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[Tom]

http://news.sky.com/story/1615553/saudi-executes-47-people-convicted-of-terrorism

should be a gimme worldwide.

What century are these folk living in, execution is one thing (I'm against for the record) but beheading and then crucifixion of the body whilst it rots is something else.

[T J Hooker]

I think, for me, it's a bit of both. Dogs are certainly a reflection of their owners - although certain owners select certain types of dog which the feel reflect them.

But the problem I have is the 'calibre' of the dogs that regularly appear in these news stories. Some dogs are just extremely powerful creatures. Any dog can turn but the damage that can be done by certain dogs is much worse than others.

And be honest, when was the last time anyone heard of a Golden Retriever or a Labrador attacking, let alone mauling or killing, anyone?

there's a ton more bullbreeds around than there are any other breed so obviously your going to see more stories about them than any other type of dog around here.

that said though you are right, when an american pitbull/pitbullX type does attack they can easily do far more damage(or kill) in a shorter space of time than most other commonly owned dogs, which is why they are banned by law, but its a law that is pretty impossible to police as things stand and it doesn't help that they are usually the dog of choice for morons that aren't fit to own any animal.

Staffordshire bull terriers are usually adorable very loving things though and people really do need to stop calling all bull breeds(especially pitbulls) 'staffies'

[Audax]

I'd say the Saudis shouldn't have executed that one Shia Cleric. Al Nimr.

2 views.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/analysis-saudi-mass-executions-about-survival-more-anything-82067822

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/executed-saudi-sheikh-nimr-was-not-terrorist-1350186437

A lot of hell is breaking loose over this.

The Saudis also executed a bunch of Al Qaeda related terrorists too.

[Stuart]

there's a ton more bullbreeds around than there are any other breed so obviously your going to see more stories about them than any other type of dog around here.

that said though you are right, when an american pitbull/pitbullX type does attack they can easily do far more damage(or kill) in a shorter space of time than most other commonly owned dogs, which is why they are banned by law, but its a law that is pretty impossible to police as things stand and it doesn't help that they are usually the dog of choice for morons that aren't fit to own any animal.

Staffordshire bull terriers are usually adorable very loving things though and people really do need to stop calling all bull breeds(especially pitbulls) 'staffies'

There's a chicken-and-egg there though. Moron's choose them for the same reason they choose their car. To them it's an extension of their self-perception - I'm powerful because I can handle/control a powerful dog/car. When it's actually compensation for their own inadequacies. Just a shame to put a dog in the middle of that.

[Pedro]

Is anyone aware of anybody who has actually been fined for not picking up their dog's muck? It angers me having to dodge the stuff with my kids. Same old bone idle culprits where I live, but like so much in life, nothing is done about it.

[yoda]

Is anyone aware of anybody who has actually been fined for not picking up their dog's muck? It angers me having to dodge the stuff with my kids. Same old bone idle culprits where I live, but like so much in life, nothing is done about it.

I wouldn't fine them,

Just rub the owners nose in it

and spread the dog dirt blues around a bit

[K-Hod]

One thing just as bad to me, when people pick it up, bag it, but then tie it to a tree! What on earth does that achieve?!

[Mike E]

One thing just as bad to me, when people pick it up, bag it, but then tie it to a tree! What on earth does that achieve?!

I used to do that walking my dogs round Jack Keys. Saved me carrying @#/? round and just picked it back up on my way back. I hope most sensible owners also remember to pick it up...

[ABBEY]

British kids in propaganda for Isis .. Scum ,

Hang the lot of them !!!!

Don't give me they are kids hang the lot !

[T J Hooker]

hang them yourself.

[Steve Moss]

I think Abbey was talking metaphorically. I hope.

I wouldn't be opposed to a public flogging or a day in the stocks, however. I can also be tempted to support revoking their citizenship and shipping them off to Syria where they can get a taste of what ISIS is actually about.

[yoda]

hang them yourself.

We used to have the main man for hangings in Lancashire

[Tom]

I haven't watched the video but isn't one of the kids 5-6 years old?

Is the main man in it meant to be a youngish lad as well?

[T J Hooker]

Am i the only person on the internet that never watches these propaganda videos(apart from the little snippets of them that they show on the news) and I've definitely never had any inclination at all to search for and watch the uncut versions of these videos or any torture, beheading, etc.. videos (past or present)

[Pedro]

Am i the only person on the internet that never watches these propaganda videos(apart from the little snippets of them that they show on the news) and I've definitely never had any inclination at all to search for and watch the uncut versions of these videos or any torture, beheading, etc.. videos (past or present)

I won't either. I came off Facebook because people kept sharing them etc. Whether they are real or not, you've got to be a sick, sad person to want to embed those images on your brain.

