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[onlyonetugay]

Reading the report , the whole event appeared to be attended by pond life, although I think that's an insult to pond life. Don't newts live in ponds? These sorts, be they far left activists ( it appears that on this occasion they were intent on disrupting the protest by violent means) anarchists, the "no borders" crew and fascists come out of the same cesspit .

However I'm afraid that these groups flourish when politicians lose the plot and ignore mainstream voters

[onlyonetugay]

I've just read that Dianne Abbott gave a speech to one of these groups prior to the violence. People might laugh about Corbyn and his cronies , but they worry me at times.

[adopted scouser]

I've just read that Dianne Abbott gave a speech to one of these groups prior to the violence. People might laugh about Corbyn and his cronies , but they worry me at times.

Nope, keep laughing, and when you look at Diane Abbott try not to throw up

[Audax]

British helicopter pilot and animal rights activist was shot down in Tanzania, watching for poachers of elephants. His helicopter was shot down by the poachers. Very sad, rest in peace. He died for a good cause.

http://qz.com/606942/a-british-helicopter-pilot-was-shot-down-and-killed-by-elephant-poachers-in-tanzania/

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

No surprise to see the left-wing counter-protest be considerably more violent than the actual protest. Happens everywhere there is a fascist march these days. In Blackburn it was the UAF mob who were trying to break through police lines to get to the EDF.

Both groups are appalling but strictly in terms of behaviour its pretty clear which is worse. UAF must be the most ironically named political group in Britain.

[jim mk2]

In the US, the right wing is more likely to gun you down with one of their favoured methods of violence.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/right-wing-extremism-explainer-charleston-mass-shooting-terrorism

In Britain, according to the Daily Hate Mail far right groups would be more popular with voters - if only they weren't so violent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361068/Half-Britain-vote-far-Right-parties-gave-violence.html

So depends how you look at, left wing groups attack the fascist right wing (itself a violent mob left to is own devices) with fists and punches, or the violent right takes matters into its own hands and slaughters innocent people.

In essence, trying to claim one group is somehow better than the other (as some people appear to be) because it is more or less violent than the other is pointless - and rather silly.

[onlyonetugay]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3428345/Joey-Barton-s-killer-brother-year-wiped-murder-sentence.html

Our justice system is in total disrepute , this piece of evil should never be freed . He was involved in a murder where an axe was put through the boy's head for heaven's sake !

[Steve Moss]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3428345/Joey-Barton-s-killer-brother-year-wiped-murder-sentence.html

Our justice system is in total disrepute , this piece of evil should never be freed . He was involved in a murder where an axe was put through the boy's head for heaven's sake !

In Arizona, we would have executed him. Which would have been far closer to justice than what's occurred here.

[onlyonetugay]

In Arizona, we would have executed him. Which would have been far closer to justice than what's occurred here.

We don't do that over here Steve. It's all about rehabilitation and the human rights of the murderer , rather than those of the victim's family.

[Hanks]

In Arizona, we would have executed him. Which would have been far closer to justice than what's occurred here.

That would not appear to be what happened in this case :- http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/06/us/in-many-capital-cases-less-culpable-defendants-receive-death-penalty.html?_r=0

[Steve Moss]

We don't do that over here Steve. It's all about rehabilitation and the human rights of the murderer , rather than those of the victim's family.

Which is why I think some countries have lost the plot. In my opinion, the victim's family should decide whether the murdering criminal is executed or is a candidate for rehabilitation. Good old fashioned Anglo-Saxon justice, not the vampiric creature that's replaced it.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

The judge's statement said it all. Everything was about Barton's progress, plans and maturing. Basically the ONLY thing that seems to matter these days is whether society is in mortal danger by having them back on the streets. Apparently as soon as the estimation becomes "probably not", it's back out.

No thoughts for the one party the judges should be thinking about more than anything in making all their decisions, the victim. These days scum take someone's life and lose a small/tiny fraction of their own, where on earth is the justice? It's so fundamentally wrong, to the point where I'm not sure how some judges can look at themselves in the mirror.

[jim mk2]

Which is why I think some countries have lost the plot. In my opinion, the victim's family should decide whether the murdering criminal is executed or is a candidate for rehabilitation. Good old fashioned Anglo-Saxon justice, not the vampiric creature that's replaced it.

Civilised countries don't execute people - you know that. Look at the list of countries that still have capital punishment (I've provided it many times) - it's astonishing really that in 2016 the US is still happy to be bracketed with regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

[BiggusLaddus]

Good old fashioned Anglo-Saxon justice, not the vampiric creature that's replaced it.

Anglo-saxon justice revolved around the wergild, the man price. The lives of all people had a monetary value (rising with rank) which would be paid to the relatives of a murdered freeman or owner of a murdered slave.

