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[perthblue02]

Oh dear, Merkel's big multi cultural sex party idea not going down to well, more PC cover ups

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/634815/Cologne-attacks-fury-migrant-sex-cover-up-refugee-event-groping-Germany

and the inevitable rise of the far right

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/633894/Germany-Sex-assaults-Vigilante-Leipzig-Cologne-Angela-Merkel

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Must say its been rather obvious to me this week how much public sector workers just focus on looking after their own.

For weeks I've been bombarded on Facebook by my teacher, nurse, council mates posting various images/articles/pleas to support junior doctors in their pay dispute. Then 1,100 people lose their jobs at a steel company and not a whisper about it from any of them.

This is one of the main reasons I don't vote for Labour. Labour look after the public sector and the public sector vote for Labour. It seems to me as though Labour aren't too bothered about saving jobs or improving pay/pensions etc in low paying private sector jobs. And the public sector certainly don't give 2 hoops about that, they're too busy trying to convince people how hard they have it.

[jim mk2]

Must say its been rather obvious to me this week how much public sector workers just focus on looking after their own.

For weeks I've been bombarded on Facebook by my teacher, nurse, council mates posting various images/articles/pleas to support junior doctors in their pay dispute. Then 1,100 people lose their jobs at a steel company and not a whisper about it from any of them.

This is one of the main reasons I don't vote for Labour. Labour look after the public sector and the public sector vote for Labour. It seems to me as though Labour aren't too bothered about saving jobs or improving pay/pensions etc in low paying private sector jobs. And the public sector certainly don't give 2 hoops about that, they're too busy trying to convince people how hard they have it.

Maybe if there was steel plant in this area you would have received messages about that too but the doctors' dispute affects everyone.

Labour introduced the mimimum wage in 1998, one of the first steps to improve the working conditions of all workers in both public and private sectors and was vehemently opposed by the Tory opposition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

[47er]

Must say its been rather obvious to me this week how much public sector workers just focus on looking after their own.

For weeks I've been bombarded on Facebook by my teacher, nurse, council mates posting various images/articles/pleas to support junior doctors in their pay dispute. Then 1,100 people lose their jobs at a steel company and not a whisper about it from any of them.

This is one of the main reasons I don't vote for Labour. Labour look after the public sector and the public sector vote for Labour. It seems to me as though Labour aren't too bothered about saving jobs or improving pay/pensions etc in low paying private sector jobs. And the public sector certainly don't give 2 hoops about that, they're too busy trying to convince people how hard they have it.

I'd have thought the Tories don't care about any jobs anywhere so if you are concerned about jobs why disenfranchise yourself?

Once everybody in the north is competing for zero hours contracts with Poundland it'll be "Mission Accomplished " for the Tories.

[jim mk2]

Thatcher started punishing the north in the 1980s for not voting Tory since when all Tory economic policy and investment has been focused on the south and the City of London in particular. The "Northern Powerhouse" is mere window dressing and a cynical election ploy used last May to con simple minded northern folk into voting Tory. It also an idea that Osborne pinched from Labour anyway (nothing new there).

Northern Conservative voters are the turkeys that voted for Christmas.

[yoda]

Can some one tell me where the south ends and the north begins ?

[K-Hod]

Can some one tell me where the south ends and the north begins ?

Northampton? Genuinely though, I think somewhere north of Birmingham.

[onlyonetugay]

Hello Guys and Girls, I'm a fairly irregular poster on the site but wanted to have my say in " Extra Extra Read All About It". This morning I've been reading the Lancashire Telegraph front page headline " Say Sorry " It's about the Accrington schoolboy who wrote in answer to a set of questions that he lived in a "terrorist" house, he meant terraced ! The paper reports that as a result the school reported this to the police and the family were visited by a neighbourhood police officer and a social worker. According to his father Mohammed , the child is now being bullied at school, is worried he won't get into high school, can't sleep ( along with the rest of his family) and now has flu and is in bed. His father is demanding a written apology from the school and an announcement at a school assembly.He doesn't want it to happen to another Muslim family.

