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Desperately sad story but I wonder if the dog sees his master having an epileptic fit the animal may well have been petrified of the situation and reacted to defend himself.

I'm not trying to defend the attack but it does seem an highly unusual situation.

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Dogs are generally a reflection of their owners. Dogs aren't wired to attack their owners for no reason. There's always a reason - sometimes a brain defect, but usually due to the current or previous owner having done something to condition the dog towards aggressive behaviour.

In the case of this lad, who knows how the dog was treated or trained to act. It may have freaked out and seen the epileptic fit as a threatening movement, but there could have been many other reasons. A well trained dog would never attack its owner without severe provocation or a disturbed mental state.

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I think, for me, it's a bit of both. Dogs are certainly a reflection of their owners - although certain owners select certain types of dog which the feel reflect them.

But the problem I have is the 'calibre' of the dogs that regularly appear in these news stories. Some dogs are just extremely powerful creatures. Any dog can turn but the damage that can be done by certain dogs is much worse than others.

And be honest, when was the last time anyone heard of a Golden Retriever or a Labrador attacking, let alone mauling or killing, anyone?

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I think, for me, it's a bit of both. Dogs are certainly a reflection of their owners - although certain owners select certain types of dog which the feel reflect them.

But the problem I have is the 'calibre' of the dogs that regularly appear in these news stories. Some dogs are just extremely powerful creatures. Any dog can turn but the damage that can be done by certain dogs is much worse than others.

And be honest, when was the last time anyone heard of a Golden Retriever or a Labrador attacking, let alone mauling or killing, anyone?

Because the likes of Staffys and pit bulls get reported more. Doesn't necessarily mean they attack people more.

I do take your point about certain breeds being more powerful though. My Staff is a strong little bugger and if he had a personality / temperament transplant and went for someone who wasn't particularly strong (in build or in will), then I wouldn't fancy their chances. Luckily, he has been trained not to jump up, etc. and responds to most people on command and the breed is generally accepted by the Kennel Club, RSPCA, etc. to be very people friendly ( hence the nickname "the nanny dog" http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/breed/display.aspx?id=3080 / http://www.battersea.org.uk/webbreed?pageId=040-dogbreed&breedId=21 ). I have my Staff around my 11 month old niece, my neighbour's kids (3, 7 and 11 year olds) and he has never been any kind of threat to any of them. They love him and he loves them. That's not to say I would ever trust either them or him to be alone together,but it really annoys me when stories like this get thrown out without details and the pit bull / staffy stereotype gets perpetuated with absolutely no knowledge or experience of the breed at all.

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Because the likes of Staffys and pit bulls get reported more. Doesn't necessarily mean they attack people more.

I do take your point about certain breeds being more powerful though. My Staff is a strong little bugger and if he had a personality / temperament transplant and went for someone who wasn't particularly strong (in build or in will), then I wouldn't fancy their chances. Luckily, he has been trained not to jump up, etc. and responds to most people on command and the breed is generally accepted by the Kennel Club, RSPCA, etc. to be very people friendly ( hence the nickname "the nanny dog" http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/breed/display.aspx?id=3080 / http://www.battersea.org.uk/webbreed?pageId=040-dogbreed&breedId=21 ). I have my Staff around my 11 month old niece, my neighbour's kids (3, 7 and 11 year olds) and he has never been any kind of threat to any of them. They love him and he loves them. That's not to say I would ever trust either them or him to be alone together,but it really annoys me when stories like this get thrown out without details and the pit bull / staffy stereotype gets perpetuated with absolutely no knowledge or experience of the breed at all.

Indeed, it's all about knowledge and understanding what dog you have. Too many people get a dog and have no idea how to train it. Rather than learn they just don't bother. Staffies and Pitbulls are two dogs that really need training and proper care, because of their strength, yet they get given to people who have no fecking clue what they are doing. Then stuff like this happens and people blame the dog. It's crazy. As always, humans are the problem, not the animal.

I would rant about us treating animals like property, too, but that's for another thread and time :)

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