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[K-Hod]

You always get some goons purporting to belong to something twisting things.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Why are terrorist/terrorist sympathisers always hideously ugly?

[T J Hooker]

Do you prefer your terrorists to be pretty?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Do you prefer your terrorists to be pretty?

Why would I prefer that? Was just making an observation. Seemed vaguely ironic in this case that this thing that looks like it belongs in a Star Wars film sat next to Jabba the Hutt is saying its ok to rape people when nobody in their right mind would touch her with a 10 foot barge pole.

[K-Hod]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438260/David-Cameron-s-mother-signs-petition-against-spending-cuts.html

[yoda]

Excellent idea from Poland

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/syrian-refugees-should-be-trained-into-an-army-to-fight-isis-polands-foreign-minister-says-a6736776.html

[onlyonetugay]

http://www.dailymail...nding-cuts.html

K - Hod , it's nice to know that the prime minister's aunt and mother have minds of there own. However there is only a limited amount of taxpayers money , it can't cover everything. The paper you're reading also covers this story which is far more concerning than a couple of old folks signing a petition

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438040/Top-cancer-doctor-warns-health-tourist-migrants-bleeding-hospitals-dry-demand-treatment-leaving-NHS-breaking-point.html

I'm not sure if the good doctor is a member of the BMA , but I'm sure the extreme left wing in that Trade Union won't be pleased with this bit of honesty. Pointless the Government sinking more of our hard earned tax into the NHS if it's being used as an International Health Service.

[K-Hod]

http://www.dailymail...nding-cuts.html

K - Hod , It's nice to know that the prime minister's aunt and mother have minds of there own. However there is only a limited amount of taxpayers money , it can't cover everything. The paper you're reading also covers this story which is far more concerning than a couple of old folks signing a petition

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438040/Top-cancer-doctor-warns-health-tourist-migrants-bleeding-hospitals-dry-demand-treatment-leaving-NHS-breaking-point.html

I'm not sure if the good doctor is a member of the BMA , but I'm sure the extreme left wing in that Trade Union won't be pleased with this bit of honesty. Pointless the Government sinking more of our hard earned tax into the NHS if it's being used as an International HealthService.

I was only trying to have a joke and make this thread a little more light hearted than it usually is! I couldn't care less what they think really, I just found it funny.

Re the NHS, it certainly needs to be managed a lot better and more effectively, but I wouldn't want to be without it and have to fork out for private healthcare, I'm not really in a position to do that right now....

[onlyonetugay]

I was only trying to have a joke and make this thread a little more light hearted than it usually is! I couldn't care less what they think really, I just found it funny.

I thought I'd get my two penny worth in before the Corbynistas do . It's manna from heaven for them !

[K-Hod]

I thought I'd get my two penny worth in before the Corbynistas do . It's manna from heaven for them !

Corbynista? Cheeky swine, I'm nowt of the sort!

[onlyonetugay]

I was only trying to have a joke and make this thread a little more light hearted than it usually is! I couldn't care less what they think really, I just found it funny.

Re the NHS, it certainly needs to be managed a lot better and more effectively, but I wouldn't want to be without it and have to fork out for private healthcare, I'm not really in a position to do that right now....

I agree as long as it stays the NHS , with the accent on National !

Corbynista? Cheeky swine, I'm nowt of the sort!

Me think he doth protest too much ! I know you're not - your Dad described you as a conservative Liberal., so you once said .

[Baz]

http://www.dailymail...nding-cuts.html

K - Hod , it's nice to know that the prime minister's aunt and mother have minds of there own. However there is only a limited amount of taxpayers money , it can't cover everything. The paper you're reading also covers this story which is far more concerning than a couple of old folks signing a petition

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438040/Top-cancer-doctor-warns-health-tourist-migrants-bleeding-hospitals-dry-demand-treatment-leaving-NHS-breaking-point.html

I'm not sure if the good doctor is a member of the BMA , but I'm sure the extreme left wing in that Trade Union won't be pleased with this bit of honesty. Pointless the Government sinking more of our hard earned tax into the NHS if it's being used as an International Health Service.

A doctor who has been invited to speak at the Brexit conference by Farage? How very neutral.

As for his mother and aunt, thats frankly embarrassing for Cameron. Shame they are only fighting for local Oxfordshire child resources though, maybe they should join Labour and tackle these cuts to vital services across the country?

