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[onlyonetugay]

I don't know Jim personally, and I'm sure he'll speak for himself soon, but from the bits I've gathered on here I'd say that's two swings and two misses!

They weren't swings ( are you some sort of agent provocateur?) one was a guess and one was a thought..

[jim mk2]

Not very bright are you. To create wealth/money you have to add value. Governments do not do that. With out it no taxes are available for the government of the day to @#/? it up against a wall

Wealth is traditionally measured using gross domestic product, which has four factors: private spending (consumption), plus government spending, plus investment, plus net exports. The amount of public services provided by the government add to wealth as it is measured.

In addition, wealth is not just a measure of the physical things we produce but a measurement of the total amount produced in our economy. Governments create wealth when they provide any sort of private or public service - postal services, health services, infrastructure, transport, education etc.

Wealth is also created when government money is spent conducting research or invested in innovation. One innovation which owes its existence to the government is the internet.

All you need to create wealth is people working together in some way to create a better outcome than there was before. A police force that reduces crime and makes the public safer creates wealth; a prison creates wealth by keeping criminals away from the public; the public sector worker who buys a product from a private producer is putting food on the table of that producer. It's all about making the overall pie bigger through collective action - private and public

Your statement is just a tired old cliche which defies logic.

[yoda]

Wealth is traditionally measured using gross domestic product, which has four factors: private spending (consumption), plus government spending, plus investment, plus net exports. The amount of public services provided by the government add to wealth as it is measured.

In addition, wealth is not just a measure of the physical things we produce but a measurement of the total amount produced in our economy. Governments create wealth when they provide any sort of private or public service - postal services, health services, infrastructure, transport, education etc.

Wealth is also created when government money is spent conducting research or invested in innovation. One innovation which owes its existence to the government is the internet.

All you need to create wealth is people working together in some way to create a better outcome than there was before. A police force that reduces crime and makes the public safer creates wealth; a prison creates wealth by keeping criminals away from the public; the public sector worker who buys a product from a private producer is putting food on the table of that producer. It's all about making the overall pie bigger through collective action - private and public

Your statement is just a tired old cliche which defies logic.

Yes Jim, same old left wing bullstein

The only way to create wealth is to add value to something as you well know.

All your other points follow as a result of this basic activity

[K-Hod]

They weren't swings ( are you some sort of agent provocateur?) one was a guess and one was a thought..

Bloody hell, I'll have to stop having a joke on here! Agent provocateur? Jesus Christ.....

[onlyonetugay]

Bloody hell, I'll have to stop having a joke on here! Agent provocateur? Jesus Christ.....

Calm down dear

[Biddy]

If you think that's wrong, go and try and earn money in a third world country without the infrastructure we have.

I think you will find a LOT of people are making a bucket load of money out of the third world where there supposedly isn't the same level of infrastructure we have. It's all about having the brains to work within the means you have - they would be the entrepreneurs!

[VinjayV4]

.................and if she came up on the train , when it got to Crewe she'd change out of her London outfit and change into clothes she thought were more appropriate for her working class voters in Blackburn .

When the textile industry was suffering colossal job losses and closures in the 60's and employers were asking for tariffs to be strengthened to protect against cheap imports from India, she was heard to say - if the closure of a Blackburn mill means one opens in India then so be it

And they named a dual carriage way after the woman !

Didn't know any of that but she was still a big name and tipped as future prime minister. Kate Hollern might as well be invisible the town needs a high profile MP like the previous 70 years. Its quite appropriate that she's been given a "shadow" position by Corbyn because she's a pale shadow of the previous MPs. Big names carry far more weight in parliament though I've never been a fan of Jack Straw (mainly because I've disagreed with comments he's made about Rovers more than anything else lol) who of course was recently given "freedom of the borough".

[yoda]

Didn't know any of that but she was still a big name and tipped as future prime minister. Kate Hollern might as well be invisible the town needs a high profile MP like the previous 70 years. Its quite appropriate that she's been given a "shadow" position by Corbyn because she's a pale shadow of the previous MPs. Big names carry far more weight in parliament though I've never been a fan of Jack Straw (mainly because I've disagreed with comments he's made about Rovers more than anything else lol) who of course was recently given "freedom of the borough".

I loved it when my Mother told Castle where to go on the stage at KGH

[oldjamfan1]

Didn't know any of that but she was still a big name and tipped as future prime minister. Kate Hollern might as well be invisible the town needs a high profile MP like the previous 70 years. Its quite appropriate that she's been given a "shadow" position by Corbyn because she's a pale shadow of the previous MPs. Big names carry far more weight in parliament though I've never been a fan of Jack Straw (mainly because I've disagreed with comments he's made about Rovers more than anything else lol) who of course was recently given "freedom of the borough".

Hollern is just revelling in the novelty of being a Scottish labour MP

[JAL]

Was it another nail in the coffin for freedom of speech in this country with the Independent newspapers announcing yesterday that its to be taken over?

[K-Hod]

Was it another nail in the coffin for freedom of speech in this country with the Independent newspapers announcing yesterday that its to be taken over?

Is it being taken over? I thought they were stopping the printed versions!

[perthblue02]

Until the correction, I was wondering if they were going to use them as a diversion

[jim mk2]

Required reading for all northern Tory voters. This is what happens when you vote for a party that exists only to serve London and the south and also to actively damage the north. And it's being going on for more than 35 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/why-is-londons-garden-bridge-worth-as-much-as-five-lancashire-museums-ask-joanna-lumley

[Beta Ray Bill]

What you fail to understand is that the UK is more than a north/south split. Perhaps people vote on national issues such as the economy, taxation, defence, law and order and many other subjects that affect everyone.

