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[T J Hooker]

Skh

The conversation/topic at the time was war and terrorist related violance not violance in general.

Sorry couldnt be arsed reading past your first sentance, yoyr clearly just looking for an argument with me, bless ya for tryin.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Yeah all right then, you used quite an extreme profanity on a family forum and I'm after an argument. Bless me indeed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

"Refugees welcome"

[Al]

What would you do Paul ? Send him to Africa on holiday or put him

On the naughty step ?

Give him a cup of tea and a chat.

[T J Hooker]

Never know it might help in this case.

P.s.

Sorry about the swear word further up, i assumed it would get fuddled by the filter, hope you weren't to offended skh.

[Tom]

Give him a cup of tea and a chat.

are we talking about the 5 year old here? Surely nobody can have ill feeling or want consequences for him? get him back to his grandparents in England and away from his monster of a mum somehow

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I don't watch the videos. Does that mean I don't know what going on and I'm not angered by it ? Of course not.

[oldjamfan1]

are we talking about the 5 year old here? Surely nobody can have ill feeling or want consequences for him? get him back to his grandparents in England and away from his monster of a mum somehow

Exactly! Jeezo he didn't exactly join up out of choice did he?

[Tom]

Exactly! Jeezo he didn't exactly join up out of choice did he?

I'm not too sure about that, my 4 year old recently joined the dark side and became a stormtrooper but it's ok he then decided he was Spider-Man instead.

[ABBEY]

Skh

The conversation/topic at the time was war and terrorist related violance not violance in general.

Sorry couldnt be arsed reading past your first sentance, yoyr clearly just looking for an argument with me, bless ya for tryin.

are you drunk?

are we talking about the 5 year old here? Surely nobody can have ill feeling or want consequences for him? get him back to his grandparents in England and away from his monster of a mum somehow

how do you get him back? you would really let him go back to be raised by a family related with mass murder?

[T J Hooker]

Buurrrrpp

[Tom]

are you drunk?

how do you get him back? you would really let him go back to be raised by a family related with mass murder?

Her family are a Christian family I don't think they are to blame for her radicalisation personally.

As to how we would get him back I have no idea but for me the child is 100% innocent

[Amo]

Yeah all right then, you used quite an extreme profanity on a family forum and I'm after an argument. Bless me indeed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

"Refugees welcome"

Not surprising.

Look at what happened to Sweden. It opened its floodgates to Muslim immigrants and became the rape capital of the world.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Not surprising.

Look at what happened to Sweden. It opened its floodgates to Muslim immigrants and became the rape capital of the world.

Grimly ironic really considering women have always been the backbone of the liberal vote, demanding the floodgates stay open/are opened even more. Certainly most of the attention-seeking pro-refugee placard holders I've seen on the news in the last year have been female.

[ultrablue]

Not surprising.

Look at what happened to Sweden. It opened its floodgates to Muslim immigrants and became the rape capital of the world.

Any evidence?

[Steve Moss]

Any evidence?

Here's a news article, if that counts. http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/23/sweden-opened-its-doors-to-muslim-immigration-today-its-the-rape-capital-of-the-west-japan-didnt/

There are many other articles you can read via Google.

[ultrablue]

It's interesting - I'm not surprised the partizans jumped on the story.

Just a few things

- the stats are from 1996, 20 years ago.

- the stats they quote relate to Muslims from North Africa - yet Muslims can be found almost everywhere. It seems more specific to a region than a religion.

- the graph below shows a bit more context

The country with the lowest rate on this graph - Indonesia, has the highest Muslim population of any country in the world.

The countries in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th spot in terms of rate of rape per 100,000 have a combined Muslim population of less than 4000 people.

I don't know what is happening in Sweden - clearly they have a problem with that crime and it seems to stem from its North African Muslim immigrants - or at least it did 20 years ago.

But looking at the broader picture, it wouldn't appear to be an Islamic problem. It's a more complex Swedish problem, Jamaican problem etc.

[Steve Moss]

I don't know why people do what they do. I can only go on information provided by others. About Sweden's problem, everyone seems to agree it is Muslim immigrant related.