[Paul]

Excellent idea from Poland

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/syrian-refugees-should-be-trained-into-an-army-to-fight-isis-polands-foreign-minister-says-a6736776.html

While I'm not sure about forming an army I'm beginning to think the principle of refugees having to work on arrival is becoming essential.

My in laws were both immigrants. The MIL chose to come here to work in textile mills as Britain offered post war jobs to boost our economy. The FIL was a refugee unable to return home after being forced labour for the Nazis. He was obliged to work, wherever directed, for at least two years.

We have huge needs to improve many aspects of our infrastructure and I'm thinking it would be reasonable to expect refugees to take properly paid work on arrival here. Where that work took place to be at the authorities discretion.

[Baz]

While I'm not sure about forming an army I'm beginning to think the principle of refugees having to work on arrival is becoming essential.

My in laws were both immigrants. The MIL chose to come here to work in textile mills as Britain offered post war jobs to boost our economy. The FIL was a refugee unable to return home after being forced labour for the Nazis. He was obliged to work, wherever directed, for at least two years.

We have huge needs to improve many aspects of our infrastructure and I'm thinking it would be reasonable to expect refugees to take properly paid work on arrival here. Where that work took place to be at the authorities discretion.

Quite a number of the refugees are mid to high skilled workers, including doctors. It seems daft to deny these people a chance of working. I can understand the reluctance for the same thing for the low skilled positions too.

[ultrablue]

Excellent idea from Poland

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/syrian-refugees-should-be-trained-into-an-army-to-fight-isis-polands-foreign-minister-says-a6736776.html

Who should they fight for? The dictator they fled, who used chemical weapons on his own people, or the international death cult of ISIS?

If only the Syrian conflict were as simple as we want it to be.

[Steve Moss]

Who should they fight for? The dictator they fled, who used chemical weapons on his own people, or the international death cult of ISIS?

If only the Syrian conflict were as simple as we want it to be.

Both.

[ultrablue]

You'll have to be a bit clearer there Steve. It seems you just said Poland should arm and train ISIS fighters while also arming and training soliders for an enemy of the US.

[perthblue02]

While I'm not sure about forming an army I'm beginning to think the principle of refugees having to work on arrival is becoming essential.

My in laws were both immigrants. The MIL chose to come here to work in textile mills as Britain offered post war jobs to boost our economy. The FIL was a refugee unable to return home after being forced labour for the Nazis. He was obliged to work, wherever directed, for at least two years.

We have huge needs to improve many aspects of our infrastructure and I'm thinking it would be reasonable to expect refugees to take properly paid work on arrival here. Where that work took place to be at the authorities discretion.

That is a very good idea Paul, but I'm pretty sure the Euro Human rights Lawyers will have something to say about forcing people to work and remember the whole asylum /refugee industry is big business.

One other suggestion is that the people who want to accept more refugees above agreed quotas actually sponsor them. A sponsor will be responsible for housing, private health care, general living costs and also any legal bills for for each refugee they sponsor for the time they are in the country. I personally think that is a pretty fair compromise and at no great additional expense to the public in general.

I am pretty sure the take up on a sponsorship scheme would be massive considering all the people who are objecting to various Governments tightening their borders. Surely using their own money instead of relying on somebody else to foot the bill will not make them change their views although from what I have seen of those shouting the loudest they may have to get a job to pay for it instead of tossing about at uni on a 5 year media studies course funded by Mummy and Daddy..

[onlyonetugay]

A doctor who has been invited to speak at the Brexit conference by Farage? How very neutral.

As for his mother and aunt, thats frankly embarrassing for Cameron. Shame they are only fighting for local Oxfordshire child resources though, maybe they should join Labour and tackle these cuts to vital services across the country?

Yes a doctor invited to speak at a conference along with Labour MP , Graham Stringer, Ian Paisley of the DUP and an asssortment of Conservative MPs, so basically covering the whole political spectrum ( apart from the xenophobic SNP) . If you read the whole article ( did you ?) the conference was organised by a Conservative MEP , so I'm assuming he was responsible for the invites and not Nigel Farage.

I find it amazing that you make no comment on the fact that a senior consultant , who I'm sure knows a heck of a lot more about the NHS than me and you, states that the service is being financially compromised by health tourists from the EU . However I'm guessing that Labour's answer would be to pour more taxpayers money into the NHS, to fund these EU health tourists . Socialists are wonderful at spending other people's money.

