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[onlyonetugay]

Saw that too. Pathetic, playground behaviour from as usual from the Tory benches.

I feel sorry for you if that is what you consider "comedy gold". Try getting out more.

Now this is funny. Funny because it's actually real (done by a UKIP party member):

If you haven't got the intellectual ability to argue and debate, without resorting to personal insults, it's you I feel sorry for

Even Andy Burnham and Angela Eagle found it funny

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Sorry, I didn't word my question clearly enough. I understand the effects of migration (although I may come back to some of those points I disagree with!).

You said people take stances on issues for personal reasons, citing someone wanting to protect a public sector job as an example. I was wondering what personal reason you had for caring about migration?

Ah ok. Well I said people take stances on what they consider to be the most important issue, rather than what's necessarily personal. My other analogy was opposition to airstrikes which I doubt any of the protestors were personally affected by.

I've a few personal reasons to care about migration, but that's not the primary basis for my opinion. I think people should generally consider the bigger picture over potential personal bias from what could be one-off events.

[JBiz]

Talking of oafs, a bit of light hearted banter in the debate yesterday , when Jeremy Corbyn said

Last week, I was in Brussels meeting with leaders of European socialist parties , one of whom said to me.......

to which a Conservative MP mockingly shouted " who are you? "

The Commons erupted in laughter and even Andy Burnham and Angela Eagle couldn't keep a straight face .

Jezzer is an oaf and would be a complete disaster as a PM , but as leader of the opposition at times he's pure comedy gold.

What are politicians paid to do? Discuss, debate and offer solutions to problems.

Not take the @#/?. The fact it was Corbyn is completely irrelevant. Burnham is just another example if the type of people we are voting in - self obsessed fools with a priority for their own preservation.

If doctors didn't do what they're paid to do, if police didn't either - if teachers took the @#/? and didn't teach- they'd be replaced. Whoever heckled should be removed for good. Disgusting.

I'm also not suprised to see people defend it through a hatred for Corbyn.

[onlyonetugay]

What are politicians paid to do? Discuss, debate and offer solutions to problems.

Not take the @#/?. The fact it was Corbyn is completely irrelevant. Burnham is just another example if the type of people we are voting in - self obsessed fools with a priority for their own preservation.

If doctors didn't do what they're paid to do, if police didn't either - if teachers took the @#/? and didn't teach- they'd be replaced. Whoever heckled should be removed for good. Disgusting.

I'm also not suprised to see people defend it through a hatred for Corbyn.

It was a bit of good natured banter that's all. It's been going on for years and years in the House of Commons from both sides. . If it had been the other way around I'm sure all this mock indignation wouldn't have surfaced. It's only because a Tory has taken the mick out of the Labour leader

I don't hate Corbyn, I find him pretty ineffective and if he ever got into power I'd be worried . Having said that he is a man of principle and for that I admire him , he's not your typical champagne socialist

Yesterday was an example of good debate on both sides , interspersed by what I saw ( along with Andy Burnham and Angela Eagle ) as a bit of humour. Take that out of politics or life in general and we'll have a pretty dull existence.

[jim mk2]

The bigger picture with immigration is that study after study have shown it to be overall a huge boost for the economy. These people contribute far more than they take, and the stupidity of this government is that in its obsession to cut immigration numbers and pander to the far right of its party is that we are now preventing high quality immigrants that are needed in needed in the expanding digital economy from coming here and staying on in this country after they have finished at university.

The bigger picture of the whole EU debate is that the immigration is minor issue compared to the likely huge economic repercussions of Brexit.

[VinjayV4]

I saw that video, it was absolutely embarrassing. Grown men don't even have any manners, what an example they are setting. It doesn't matter whether you agree with Corbyn or not, you let someone finish when they're talking. They came across as being very arrogant and pathetic.

Obviously they feel they can shout someone down when they don't agree with them. What a way to deal with people eh?

Must have thought they were in a football stadium!