This conservative article claims that 1 in 4 Swedish women will be raped, that 77% of rapes are committed by Muslims, that in 2003 the rape rate was 9.24 per 100,000 and has since skyrocketed to 53.2 per 100,000. http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-sexual-assaults-daniel-greenfield

This Canadian article claims that the problems with immigration in Europe are being swept under the rug, and implies that Sweden's getting the worse of the worst as it has the most generous welfare system combined with open borders (i.e. the lazy, no good ones). http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/swedens-ugly-immigration-problem/article26338254/

This article claims that violent crime is soaring due to Sweden's immigrant problem, and that the far right is on the rise politically as a result. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317978/Torn-apart-open-door-migrants-Sweden-seen-Europe-s-liberal-nation-violent-crime-soaring-Far-Right-march-reports-SUE-REID.html

This American conservative article claims that all of Western Europe is suffering a rape epidemic as a result of Muslim immigration. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/europes-rape-epidemic-western-women-will-be-sacrificed-at-the-alter-of-mass-migration/

I think a large part of the problem is dependent on where the Muslim immigrant is from. If they are immigrating from a more secular Muslim nation, like Indonesia, then there probably is less of a problem. But if they are from a more "traditional" Muslim nation, that relies on Sharia law, then there is a much bigger problem, such as this report:

"Some 30 Muslim men thought that the woman was in violation of Islamic sharia law, by being in Sweden unaccompanied by a man. They thought that she should therefore be raped and her teenage son killed."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-29/swedens-first-month-islamic-multiculturalism-rapes-acquittals-severed-heads

To clarify, the above article grand stands and implies the boy was killed and the woman gang raped. That's incorrect (when I double check via Google as I couldn't believe it). The above story actually documents an attempted rape and murder (the two managed to lock themselves into a room) but when the police arrived, they only took a report and made no arrests. http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2225/mob-of-30-tried-to-rape-woman-and-kill-her-son-at-asylum-center-in-sweden.html

Another anti-Muslim site attempts to analyze Sweden's rape data and comes to the conclusion that 2% of Muslim immigrant males, primarily from Africa and Iraq, are responsible for 77% of Sweden's rapes. https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/sweden-77-6-percent-of-all-rapes-in-the-country-committed-by-muslim-males-making-up-2-percent-of-population/

Though horrific, if true that's actually good news as authorities might be able begin targeting specific Muslim sub-groups to protect Sweden's native population without having to lash out against all Muslim immigrants. That's one of the many reasons I despise political correctness. If people were free to track behaviors via racial, ethnic, religious, IQ, household dysfunctions, economic status, etc, (inset any other human data point), without being called racist or misogynistic or other names, then a lot of problems might be accurately identified and dealt with, instead of painting with broad (and largely ineffective) strokes. When someone is sick, the doctors target the cancer, not the entire body, for destruction. We should follow the same principles in dealing with socio-economic problems.

But rather than track the data in detail, Sweden's authorities began to delete the ethnic or racial data of the offenders when they began to notice a trend. That's not acknowledging a problem, that's hiding from it. Which means it won't get better. And, possibly, give rise to even worse as the law falls into disrepute and more extreme political groups take power. If moderates won't deal with the problem and protect the public, then the public will (historically) turn to extremists. That's in no one's interest.

[ultrablue]

Though horrific, if true that's actually good news as authorities might be able begin targeting specific Muslim sub-groups to protect Sweden's native population without having to lash out against all Muslim immigrants. That's one of the many reasons I despise political correctness. If people were free to track behaviors via racial, ethnic, religious, IQ, household dysfunctions, economic status, etc, (inset any other human data point), without being called racist or misogynistic or other names, then a lot of problems might be accurately identified and dealt with, instead of painting with broad (and largely ineffective) strokes. When someone is sick, the doctors target the cancer, not the entire body, for destruction. We should follow the same principles in dealing with socio-economic problems.

I'm in complete agreement with this. Specific targeting of small groups based on compelling evidence. Religion or race alone is not substantial evidence.

You are right that political correctness has led to some fear about being labelled racist or bigoted. But political correctness has become the norm due to the problems created by statements like this:

Not surprising.

Look at what happened to Sweden. It opened its floodgates to Muslim immigrants and became the rape capital of the world.

It lacks any of the context, nuance, or evidence that you presented in your post above.

Whatever your thoughts on it, multiculturalism is a fact in a lot of countries and religious freedom is the law of the land. Reality dictates we are more careful about what we say than we were generations ago. Blaming "Muslim Immigrants' for an increase in rapes, without clear context is divisive, damaging and frankly lazy.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

It's interesting - I'm not surprised the partizans jumped on the story.

Just a few things

- the stats are from 1996, 20 years ago.

