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[ultrablue]

No need to get personal Steve.

Your tone reminds me of this very presidential tweet from Mr. Trump:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/262584296081068033

[Beta Ray Bill]

Steve

You've defended Trump's position on some aspects of his campaign. Not yet seen anything (might have missed it) commenting on his hilarious mockery of a disabled journalist.

Care to share an insight into how anyone with even an iota of decency would do that, let alone someone who is trying to become the one of the most powerful men in the world? Is that another vote grabber tapping into a previously unknown vein of contempt in the States for another group of citizens not fitting into a view of purity?

[Audax]

Footballing news, man that sux, Honduras International shot dead in Honduras, played for the Rangers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35068362

"Arnold Peralta: Honduras footballer shot dead"

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Back a few years, Wilson Palacios brother was kidnapped and killed.

A Miss Honduras was killed in the past 2 or 3 years as well.

[Paul]

I can't help but feel you're a bit over the top with the "pummelled with fear" bit Pedro. I'd agree there are news organisations who want to spread half truths and fear simply to earn money from their demographic who thrive on this type of reporting. Examples of which are very easy to find.

He was certainly right about British police having no go zones, despite our political masters telling us it wasn't true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352406/Scotland-Yard-mocks-Trump-s-claims-London-police-terrified-Muslim-areas-officers-claim-tycoon-RIGHT.html

Apparently one of those no go zones is in Lancashire. Sad.

I do think it funny that a UK college has revoked Trump's honorary degree. No chance that they'll regret that, is there?

To be fair, there are also no go zones in the USA.

The Daily Mail has found five police officers who agree with Donald Trump and turns this in to a story designed to appeal to their readership illustrating the point I made above re half truths in the media.

Without wishing to cherry pick the article there are several points to pick up, in particular from the officer who originates from Burnley:

"But one serving officer in west London said: 'Islamification has and is occurring', adding: 'You have to have extra vigilance in certain parts when you are working'.

There is nothing untrue about this statement; we know people are being radicalised, the police are on a heightened state of alert, we can expect them to be at greater risk in some areas, the government have asked us all to be more vigilant in our daily lives. I'd be concerned if the police were not being extra vigilant.

The same officer is quoted re no go areas in Burnley when he was a teenager. Depending on his age, which we don't know, this could refer to any time from two to forty years ago. There's no reference point which means we cannot judge if this is a current problem or a historical one which may now be resolved.

Regarding travel to work in "half blues", which I take to mean partly wearing uniform, I would see this as a sensible precaution. The UK is on a high level of terror alert, police officers are more likely to be targets, why advertise the fact one is an officer when there is no need to. The police spend their working lives advertising themselves as targets why increase the risk by wearing part uniform outside of working hours?

This article deals in half truths and supposition in a method designed to sell to its very specific demographic which in itself is illustrative of a part of the problem. Provide the opportunity to stoke the fires, at a time when everyone should be attempting to dampen those fires, and the difficulties we face continue to grow though these half truths.

Perhaps it should also be mentioned at least once a year through the actions of a group of predominantly white individuals from Burnley, mainly male I guess, my civil liberty to travel wherever I wish is curtailed by the police and my football club to supposedly protect me from violence.

[Norbert Rassragr]

Anyone who votes for Trump is a moron. All he does is shout offensive comments, declare himself a demi-God and generally acts like a tit. I've not really heard him mention any policies that would 'make America great' other than keeping out the 'brown people'.

[jim mk2]

It must be awful and embarrassing for those people who feel they have to go through life as a right winger. In that respect I do feel sorry for them. But if some deranged American people are considering voting for racist scum like Trump then all sympathy goes out of the window.

It is also sad reflection of US society that Americas is willing to tolerate Trump, never mind vote for him. Over here, the BNP leader (can't remember his name) enjoyed a certain amount of publicity and his party a rise in popularity before he made the mistake of appearing on BBC's Question Time - where he was revealed to be shallow and inarticulate. He and his party have since disappeared without trace.

People who are signing a petition banning Trump from this country are wrong. Let's invite him over here and give him a grilling on TV with some hard questioning instead of the soft-soap stuff he gets from so-called journalists on American television.

[Gav]

It must be awful and embarrassing for those people who feel they have to go through life as a right winger. In that respect I do feel sorry for them. But if some deranged American people are considering voting for racist scum like Trump then all sympathy goes out of the window.

It is also sad reflection of US society that Americas is willing to tolerate Trump, never mind vote for him. Over here, the BNP leader (can't remember his name) enjoyed a certain amount of publicity and his party a rise in popularity before he made the mistake of appearing on BBC's Question Time - where he was revealed to be shallow and inarticulate. He and his party have since disappeared without trace.