Uncle Tom Cobley and all, including the Chairman of Lancashire Council of Mosques , Graham Jones MP and Simon Jones from the teacher's union are expressing concern about the over reaction . The BBC has also reported the story in a similar way..

However if you read further , the child also answers another question by saying " I hate it when my uncle beats me " but the paper or the BBC fail to give any real weight to this part of the story.

I'm not the biggest fan of our public sector colleagues (I think the doctors have behaved disgracefully) but in situations like this they just can't win , they're damned if they do and damned if they don't

[K-Hod]

I think that was all handled pretty badly to be honest. I think the teacher could have had a word with the child and clarified what they meant regarding 'a terrorist house', and it could have been nipped in the bud. Though on the other hand, the teacher had to raise it really, if they felt there was a possiblity of terrorism, so as you say, they are 'damned if they do and damned if they don't '.

Though the part about 'my uncle beats me' was the part that needed investigation. All in all, it makes headlines and further fuels the ongoing tensions!

[Jimmy612]

The police had info which they acted upon..... muslim family demands an apology.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12109399/Father-of-Muslim-boy-10-questioned-by-police-for-saying-he-lived-in-terrorist-house-brands-it-a-joke.html

Police had info that they didn't act upon.... muslim families demands an apology.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/...ce-apology


The police appear to be in a lose lose situation.

[T J Hooker]

Of course the boys family want a full public apology and for the school and authorities to admit full responsibility for the mistake, that way it will be a breaze for the famly when they make a claim for compensation.

[Jimmy612]

"where there's a blame there's a claim" tactics? Surely not.

[T J Hooker]

For me its the 'my uncle beats me' comment that should be getting all the attention.

[K-Hod]

It's all headline grabbing rubbish to be honest that will blow over before long and be chip paper before we know it!

There should no chance of any cause for compensation! The Police can't be too careful these days and whilst ideally it would have been best dealt with by having a word with the child to clarify what they meant, the teacher has a duty of care to their pupils so they could easily say (and quite rightly) that it was safety first.

[onlyonetugay]

I think that was all handled pretty badly to be honest. I think the teacher could have had a word with the child and clarified what they meant regarding 'a terrorist house', and it could have been nipped in the bud. Though on the other hand, the teacher had to raise it really, if they felt there was a possiblity of terrorism, so as you say, they are 'damned if they do and damned if they don't '.

Though the part about 'my uncle beats me' was the part that needed investigation. All in all, it makes headlines and further fuels the ongoing tensions!

Yes I agree that " my uncle beats me" needed investigating and I assume that's one of the reasons the social worker was involved. It's that bit that riles me.It just seems to have been swept under the carpet by both the media and the family ( other than the father saying the uncle doesn't beat his son !!) By concentrating on the " I live in a terrorist house" answer, the family are now victims of what I'm sure they'll call Islamophobia

If my child had written " my uncle beats me" I'd welcome a visit from the social worker and the police to get to the bottom of it

[Steve Moss]

Here's a very good article:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/ian-odoherty-the-lessons-europe-is-learning-way-too-late-34365639.html

[K-Hod]

Here's a very good article:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/ian-odoherty-the-lessons-europe-is-learning-way-too-late-34365639.html

Some pretty dramatic comments in there, and the textbook blaming of the left and right though!

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Some pretty dramatic comments in there, and the textbook blaming of the left and right though!

Thought it was absolutely spot on myself. If he's anything like me, the dramatic comments are fuelled by anger. Anger at the hypocrisy (feminists reaction to Blurred Lines in comparison to mass sexual assaults comparison was perfect in illustrating this), naivety and disgraceful cover-up that occurred surrounding the issue. The last of those 3 being the most dangerous facet of the lot.

And anger at the underlying motive behind it. The virtue signalling fashion, make sure people know how nice you are simply by relegating the importance of everything else below the desire to not appear in any way racist.