- the stats they quote relate to Muslims from North Africa - yet Muslims can be found almost everywhere. It seems more specific to a region than a religion.

- the graph below shows a bit more context

The country with the lowest rate on this graph - Indonesia, has the highest Muslim population of any country in the world.

The countries in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th spot in terms of rate of rape per 100,000 have a combined Muslim population of less than 4000 people.

I don't know what is happening in Sweden - clearly they have a problem with that crime and it seems to stem from its North African Muslim immigrants - or at least it did 20 years ago.

But looking at the broader picture, it wouldn't appear to be an Islamic problem. It's a more complex Swedish problem, Jamaican problem etc.

The partizans jumped on the story? You mean one person posted a link to it, one person replied to that link and everyone else who usually comments in this topic did a good impression of pretending nothing's happened?

I'm not surprised you as a partizan of the left jumped on the opportunity to dismiss any connection to Islam and the widespread lack of respect amongst its followers for western women. That's the blatantly obvious reason why the rape rate in Indonesia is far lower than Sweden. The people doing this target western, non-Muslim women. I can only assume you're being deliberately obtuse in not mentioning that.

Your cop out seems to be that its a North Africa problem, well factor in the news article on Cologne and its a North African and Arabic problem, factor in the grooming scandal in England and its a North African, Arabic, Pakistani and Indian problem. Where else in the world have Muslims emigrated on mass to Western Europe from? Just admit it, its a Muslim problem.

Insisting on semantics and refusing to speak out simply allows the religion of Islam to continue ignoring there is a problem, which means it will never get solved.

[ABBEY]

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[Amo]

White girls are fair game to these people. In their minds, if these women don't have the shame to cover themselves from head to toe, they're asking to be assaulted.

[Steve Moss]

I'm not surprised you as a partizan of the left jumped on the opportunity to dismiss any connection to Islam and the widespread lack of respect amongst its followers for western women. That's the blatantly obvious reason why the rape rate in Indonesia is far lower than Sweden. The people doing this target western, non-Muslim women. I can only assume you're being deliberately obtuse in not mentioning that.

The ensalvement and rape of young women appears to be an ISIL tactic.

An escapee provides her story. http://www.newsweek.com/yazidi-woman-recalls-isil-insurgents-rape-slavery-381090

Her tormentor was allegedly an American Muslim. If true, this further show this is a problem throughout the Muslim world, not just the Middle East and Europe.

ISIL's mass graves for women to old to be used as sex slaves. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/12000148/Islamic-State-sex-slaves-Sinjar-mass-graves-show-what-were-fighting.html

ISIL's rules to take a sex slave. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12073762/Isil-issues-rules-for-sex-slavery-in-the-caliphate.html

SKH may have a point when he claims that the problem is Muslim males coming into contact with non-Muslim women. ISIL documents it from a power position. Those who fled may have lacked ISIL's propensity for armed conflict, but may still possess their attitudes toward non-Muslim women.

It needs to be looked into and dealt with.

And to be fair, western Muslim clerics have spoken out against this, which makes me think there is a geographic component to this anti-woman attitude.

[adopted scouser]

White girls are fair game to these people. In their minds, if these women don't have the shame to cover themselves from head to toe, they're asking to be assaulted.

That's because they are backward, living in accordance with other backward teachings scribbled by a man in a backward book.

Thought I'd bumped into Darth Vader in Asda on saturday, stupid people.

There is a glimmer of hope with the younger Asian girls, the big handbag over the arm, bloody big smartphones and designer gear.

[Steve Moss]

That's because they are backward, living in accordance with other backward teachings scribbled by a man in a backward book.

Thought I'd bumped into Darth Vader in Asda on saturday, stupid people.

There is a glimmer of hope with the younger Asian girls, the big handbag over the arm, bloody big smartphones and designer gear.

I read an article once that opined Sharia Islam's Achilles heel was women. As they become educated and empowered they're less likely to settle for a quasi savage husband who's still living in the dark ages. Over the term of generations, as they influence their sons and daughters, that means Muslims will become more Westernized (other than a few crazed holdouts, like our Westboro Church problem).

Which is one reason that radical Muslims, like Boko Haram, target girls' schools for kidnapping, slavery and institutionalized rapes and isolation. They aren't idiots and realize that those girls, and those who follow after them, will steadily become more modern and less Sharia in outlook as an aggregate matter. They spell the doom of extreme Islamic sects.

[adopted scouser]

And before you denounce, tell me exactly what is incorrect.