People who are signing a petition banning Trump from this country are wrong. Let's invite him over here and give him a grilling on TV with some hard questioning instead of the soft-soap stuff he gets from so-called journalists on American television.

You watched last nights question time also Jim 😉

[speeeeeeedie]

Why do you think Trump is racist?

Re=tweeting alleged bad crime statistics makes him a racist?

Exactly what has he said that's racist?

In your eyes nothing. I suspect that you aren't Mexican, black, or Muslim, therefore it doesn't matter to you. However, even Lindsey Graham - someone who is definitely on the political right - called him for being a "race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot" and that Trump "is not a Republican, he’s a fraud": http://www.wmur.com/politics/graham-stops-short-of-saying-he-would-not-support-trump-as-gop-nominee/36902568

This lot are happy about Trump's non-racist comments though; http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620

Good luck if you vote for Trump. If you are closer to doing so because of Jim then he will be happy. A vote for Trump is a vote for a Democrat presidency in 2016.

[yoda]

We need to stop agreeing Jim, people will talk!

Via PM I hope

[Audax]

Senator Lindsay Graham, 1% popularity in the polls but I think Graham is a good man.

Still, often one needs to read exactly what Trump said, I really don't think he is xenophobic or racist.

The woman who was involved in that shooting in San Bernadino indeed was not properly vetted, she was a radical before she came over. I think all Trump was saying was that until immigrants, Muslims namely can be properly vetted, there should be a moratorium until the situation is under control.

But people here what they want to hear.

Likewise, about Mexico, he just talked about controlling the borders and undoubtedly, some riffraff comes across the border.

All of these problems with Terrorism lately has taken the attention off of other problems such as Mexico basically having a big problem with these Cartels, another good reason to secure the borders actually.

Bloody hell, many accuse their own government of Mexico of killing these students: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35035771 that has been a big scandal.

The states in Mexico really can not be controlled now from the central government, it is a mess and towns people now, have set up Vigilante Self defense groups to protect their own towns and this is not so much at the border but within the country. All that said, I think it is a charming country but has definitely hit very tough times for 10 years now.

Australian surfers were killed in Mexico: http://www.examiner.com/article/australian-surfer-murders-arrests-made-mexico , though I don't surf, I once knew an Australian surfer who went to ride the waves near Acupulco so I know it is somewhat common for Australians to go there and surf.

"Mexican Self-Defense Leader Recovers Under Threat From Cartels" http://www.npr.org/2014/01/13/262185965/mexican-self-defense-leader-recovers-under-threat-from-cartels See, right now, at times even, it appears the local governments in Mexico are in cahoots with the cartels, criminal gangs, the people have set up self-defense groups.

It's all a big mess.

[Audax]

I'm sorry old son, but these kinds of things are not needed.

West Midlands Police praised for action on female genital mutilation and forced marriages http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/west-midlands-police-praised-action-10571687 145 new cases of female genital mutilation in Coventry every year

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/145-new-coventry-cases-female-6809655

Whatever culture does these things and more than one may, it is not specified in the Quran should not be doing it, somehow some cultures practice it.

[Paul]

Audax Trump said this:

"They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists, I think he then went on to say how he would build a wall to keep Mexicans out.

[Paul]

This I think sums it all up very nicely. Donald Trump wants to keep Muslims out of the USA. He and some of his potential supporters, from what I gather from earlier comments, are not keen on Sharia law and the activities of radical Muslims.

In 1995 Donald Trump was present at a fund raising dinner for Sinn Fein. Four months later IRA TERRORISTS bombed Canary Wharf. Mr Trump was happy to shake hands with, amongst others, Gerry Adams.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-attended-sinn-f-in-fundraiser-months-before-ira-attacked-london-a6767601.html

For the avoidance of doubt on this not only did the IRA commit acts of terrorism but also regularly carried out barbaric torture on their prisoners, shot children and other innocents. I won't go in to detail but beating a man's brains out and inserting a red hot poker seems to me to be unacceptable but clearly not to some.

For some graphic detail on IRA torture please see Hansard:

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1972/may/25/northern-irelandira-activities

[Audax]

"They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists, I think he then went on to say how he would build a wall to keep Mexicans out.

"And some, I assume, are good people" - He said this in his same statement..

. “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best…They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/24/donald-trump-mexican-americans-take.html

I don't know if he is talking about all that come across the border; yes, some Mexicans come over because their system is not caring for them, in a sense sending them over, maybe they even dump the prisons out, "sending them" is a subjective interpretation for me.