Maybe Northern based Conservative voters are far more generous in their beliefs and look out for the national interest rather than the local I'm alright Jack parochial concerns you seem to think are of paramount concern?

[Al]

Required reading for all northern Tory voters. This is what happens when you vote for a party that exists only to serve London and the south and also to actively damage the north. And it's being going on for more than 35 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/why-is-londons-garden-bridge-worth-as-much-as-five-lancashire-museums-ask-joanna-lumley

Not going to argue with you on this one Jim. This is a scandal!

[Baz]

Required reading for all northern Tory voters. This is what happens when you vote for a party that exists only to serve London and the south and also to actively damage the north. And it's being going on for more than 35 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/why-is-londons-garden-bridge-worth-as-much-as-five-lancashire-museums-ask-joanna-lumley

The comparison is wrong for me though, the £30m coming from the transport for London budget is obviously not needed, so it could be used to better public transport in the north, like renewing some of the 40+ year old rail rolling stock, they wouldn't dare use in the South.

[Biddy]

Required reading for all northern Tory voters. This is what happens when you vote for a party that exists only to serve London and the south and also to actively damage the north. And it's being going on for more than 35 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/why-is-londons-garden-bridge-worth-as-much-as-five-lancashire-museums-ask-joanna-lumley

I agree, that is an utter disgrace. However... 35 years? Is that including the 17 under Labour rule?

[jim mk2]

What you fail to understand is that the UK is more than a north/south split. Perhaps people vote on national issues such as the economy, taxation, defence, law and order and many other subjects that affect everyone.

Maybe Northern based Conservative voters are far more generous in their beliefs and look out for the national interest rather than the local I'm alright Jack parochial concerns you seem to think are of paramount concern?

It's pretty clear cut to me there is a regional divide and has been for many years. For "North" in this context it could refer to any region outside the south east.

Here's more evidence today (see below) - and this in not unusual. Every week there are stories like this.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/87620cf2-ca7e-11e5-a8ef-ea66e967dd44.html#axzz408NDXjgg

[Paul]

This is an interesting aspect of the UK's potential exit from the EU which as the article says is not being discussed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/12151896/Expats-are-being-frozen-out-on-Europe.html

The basis behind the article is should we leave the EU and subsequently deny benefits, health care etc. to non UK citizens it's likely EU states would respond in kind. According to the FT, January 2014, 1.8m British citizens live in Europe with 1m alone in Spain. 400,000 of these migrants claim UK state pensions.

This could be fun. If the UK leaves the EU, denies benefits, health care and so on to EU citizens this may force them to return home. The same could be true of British migrants. I wonder where we put all those returning from abroad?

I've a friend who emigrated many years ago; he tells me property prices and living costs mean returning home, if he wanted to, is unaffordable. Though he admits serious illness would override all of that as he'd return for NHS treatment!!!!

[onlyonetugay]

Another champagne socialist. She used to travel to the outskirts of Blackburn in a chauffeur driven government car, then hop into a Ford Anglia to drive into town.

Jim's only interested if they went to Eton, subscribing to his 'Lord Snooty' obsession.

Some more champagne socialists . Their left wing anti government hypocrisy knows no bounds. All hail the working class - yeah right on Julie .

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4690494.ece

All that money might have kept some museums open in Lancashire. Can we have a donation Julie ?

Sorry you can't read all the article , Times website is subscription based. I tried to find a report on this story on the BBC website and the Guardian one but for some reason they don't cover it. I may have missed it so to the Guardian readers on here , please help.

[K-Hod]

Why would actors not get paid to act? Would you work for free? I bloody wouldn't!

[yoda]

This is an interesting aspect of the UK's potential exit from the EU which as the article says is not being discussed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/12151896/Expats-are-being-frozen-out-on-Europe.html

The basis behind the article is should we leave the EU and subsequently deny benefits, health care etc. to non UK citizens it's likely EU states would respond in kind. According to the FT, January 2014, 1.8m British citizens live in Europe with 1m alone in Spain. 400,000 of these migrants claim UK state pensions.

This could be fun. If the UK leaves the EU, denies benefits, health care and so on to EU citizens this may force them to return home. The same could be true of British migrants. I wonder where we put all those returning from abroad?

I've a friend who emigrated many years ago; he tells me property prices and living costs mean returning home, if he wanted to, is unaffordable. Though he admits serious illness would override all of that as he'd return for NHS treatment!!!!

A lot on conjecture in that article and not much fact, pensions for example would not be affected. (The UK government some years ago lost it's case for not paying inflationary increases to over seas pension claimants i.e. non EU residents with a UK pension)

In France and Spain you already have to pay for health care, either on demand or by insurance cover. It is probably the same across the EU as well.

If you are still classed as a UK citizen you are entitled to use the UK health cover card which covers you for emergency situations and the cost is covers by the NHS.

In most EU countries you are entitled to apply for citizenship if you have been domiciled for at least 4 years (some 5 years) so if you had decided to live in a particular country why not apply.

[onlyonetugay]

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-apple-san-bernardino-terror-20160218-story.html

The arrogance of Apple ! It's a bit rich of them , well known for the mass harvesting of data on its own users , posing as the champion of personal privacy !

[K-Hod]

http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/news/local-news/drug-dealers-facebook-account-obscene-10872099

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/14280666.Brothers__who_posted_obscene_messages_on_Facebook_about_judge_just_minutes_after_leaving_court_locked_up/

Don't think this guy used his loaf at all......

[donnermeat]

http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/news/local-news/drug-dealers-facebook-account-obscene-10872099

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/14280666.Brothers__who_posted_obscene_messages_on_Facebook_about_judge_just_minutes_after_leaving_court_locked_up/

Don't think this guy used his loaf at all......

Is that a Rockport t-shirt? Say no more...