Ignore the victims, demonise those who consider the situation unacceptable by labelling them right wing, continue to make the same mistakes, embark down the road of advising women where they shouldn't go/what they shouldn't do/what they shouldn't wear, create a huge male-female imbalance that will inevitable lead to huge social problems in Germany.

[K-Hod]

Thought it was absolutely spot on myself. If he's anything like me, the dramatic comments are fuelled by anger. Anger at the hypocrisy (feminists reaction to Blurred Lines in comparison to mass sexual assaults comparison was perfect in illustrating this), naivety and disgraceful cover-up that occurred surrounding the issue. The last of those 3 being the most dangerous facet of the lot.

And anger at the underlying motive behind it. The virtue signalling fashion, make sure people know how nice you are simply by relegating the importance of everything else below the desire to not appear in any way racist.

Ignore the victims, demonise those who consider the situation unacceptable by labelling them right wing, continue to make the same mistakes, embark down the road of advising women where they shouldn't go/what they shouldn't do/what they shouldn't wear, create a huge male-female imbalance that will inevitable lead to huge social problems in Germany.

Not disputing for a minute that what's happened, including the ensuing cover up was completely wrong, but I'm finding this whole blaming (and I've felt like this for a while btw) of the right wing and left wing is embarrassing and gets us nowhere. That's just my take on the matter in any case.

Re the bit in bold, that's exactly what's happening the other way now.

[onlyonetugay]

Thought it was absolutely spot on myself. If he's anything like me, the dramatic comments are fuelled by anger. Anger at the hypocrisy (feminists reaction to Blurred Lines in comparison to mass sexual assaults comparison was perfect in illustrating this), naivety and disgraceful cover-up that occurred surrounding the issue. The last of those 3 being the most dangerous facet of the lot.

And anger at the underlying motive behind it. The virtue signalling fashion, make sure people know how nice you are simply by relegating the importance of everything else below the desire to not appear in any way racist.

Ignore the victims, demonise those who consider the situation unacceptable by labelling them right wing, continue to make the same mistakes, embark down the road of advising women where they shouldn't go/what they shouldn't do/what they shouldn't wear, create a huge male-female imbalance that will inevitable lead to huge social problems in Germany.

This is spot on. At the same time it isn't racist to be concerned at the creeping Islamification of Europe. I watched " The Jihadi Next Door " on Channel 4 earlier in the week and the biggest tool in a box full of tools was a white convert.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

This is spot on. At the same time it isn't racist to be concerned at the creeping Islamification of Europe. I watched " The Jihadi Next Door " on Channel 4 earlier in the week and the biggest tool in a box full of tools was a white convert.

Ever seen the film "Four Lions"? That's exactly the case in that, the white guy is a complete piece of work. Think its a commentary on how in any cause its the late converts that are often the most extreme.

[Steve Moss]

This is spot on. At the same time it isn't racist to be concerned at the creeping Islamification of Europe. I watched " The Jihadi Next Door " on Channel 4 earlier in the week and the biggest tool in a box full of tools was a white convert.

This was a good video on why there is discontent with immigration and the Islamification of Europe. I know the BBC intended it as a parody, but I think it unintentionally hit on the problem.

"I am an Englishman"

[Mike E]

Daft as it is, teachers are on the verge of being legally obliged to report any and every 'potential radicalisation' incident in school. It's already being put into policies at school just so that teachers' and schools' backs are covered.

Far too OTT for my liking but yet another bit of stress for teachers to take on.

[Jimmy612]

We have a 'like this' facility but why do we not have a 'dislike this' button?

[Pedro]

Thatcher started punishing the north in the 1980s for not voting Tory since when all Tory economic policy and investment has been focused on the south and the City of London in particular. The "Northern Powerhouse" is mere window dressing and a cynical election ploy used last May to con simple minded northern folk into voting Tory. It also an idea that Osborne pinched from Labour anyway (nothing new there).

Northern Conservative voters are the turkeys that voted for Christmas.

I'd say the simple minded folk voted UKIP, which prevented them from voting for the tories only real challenger Labour. I personally think that UKIP is a ploy party to strengthen the overall hold the tories have.