This I think sums it all up very nicely. Donald Trump wants to keep Muslims out of the USA. He and some of his potential supporters, from what I gather from earlier comments, are not keen on Sharia law and the activities of radical Muslims.

In 1995 Donald Trump was present at a fund raising dinner for Sinn Fein. Four months later IRA TERRORISTS bombed Canary Wharf. Mr Trump was happy to shake hands with, amongst others, Gerry Adams.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-attended-sinn-f-in-fundraiser-months-before-ira-attacked-london-a6767601.html

For the avoidance of doubt on this not only did the IRA commit acts of terrorism but also regularly carried out barbaric torture on their prisoners, shot children and other innocents. I won't go in to detail but beating a man's brains out with a pistol butt and inserting a red hot poker seems to me to be unacceptable but clearly not to some.

For some graphic detail on IRA torture please see Hansard:

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1972/may/25/northern-irelandira-activities

And that would probably apply to the Kennedys too who are held up in adulation by many, I believe Teddy given some sort of honour in England at that which of course, was protested along the same lines as stated above. The Kennedys may well have helped fund the IRA.

Kennedy To Be Knighted By The Queen

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/call-sir-ted-kennedy-senator-knighted-queen-elizabeth-article-1.365936

[Paul]

What the Kennedys may or may not have done is irrelevant. Trump is running for President and the discussion is about him not the Kennedys.

Sounds like you support him Audax.

[Audax]

What the Kennedys may or may not have done is irrelevant. Trump is running for President and the discussion is about him not the Kennedys.

Sounds like you support him Audax.

I think people should be defended if they are unfairly pilloried.

Also, what the Kennedys have done may well be relevant if they are given honours in the UK but did the same kinds of things or worse. Mr. Trump hasn't been knighted.

[Audax]

Donald Trump is not my candidate but misinterpreting things is a different matter, some say Hillary Clinton lied about Benghazi. I guess interpretation is subjective. She did indeed tell two different stories whether that is lying or not, one needs to read up.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Actually sod it, I need to stay out of these things

[speeeeeeedie]

Donald Trump is not my candidate but misinterpreting things is a different matter, some say Hillary Clinton lied about Benghazi. I guess interpretation is subjective. She did indeed tell two different stories whether that is lying or not, one needs to read up.

There is very little misrepresenting going on. Trump talks tripe and vitriol on a daily basis. He offers no policy details aside from his shameful self promotion as being a great negotiator.

I'd no idea about his IRA past. Another reason to not like him.

He is also reportedly very handy with his pursuit of lawsuits. He's happy to threaten to sue anyone who speaks out against him for "harming his brand".

The fact that he is held in such high esteem by numerous white supremacist organizations says it all for me. He's a sideshow that should be ignored.

[Audax]

Obama seems to have ties with a former Weather Underground member, a terror group per many, Bill Ayres and he seems like a bad person so suspicious ties perhaps can be drawn with many politicians.

[adopted scouser]

This I think sums it all up very nicely. Donald Trump wants to keep Muslims out of the USA. He and some of his potential supporters, from what I gather from earlier comments, are not keen on Sharia law and the activities of radical Muslims.

In 1995 Donald Trump was present at a fund raising dinner for Sinn Fein. Four months later IRA TERRORISTS bombed Canary Wharf. Mr Trump was happy to shake hands with, amongst others, Gerry Adams.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-attended-sinn-f-in-fundraiser-months-before-ira-attacked-london-a6767601.html

For the avoidance of doubt on this not only did the IRA commit acts of terrorism but also regularly carried out barbaric torture on their prisoners, shot children and other innocents. I won't go in to detail but beating a man's brains out and inserting a red hot poker seems to me to be unacceptable but clearly not to some.

For some graphic detail on IRA torture please see Hansard:

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1972/may/25/northern-irelandira-activities

Ex soldiers (those who are still alive) are being hauled into court 43 years after 'Bloody Sunday', whilst the murderers Adams and McGuinness have been elected to Parliament.

Nice company Mr Corbyn.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

They're still trying war criminals from WW 2 in Germany . Should they stop ?

[Amo]

They're still trying war criminals from WW 2 in Germany . Should they stop ?

Yes.

[yoda]

Yes.

What kind of message would that send out ?

[Amo]

What kind of message would that send out ?

We pardoned German & Japanese scientists who committed all manner of inhuman experiments on POWs because we wanted access to their research.

We can't cherry pick which war criminals deserve trying and which don't.