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[jim mk2]

On another note, good to see the best US president in living memory willing to admit that America has a problem with guns and actually making the (admittedly small) first steps towards tackling it.

[Audax]

UK has sold $8bn of arms to Saudi Arabia in five years:

Campaign Against Arms Trade says kingdom is one of 24 'countries of humanitarian concern' to which UK has sold weapons since 2010

The UK has sold £5.6bn ($8.2bn) of arms to Saudi Arabia since David Cameron became Prime Minister, despite widespread human right concerns, a new report has shown.

Cameron's governments have since May 2010 overseen the sale of Hawk fighter jets and bulk sales of machine guns, bombs and tear gas, according to research released on Wednesday by the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT) .

The report says that the UK has sold arms to 24 of the 27 states that it considers to be “countries of humanitarian concern”.

- See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-has-sold-8bn-worth-arms-saudi-arabia-may-2015-report-2100947880#sthash.Brk0Mrs8.dpuf

Arms trading, 24 of 27 states with "humanitarian concerns".

For that matter, such could include, Nigeria, Kenya and so on.

[ABBEY]

https://youtu.be/08ZPbUBmb30

And before you denounce, tell me exactly what is incorrect.

Wonder if any lived with geldof or any of the all talk do gooders who take none in .

[T J Hooker]

And you've done what?

[ABBEY]

absolutly nothing...I HAVE NOT GOBBED OFF ABOUT TAKING REFUGEES OR ASLYUM SEEKERS IN .

AND I HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING SO.

what has it actually got to do with you though what i do or do not do. You are actually worse than piles because at least the doc gives you cream for them.

And you've done what?

[T J Hooker]

Hehe, then by your own standards what's it got to do what anybody else does or doesn't do?

[K-Hod]

Abbey/TJ- can you both cease the bickering please. Now prevalent in two threads.

There was me thinking you'd both been getting on well recently...

[T J Hooker]

Sorry, i was just feeling nostalgic and couldn't resist.

[ultrablue]

This idea that if you want to help and protect asylum seekers you should be willing to host them in your home is frankly bizarre.

I think we should help to conserve the endangered giant panda. Does that mean I should start planting a bamboo forest in my back garden?

(Just so happens there is one already, but that's not the point.)

[Baz]

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/junior-doctors-whitehall-officials-edited-letter-from-independent-medic-to-build-hard-edged-case-a6801501.html

So the 'independent' head of NHS England is having his press releases vetted, changed and timed for release by the Health Secretary....

The health secretary wanted them 'hardened' to try and turn public opinion away from backing the junior doctors strikes.

Time for 2 resignations.

[Steve Moss]

This idea that if you want to help and protect asylum seekers you should be willing to host them in your home is frankly bizarre.

I think we should help to conserve the endangered giant panda. Does that mean I should start planting a bamboo forest in my back garden?

(Just so happens there is one already, but that's not the point.)

I think the idea is that it's great to be big hearted and say bring them in, but when they are here, which neighborhoods are they placed?

I think 90%+ are good people. Around 2% are trouble and 8% passively support the 2%. So how do we shift through them to get to the 90% who would be good citizens and employees?

[Audax]

Finnish govt condemns 'extremist' anti-migrant street patrols

Helsinki (AFP) - Volunteer street patrols linked to neo-Nazi groups have emerged in several Finnish towns in recent months claiming to protect locals from what they call "Islamic intruders", a trend the Finnish government condemned on Thursday.

"There are extremist features to carrying out street patrols. It does not increase security," Finnish Interior Minister Petteri Orpo said in an interview with national broadcaster YLE.

"Volunteers have no right to use force," he added.

Unarmed groups of men, most identifying themselves as "Soldiers of Odin" in reference to an ancient Germanic and Scandinavian god, have been seen patrolling in at least five different towns where reception centres for newly-arrived asylum seekers have recently opened.

http://news.yahoo.com/finnish-govt-condemns-extremist-anti-migrant-street-patrols-213230984.html

[ABBEY]

This idea that if you want to help and protect asylum seekers you should be willing to host them in your home is frankly bizarre.

I think we should help to conserve the endangered giant panda. Does that mean I should start planting a bamboo forest in my back garden?

(Just so happens there is one already, but that's not the point.)