[Paul]

I think Abbey was talking metaphorically. I hope.

I wouldn't be opposed to a public flogging or a day in the stocks, however. I can also be tempted to support revoking their citizenship and shipping them off to Syria where they can get a taste of what ISIS is actually about.

In regard to executing a child history would suggest not.

If the story referred to is the current IS video featuring Siddhartha Dhar it seems he and the child are already in Syria or close by.

If I have the correct story you are stating you support, that is "would not be opposed to," the public flogging of a six year old child?

I'm asking because I would like to be clear. I would also like to understand how when the west rightly expresses horror at IS actions there is any justification for calling for the execution of children or "not being opposed to" flogging children?

These are precisely the actions by IS at which we express the deepest disgust and outrage.

It appears, based on very recent posts, yourself, possibly, and ABBEY, "hang the lot," support equally barbaric action by the west.

[ABBEY]

What would you do Paul ? Send him to Africa on holiday or put him

On the naughty step ?

[Pedro]

In regard to executing a child history would suggest not.

If the story referred to is the current IS video featuring Siddhartha Dhar it seems he and the child are already in Syria or close by.

If I have the correct story you are stating you support, that is "would not be opposed to," the public flogging of a six year old child?

I'm asking because I would like to be clear. I would also like to understand how when the west rightly expresses horror at IS actions there is any justification for calling for the execution of children or "not being opposed to" flogging children?

These are precisely the actions by IS at which we express the deepest disgust and outrage.

It appears, based on very recent posts, yourself, possibly, and ABBEY, "hang the lot," support equally barbaric action by the west.

An excellent point Paul, again one of the reasons I left Facebook. I was sick of people I know saying (after the Paris attack) saying we need to bomb x,y and z with the naivety that no innocent people die. Also blanket statements like, "Time to send Muslims back where they came from". It's so hypocritical, uneducated and barbaric.

[K-Hod]

Kids of that age and older are very impressionable, ISIS are using them for shock value. They can be saved.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Am i the only person on the internet that never watches these propaganda videos(apart from the little snippets of them that they show on the news) and I've definitely never had any inclination at all to search for and watch the uncut versions of these videos or any torture, beheading, etc.. videos (past or present)

I never look at them because they would make me sick, depressed and angry to my core. However I do make sure I never forget or underplay the fact that they're going on. I do wonder whether many people vehemently opposed to military action against IS manage to make themselves forget exactly what the scum are doing and exactly how evil it is.

[T J Hooker]

Maybe they dont forget, they just see both sides off the coin and see how bullshit and pointless the use of violance is to solve anything.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Maybe they dont forget, they just see both sides off the coin and see how bullshit and pointless the use of violance is to solve anything.

Anything? So say someone attacked your family right in front of you, you using violence in response would be bullshit and pointless would it?

[T J Hooker]

Try to stay on topic please.

But of course id defend my family and self but i wouldnt do it by blowing up the attackers home withbhis family in it and killing halve the people on the street in the process

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Try to stay on topic please.

But of course id defend my family and self but i wouldnt do it by blowing up the attackers home withbhis family in it and killing halve the people on the street in the process

What topic? This thread just meanders anywhere. It meandered to IS' politically and murder videos, I expanded it to fighting IS, you expanded it to violence in general, and then I replied.

Right so you're admitting you would use violence in a certain situation? That's the fundamental principle, everything else is just degrees of measurement. For example the next degree along from you defending your family, would you use violence (or request the police do) to defend your grandparents a couple of streets down if they were being attacked? Would you use violence if a stranger in your local park was being attacked?

"Amnesty International has held ISIL responsible for the ethnic cleansing of ethnic and religious minority groups in northern

Iraq on a "historic scale", putting entire communities "at risk of being wiped off the map of Iraq". In a special report released on 2 September 2014, it describes how ISIL has "systematically targeted non-Arab and non-Sunni Muslim communities, killing or abducting hundreds, possibly thousands, of individuals and forcing more than 830,000 others to flee the areas it has captured since 10 June 2014". Among these people are Assyrian Christians, Turkmen Shia, Shabak Shia, Yazidis, Kaka'i and Sabean Mandeans, who have lived together for centuries in Nineveh province, large parts of which came under ISIL's control."

You've already admitted you'd use violence to defend your family. But you wouldn't use it to defend millions of people somewhere else in the world. That's fine, your prerogative, but its not a fundamentally noble or principled decision, its just a decision. And as such the outrage and contempt you and others throw at the opposing view is just pathetic to be honest.

[K-Hod]

ISIS need dealing with, but I'm sorry, I can't abide murdering a kid because they've been brainwashed. Kids (and some adults) are so impressionable, if people say jump, they'd ask 'how high?'