In this case I don't imagine Joey Barton would have much difficulty in paying the Wergild of a young inner city black lad on his brother's behalf.

So in this case "good old fashioned anglo-saxon justice" would probably not have lead to any punishment at all.

[Steve Moss]

Civilised countries don't execute people - you know that. Look at the list of countries that still have capital punishment (I've provided it many times) - it's astonishing really that in 2016 the US is still happy to be bracketed with regimes like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

No, Jim, I don't "know that". I think what is happening in the UK and Europe is a perversion of justice. The murderer is not more important than the victim and the victim and his or her family have a right to take everything from the murderer, including his life, as the murderer took everything from the victim.

What goes on now is insane.

Anglo-saxon justice revolved around the wergild, the man price. The lives of all people had a monetary value (rising with rank) which would be paid to the relatives of a murdered freeman or owner of a murdered slave.

In this case I don't imagine Joey Barton would have much difficulty in paying the Wergild of a young inner city black lad on his brother's behalf.

So in this case "good old fashioned anglo-saxon justice" would probably not have lead to any punishment at all.

And if the weregild was refused, the victim's family was free to seek the murderer's head. If they were able to take it.

Obviously, if the criminal were powerful, like a nobleman or a king's son, it would be insane to refuse the weregild as they probably had more swords than most victims. And sometimes accepting the payment was a good thing, as was very large within context of the times and it kept the peace (as there was no police to keep things from deteriorating into a feud).

But the victim's family decided, not the murderer or whomever offered the blood money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud

[K-Hod]

It varies state to state in the US doesn't it Steve? (Capital punishment). Just googled, 31/50 states use it apparently.

I'm a bit torn with it to be honest, in principle I see why people are in favour, but I just hate the idea of someone being executed then it being found out later they were innocent for example.

[jim mk2]

No, Jim, I don't "know that". I think what is happening in the UK and Europe is a perversion of justice. The murderer is not more important than the victim and the victim and his or her family have a right to take everything from the murderer, including his life, as the murderer took everything from the victim.

What goes on now is insane.

Who said the murderer is "more important"? This is the 21st century, not 1850 or even 1950, state execution is not acceptable, as some your more enlightened States have realised. In a modern world, your post is insane.

[Steve Moss]

It varies state to state in the US doesn't it Steve? (Capital punishment). Just googled, 31/50 states use it apparently.

I'm a bit torn with it to be honest, in principle I why people are in favour, but I just hate the idea of someone being executed then it being found out later they were innocent for example.

I agree that this is a concern. I know from direct experience in dealing with these cases that some are wrongfully convicted.

That is more an issue of process (how one goes about obtaining the death penalty and the standards employed) and not so much whether it is warranted as a matter of theory of if someone commits a heinous murder.

Who said the murderer is "more important"? This is the 21st century, not 1850 or even 1950, state execution is not acceptable, as some your more enlightened States have realised. In a modern world, your post is insane.

Really? A 20 year old commits a murder, taking a young life forever, but is a free man by the time he's 30. That indisputable math equation shows that the murderer received more protection from the state than the state provided the victim. So yes, the murderer is deemed more important that the victim, so far as the state's processes are concerned.

[jim mk2]

Really? A 20 year old commits a murder, taking a young life forever, but is a free man by the time he's 30. That indisputable math equation shows that the murderer received more protection from the state than the state provided the victim. So yes, the murderer is deemed more important that the victim, so far as the state's processes are concerned.

He should be locked away for life.

[Steve Moss]

He should be locked away for life.

Agreed.

[adopted scouser]

He should be locked away for life.

But they seldom are, that's the rub.

[Guest]

I worry about our future generation, and I'm not exactly a codger yet! What goes through some people's heads?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Is anyone in this town insured to drive? Makes the blood boil thinking those of us that are are paying a small fortune to compensate for those that don't and then drive like reckless idiots.

Mind you I suppose its not as bad as taking your kids to join ISIS.

[Baz]

Is anyone in this town insured to drive? Makes the blood boil thinking those of us that are are paying a small fortune to compensate for those that don't and then drive like reckless idiots.

Mind you I suppose its not as bad as taking your kids to join ISIS.

Sounds in this case like he had insurance for his own car, but not for the borrowed one.

Bet none of his mates or family lend him a car again, given how he looked after it.

Agree with you in principle though, theres always bits in the paper about banned drivers with no insurance being caught, and banned again with a £100 fine. The logic in the punishment is baffling.

[Steve Moss]

I'm beginning to think the Koran does not layout a religion of peace (at least as we understand it):

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/02/08/good-news-female-muslim-prof-says-muslims-can-rape-rob-infidel-women-only-in-some-circumstances/