[onlyonetugay]

The bigger picture with immigration is that study after study have shown it to be overall a huge boost for the economy. These people contribute far more than they take, and the stupidity of this government is that in its obsession to cut immigration numbers and pander to the far right of its party is that we are now preventing high quality immigrants that are needed in needed in the expanding digital economy from coming here and staying on in this country after they have finished at university.

The bigger picture of the whole EU debate is that the immigration is minor issue compared to the likely huge economic repercussions of Brexit.

The Australian points system would sort that particular problem out, but I can see from your signature that you have little time for Australians . Having said that it isn't morally right that we hoover up intelligent and well educated graduates from overseas , many from under developed countries. Those highly skilled graduates should return to their countries of origin , to help develop their own economies.

[JBiz]

It was a bit of good natured banter that's all. It's been going on for years and years in the House of Commons from both sides. . If it had been the other way around I'm sure all this mock indignation wouldn't have surfaced. It's only because a Tory has taken the mick out of the Labour leader

I don't hate Corbyn, I find him pretty ineffective and if he ever got into power I'd be worried . Having said that he is a man of principle and for that I admire him , he's not your typical champagne socialist

Yesterday was an example of good debate on both sides , interspersed by what I saw ( along with Andy Burnham and Angela Eagle ) as a bit of humour. Take that out of politics or life in general and we'll have a pretty dull existence.

Good natured banter? It's not twitter or Facebook it's the house of bloody commons.

Politics shouldn't be about having a laugh or making the other leader look a fool.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-tories-drowned-out-jeremy-corbyns-eu-speech-with-a-football-chant-british-politics-hit-a-new-low-a6890926.html

I agree with much of this.

[onlyonetugay]

What are politicians paid to do? Discuss, debate and offer solutions to problems.

Not take the @#/?. The fact it was Corbyn is completely irrelevant. Burnham is just another example if the type of people we are voting in - self obsessed fools with a priority for their own preservation.

If doctors didn't do what they're paid to do, if police didn't either - if teachers took the @#/? and didn't teach- they'd be replaced. Whoever heckled should be removed for good. Disgusting.

I'm also not suprised to see people defend it through a hatred for Corbyn.

I've just caught a bit of the Parliament channel, 3 Labour MPs, including Chris Bryant , barracking and haranguing a Government minister in the middle of a debate. Disgusting ! Let's remove them too !

[onlyonetugay]

Good natured banter? It's not twitter or Facebook it's the house of bloody commons.

Politics shouldn't be about having a laugh or making the other leader look a fool.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as-tories-drowned-out-jeremy-corbyns-eu-speech-with-a-football-chant-british-politics-hit-a-new-low-a6890926.html

I agree with much of this.

Politics is rough and tumble , I'm sure Jeremy has recovered from his " mauling "

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

The bigger picture with immigration is that study after study have shown it to be overall a huge boost for the economy. These people contribute far more than they take, and the stupidity of this government is that in its obsession to cut immigration numbers and pander to the far right of its party is that we are now preventing high quality immigrants that are needed in needed in the expanding digital economy from coming here and staying on in this country after they have finished at university.

The bigger picture of the whole EU debate is that the immigration is minor issue compared to the likely huge economic repercussions of Brexit.

That's not the bigger picture. That's the smaller picture as you deliberately picked arguably the most positive way immigration affects society, the economy. Quite amusing your sudden obsession with economic prosperity whatever the social cost, have you had an overnight epiphany and become a Thatcherite?

As for it actually being a huge economic boost, it very much depends on the type of immigration. EU immigrants have been, immigrants from outside the EU haven't. And the vast majority of people currently on the move in Europe are from outside the EU.

[JBiz]

I've just caught a bit of the Parliament channel, 3 Labour MPs, including Chris Bryant , barracking and haranguing a Government minister in the middle of a debate. Disgusting ! Let's remove them too !

Quote? The words you use didn't include heckle.

I'm not suggesting this is a standpoint, it's about the mantra of nearly all politicians.