Embarrassing for David Cameron ? Jeremy Corbyn is one long running embarrassment and most right minded Labour voters know it .

[onlyonetugay]

That is a very good idea Paul, but I'm pretty sure the Euro Human rights Lawyers will have something to say about forcing people to work and remember the whole asylum /refugee industry is big business.

One other suggestion is that the people who want to accept more refugees above agreed quotas actually sponsor them. A sponsor will be responsible for housing, private health care, general living costs and also any legal bills for for each refugee they sponsor for the time they are in the country. I personally think that is a pretty fair compromise and at no great additional expense to the public in general.

I am pretty sure the take up on a sponsorship scheme would be massive considering all the people who are objecting to various Governments tightening their borders. Surely using their own money instead of relying on somebody else to foot the bill will not make them change their views although from what I have seen of those shouting the loudest they may have to get a job to pay for it instead of tossing about at uni on a 5 year media studies course funded by Mummy and Daddy..

At last some " out of the box , blue sky thinking " An excellent idea !

[K-Hod]

It's amazing that politics gets as tribal as footy!

The thing I'm most concerned with is chasing up tax avoiders/evaders, rather than prioritising cuts to some of the most vulnerable in society. It's all well and good going on about bedroom tax, but if there isn't the available social housing to move people to then it's wrong for the most part. Yes, there are people on benefits that take the proverbial and it never should have been incentivised in some ways (i.e. some people being better off on benefits than working), but it's the system that is broken. Being on benefits for the most part really isn't a good life, thankfully I've only ever been unemployed for a short amount of time in my life and it was grim and I have no desire to ever be back in that situation ever again.

Yet again, too many people think that people on benefits are the real problem in the country rather than tax evaders/avoiders, when the latter cost the country far more money. Furthermore, there is so much more funding available to fix benefit fraud rather than the evaders/avoiders.

The cynic in me tells me that there is less of an appetite to fix this problem. But, this isn't a problem exclusive to this government, this has been going on for years. Whilst it stands to reason that people would want to pay the least amount of tax possible (who wouldn't?), morally it's pretty bankrupt. If this makes me a socialist, then so be it, but I don't think anything I believe in ties in with any real socialist principles. Maybe I could be accused of some naivety, there's possibly a case for that, but I suppose I simply believe in doing what is right.

I don't really feel like I can believe in any mainstream politicians due to a complete lack of honesty on their part. Ironically, the most honest seems to be Jeremy Corbyn, but his honesty is just about the only thing I really agree with him on, the guy seems far too outdated (or ahead of his time in SKH's view!). Even though Cameron et al are all considered 'moderate' Conservatives I still find them hard to trust, and all the rhetoric about a Northern Powerhouse has proven to be hot air. How much funding has London and the South had in comparison to the rest of the country, not just recently, but historically? This isn't about a Northern lad having a chip on my shoulder about it, it's just a fact. People could say why not move down South? But then, why would I do that? I've no reason to. Plus, that just exacerbates the problem.

Cross Rail which is in conjunction with the London Underground, has had loads of funding, the Northern Powerhouse has seen delay after delay. How long did it take for the Todmorden Curve (direct rail link from Accrington to Manchester) to be re-introduced? It seemed like a lifetime ago.

Anyway, I've rambled on and probably bored the hell out of the forum, so my apologies!!

[jim mk2]

Governments "don't spend other people's money". They spend the tax take, ie the money that belongs to government to pay for public services, welfare, schools, the armed forces, police and so on. The money doesn't belong to you or I and if you think it's yours you try getting it back from HMRC or, even better, not paying it all (though some high profile companies seems to manage it). See how that works out in court.

[Al]

It's amazing that politics gets as tribal as footy at times!

Particularly as there isn't really the difference of a fag paper between the parties except UKIP who at least are clear on what their major policy is.

[jim mk2]

Particularly as there isn't really the difference of a fag paper between the parties except UKIP who at least are clear on what their major policy is.

Ukip's a one horse party (Farage) with only one policy (immigration). If we do leave the EU they won't have anything to stand for.

[onlyonetugay]

Ukip's a one horse party (Farage) with only one policy (immigration). If we do leave the EU they won't have anything to stand for.

Well they'll have achieved their aim . Their policy is to exit the EU . Job done , happy days !