

cue references from some quarters to past despots who started out by just talking

[Audax]

I was reading France has closed 3 Mosques, they found a cache of weapons, hundreds. And they may well close many more.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/09/while-we-fight-over-trump-france-closes-3-mosques-finds-hundreds-of-weapons/

Look at Tunisia after they suffered a terrorist attack, they closed 80 Mosques.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/world/africa/rift-widens-in-tunisia-as-government-cracks-down-on-mosques.html?_r=0

People should not have to die first before commonsense measures are imposed and I doubt if people can credibly accuse the above of being "Islamophobic".

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/

This was a week ago. Trump saying he would kill the families of suspected terrorists. Civilians, innocent children, grandmothers. He sounds like a violent extremist to me.

If one can be fair, Trump was talking about a human shield situation.

I assume one would make likewise conclusions per a reported US/coalition airstrike killing 26 civilians with more missing.

I am sure, one says worse of the US President now, in being fair and impartial.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/syrian-civilians-killed-us-airstrike

[yoda]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/

This was a week ago. Trump saying he would kill the families of suspected terrorists. Civilians, innocent children, grandmothers. He sounds like a violent extremist to me.

Did you actually listen to it or just cherry pick the media headline. He was referring to IS using family as shields when they are being attacked, not defending him at all by the way but try to be a bit more balanced when using snippets like this.

ps just seen your post above Audax, must have been at the same time