More obsessed with their own importance than the interests of their own constituencies.

Politics is rough and tumble , I'm sure Jeremy has recovered from his " mauling "

Corbyn's personal feeling are irrelevant. I've never stated a belief in him or his new look shadow cabinet.

My personal problem, is the lack of understanding of the severity of what is being discussed, more than 50% of those present showed us.

[onlyonetugay]

Please lets not get into the semantics of the difference between heckling, haranguing and barracking. If you'd have seen the petulant behaviour of the 3 Labour MPs this afternoon I hope , looking at it objectively , you'd agree it was just as bad as what happened yesterday . There wasn't any humour in it, but as you didn't find the Corbyn incident funny , then let's just say it was comparable. Therefore if as you state , the Tory backbencher should be removed forever , then Bryant and the other 2 MPs should be too . That's my point.

If you have a personal problem about the lack of understanding of the severity of what is being discussed and that more than 50% of those present showed you that , the great get out is that the PM has provided us all with the opportunity to use our democratic right. Referendums are the purest form of democracy. I think the Great British public will make the right decision, we shouldn't underestimate them !

I'm fairly relaxed about the whole thing, as I think the EU will eventually collapse. It's currency is questionable , it can't control it's borders and it's imposing eye watering austerity on the working people of Greece. It's economy is stagnant and unemployment rates in some of the southern member states are ranging between 20 and 25% . It's totally unprepared for the next euro crisis.

It's also seeing the rising popularity of parties from both the extreme left and right.

Would we join this disparate union of European nations if we weren't in already ? I doubt it

[JBiz]

Question is, how do you change it for the better without being involved?

As for semantics, it's a different intention. I very much doubt the entire Labour Party spent 5 minutes guffawing their eton heads off at something so juvenile. I didn't find it funny in the slightest because it's nearly the most witless put down I've ever heard.

I'd expect some stupid beer boy in the local might say "who are you" if I asked him to repay a pint he just spilled.

The irony is that many European socialists will know exactly who Jeremy Corbyn is, because he's been sat on a certain side of the fence for long enough to be noticed.

While faceless pompous oafs of privilege make snide remarks from the back benches of their pig loving party.

[onlyonetugay]

Question is, how do you change it for the better without being involved?

As for semantics, it's a different intention. I very much doubt the entire Labour Party spent 5 minutes guffawing their eton heads off at something so juvenile. I didn't find it funny in the slightest because it's nearly the most witless put down I've ever heard.

I'd expect some stupid beer boy in the local might say "who are you" if I asked him to repay a pint he just spilled.

The irony is that many European socialists will know exactly who Jeremy Corbyn is, because he's been sat on a certain side of the fence for long enough to be noticed.

While faceless pompous oafs of privilege make snide remarks from the back benches of their pig loving party.

Well I guess that's a balanced , grown -up and objective response. I could start on those hypocritcal champagne socialists conning the working classes for generations but this is getting tiresome

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Question is, how do you change it for the better without being involved?

As for semantics, it's a different intention. I very much doubt the entire Labour Party spent 5 minutes guffawing their eton heads off at something so juvenile. I didn't find it funny in the slightest because it's nearly the most witless put down I've ever heard.

I'd expect some stupid beer boy in the local might say "who are you" if I asked him to repay a pint he just spilled.

The irony is that many European socialists will know exactly who Jeremy Corbyn is, because he's been sat on a certain side of the fence for long enough to be noticed.

While faceless pompous oafs of privilege make snide remarks from the back benches of their pig loving party.

Pig loving?

Surely they're all as bad as each other. The commons has resembled a kids playground for as long as I've been alive. The conservatives won that little bout of juvenile behaviour, and I'm sure Labour will win one at some point. Maybe they'll even employ your pig lovers barb which is every bit as inane as saying who are you.

One of the most nauseating displays of childishness I've seen in the last year was the leaders debate prior to the last election and Sturgeon's massively contrived group hug with the other women (and possibly Milliband, I was too busy rolling my eyes to focus properly on who made the moron love-in), before totally ignoring Farage and Cameron. I mean talk about pathetic, I bet even Trump shakes the opposition's hand after a debate.