Nice word twisting yet again from you...

I was referring to geldof saying he was putting up this mob at his gaffe. He hasn't . So I take it you wouldn't follow geldof's lies then .

[Audax]

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-35252469

Mosques oppose madrassa registration

An organisation of mosques says it "unequivocally" rejects government proposals to require madrassas in England to be registered and inspected.

The Northern Council of Mosques, representing 400 mosques, says this "encroaches" on religious freedom.

The Muslim supplementary schools would have to comply with plans for tighter scrutiny over "out-of-school education settings" if the plans were introduced.

The government's consultation on the proposals closes on Monday.

And the Department for Education has indicated that it makes "no apology" for wanting to ensure children are properly protected.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-35252469

Mosques oppose madrassa registration

An organisation of mosques says it "unequivocally" rejects government proposals to require madrassas in England to be registered and inspected.

The Northern Council of Mosques, representing 400 mosques, says this "encroaches" on religious freedom.

The Muslim supplementary schools would have to comply with plans for tighter scrutiny over "out-of-school education settings" if the plans were introduced.

The government's consultation on the proposals closes on Monday.

And the Department for Education has indicated that it makes "no apology" for wanting to ensure children are properly protected.

Get them inspected. This is just one of an infinite number of battles to come as hardline religion attempts to drag this country away from secularism and back to the dark ages.

[K-Hod]

Even as someone that's admittedly pretty liberal, I see no good reason they shouldn't be inspected. Religious freedom isn't applicable in this instance for me. Living by the laws of the country you reside in is far more relevant imo.

[ultrablue]

I apologise the story now says Europe . Doesn't change the question tho .. Have any of this board or Geldof taken any in or are the dogooders all mouth .

I have not and wouldn't .

Not sure how Im twisting your words Abbey. Unless the board's 'do-gooders' take in migrants, they are all mouth. Is that not what you meant?

[ABBEY]

If the "all talk ..no action.. Holier than thou " cap fits wear it

[ultrablue]

So that was what you meant. As I say- bizarre.

[Audax]

Speaking of Korea, I see they, meaning the North, have been in the headlines again. Probably nothing again.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Good to see China starting to distance themselves on that one. If North Korea totally loses Chinese support for its antics then I suspect losing its backbone will quickly follow. The one good thing to come out of the abomination that is IS is that it seems to have warmed relations behind China/Russia and the west. Nothing like a common enemy to bring people together, classic human nature.

[Amo]

Germany was the dumping ground for Europe's collective guilt after WW2. They don't have the balls to tackle this situation head-on because of its fascist past.

[BiggusLaddus]

The more this is reported the worse it gets.

Germany are now admitting that asylum seekers were involved, after initially trying to say they were not.

A very eloquent female syrian refugee who was there in cologne was interviewed on radio 4 today. She said that there were hundreds and hundreds of drunk aggressive men trying to grope and steal. She also said that she recognised accents from Aleppo, Iraq and kurds as well as others she thought were north african.

She speculated that their behaviour may be because they assume European women would be "cool with it".

The assistant chief of police from Helsinki was also on that programme. He said that the police were given tip offs by the asylum reception centres that large numbers were PLANNING on travelling into the city on NYE for the same reason. They increased police numbers to put them off.

I emphasise planning because it was made clear that this was not the spontaneous action of a group of bored, drunk young men.

[ABBEY]

And how we were mocked for saying this would happen ..

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

I emphasise planning because it was made clear that this was not the spontaneous action of a group of bored, drunk young men.

That's the most sinister, disturbing and morally hideously ugly thing about it. Thousands of men in multiple cities across Germany putting together a carefully coordinated plan to attack women of a certain ethnicity/culture.

Echoes of the behaviour of IS?

There's a lot of people out there right now who should be feeling very foolish, and probably quite guilty. Left-wing media like the BBC more than anyone for insisting on the term refugees over migrants from the start of this debacle. Refugees do not attack their saviours en masse, are not comprised of 90% adult men, and do not travel through numerous safe countries before deciding to stop. I mean flipping heck, the facts have been there from the start that a large majority are not from Syria.

Thank god the Tories were in and not Labour is all I can say. You can absolutely guarantee that what happened in Germany would have happened here otherwise.