I wouldn't insult Labour by comparing them to the SNP but as I say, everyone has their turn at some point and everyone's got their immature backbenchers on that score..

[JBiz]

Thing is, I'd agree with you on the champagne Charlie's like Blair. It just genuinely sickens me to see so many treat the debate like that.

[jim mk2]

Away from the party politics and the overblown immigration debate, people need also to remember that this referendum is also a vote on future of Britain. Scots are confirmed Europhiles and it is quite likely that a Brexit could trigger another Scottish independence vote and a likely Scottish exit from the United Kingdom. And before swivel eyed Little Englanders say "good riddance", consider this: do they seriously think that a disunited rump UK of England, Wales and N Ireland will have any relevance in an increasingly competitive world and be able to thrive on its own and without easy access to the world's biggest trading bloc? Cameron won't want to be remembered as the PM that presided over Britain's exit from Europe and the disintegration of a 300-year union that in its heyday ruled the world - but that is what he is facing.

[adopted scouser]

Talking of oafs, a bit of light hearted banter in the debate yesterday , when Jeremy Corbyn said

Last week, I was in Brussels meeting with leaders of European socialist parties , one of whom said to me.......

to which a Conservative MP mockingly shouted " who are you? "

The Commons erupted in laughter and even Andy Burnham and Angela Eagle couldn't keep a straight face .

Jezzer is an oaf and would be a complete disaster as a PM , but as leader of the opposition at times he's pure comedy gold.

I was driving at the time and roared, very funny and shades of Derek and Clive.

If Boris or Cameron had been on the receiving end, the guardianistas on here would have found it funny.

Grow up.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Away from the party politics and the overblown immigration debate, people need also to remember that this referendum is also a vote on future of Britain. Scots are confirmed Europhiles and it is quite likely that a Brexit could trigger another Scottish independence vote and a likely Scottish exit from the United Kingdom. And before swivel eyed Little Englanders say "good riddance", consider this: do they seriously think that a disunited rump UK of England, Wales and N Ireland will have any relevance in an increasingly competitive world and be able to thrive on its own and without easy access to the world's biggest trading bloc? Cameron won't want to be remembered as the PM that presided over Britain's exit from Europe and the disintegration of a 300-year union that in its heyday ruled the world - but that is what he is facing.

Scotland want to stay in, well I never. Why on earth would they want to stay in when they have barely any immigration, zero terror threat and zero overpopulation. Ah yes, just like Ireland its a completely different Europe than the one we deal with, one with all of the benefits and none of the aggro.

Good riddance doesn't even scratch the surface to be honest. After years of having our laws voted on by MPs of a country who increasingly want nothing to do with us and who are now dominated by an anti-English nationalist party, are you seriously suggesting people give a monkeys what they think? To what, keep them barely on board for a few years until they demand their next referendum? The rump of the UK without Scotland, from (I assume) an Englishman. Shameful.

I hope some of the In campaigns top brass come out with these things. Job done.

[jim mk2]

And there speaks one of the Little Englanders.

[Biddy]

I probably should put this in the rant thread, but I find the term "Brexit" bloody awful. Surely the term doesn't even fit the purpose.

[jim mk2]

Makes a good newspaper headline and it sums up the campaign. I saw another the other day for Frexit, the anti-EU campaign in France.

[Biddy]

putting in and out differences aside, does anyone think that what David Cameron actually got from his EU deal makes our relationship with the EU better? Will it overall make any difference?

[K-Hod]

I was driving at the time and roared, very funny and shades of Derek and Clive.

If Boris or Cameron had been on the receiving end, the guardianistas on here would have found it funny.

Grow up.

I wouldn't have found it funny personally, but then that's just me. Politeness seems to have escaped politicians. Just because someone acts like a bell end to someone you dislike, doesn't make it right.