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[adopted scouser]

I wouldn't have found it funny personally, but then that's just me. Politeness seems to have escaped politicians. Just because someone acts like a bell end to someone you dislike, doesn't make it right.

Does make it funny though, shadenfreude

[K-Hod]

Guess we have differing senses of humour!!

[JBiz]

Does make it funny though, shadenfreude

Misfortune? You are laughing at Corbyns misfortune? If you've misinterpreted the meaning of the term, please explain to me why it's funny. Perhaps you're taking pleasure at the countries misfortune in choosing representatives with no class.

In my opinion, and nobody has yet to even come close to discussing it with more than a "it's just banter"; It could be anyone in the house, it's juvenile behaviour akin to lower set secondary school.

If it was the other way round, it would make no difference. I've seen some shameful things said or done in the commons recently, e.g. an empty house for a debate on tracking and this is no different.

We are represented by those who only seek to further their own means. The divide grows, and we squabble about migration.

It just doesn't seem real!

[Baz]

putting in and out differences aside, does anyone think that what David Cameron actually got from his EU deal makes our relationship with the EU better? Will it overall make any difference?

He's come back with next to nothing, which is more or less what he went for in the first place.

[Baz]

Just heard that British Farmers are subsidised by £5bn by the EU. That's quite a hefty % of their £11bn income.

If we leave the EU they would be subject to tariffs, as an example with Cheese, non-EU competitors have to pay 80% of the revenue of their product in order to be allowed to sell into the EU. Now obviously there may be some trade deal, but there is a decent risk that wouldn't happen too, and obviously we use a lot of British products in Britain, but its a massive risk for farmers to put their subsidies and their export market in the hands of uncertainty over a Exit vote.

[ultrablue]

Leaving the EU would mean losing the millions of pounds they are commited to sending to local councils in the North of England in development funds. Over 200 million will be given to Lancashire between 2014 and 2020. Over 400 million to Greater Manchester.

Do you really trust the Tories to make up the shortfall should the country vote Out?

[dave birch]

Just heard that British Farmers are subsidised by £5bn by the EU. That's quite a hefty % of their £11bn income.

If we leave the EU they would be subject to tariffs, as an example with Cheese, non-EU competitors have to pay 80% of the revenue of their product in order to be allowed to sell into the EU. Now obviously there may be some trade deal, but there is a decent risk that wouldn't happen too, and obviously we use a lot of British products in Britain, but its a massive risk for farmers to put their subsidies and their export market in the hands of uncertainty over a Exit vote.

Baz, subsidies like that just lead to overproduction and dumping in markets around the world.

The Italians have been found "guilty" of dumping canned tomatoes here in Australia, and now find that these goods cop a tariff.

Surely it's better to get the farmers to stand on their own, as many businesses do.

With so many free trade agreements these days, sudsidies and tariffs should not be needed

[Audax]

The Beast from the East wins another primary.

[onlyonetugay]

And there speaks one of the Little Englanders.

That comment sums up Labour and the extreme left ( one and the same under Jeremy Corbyn)They've have always hated the English. Before this board goes into meltdown , that's not just me saying that. The left wing Guardian newspaper acknowledge this too .

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/labour-left-miliband-hating-english

I find it sad and ironic that anyone who shows a whiff of pride in their English heritage and defends English values , is at risk of being called a little Englander

What are we to make of Sturgeon, Salmond and their anti english supporters , blackmailing the English with the threat of another referendum if the UK leaves the EU , ? I say to the SNP, have another referendum, wrap yourself in your flag and spout your nationalistic nonsense - you're nothing but bog eyed little Scotlanders

[K-Hod]

That comment sums up Labour and the extreme left ( one and the same under Jeremy Corbyn)They've have always hated the English. Before this board goes into meltdown , that's not just me saying that. The left wing Guardian newspaper acknowledge this too .

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/labour-left-miliband-hating-english

I find it sad and ironic that anyone who shows a whiff of pride in their English heritage and defends English values , is at risk of being called a little Englander

What are we to make of Sturgeon, Salmond and their anti english supporters , blackmailing the English if the UK leaves the EU , with the threat of another referendum ? I say to the SNP, have another referendum, wrap yourself in your flag and spout your nationalistic nonsense - you're nothing but bog eyed little Scotlanders.

I think that's a bit melodramatic, but you've got a point with a lot of what you say. Nothing wrong with national pride whatsoever as far as I'm concerned.

As it goes, I really don't like the SNP, they only gained a lot of their interest and support by whipping up existing anti-English sentiment. If they went independent they wouldn't have the means to support themselves. They can't keep stamping their feet until the get the outcome they want (though I expect they will). It's all very embarrassing.

[T J Hooker]

Does make it funny though, shadenfreude

Leave shad alone

[jim mk2]

"Little Englander" is a state of mind, it's parochialism, the failure to look past one's nose and see the bigger picture and the wider world - it's got nothing to be nationalism. The post 2 above shows the narrowness of that state of mind.

[Al]

And there speaks one of the Little Englanders.

If that is a "Little Englander" Then I'm proud to be one. Scotland, with cheap oil, and special privileges, has been a burden on the rest of us for too long.

[onlyonetugay]

"Little Englander" is a state of mind, it's parochialism, the failure to look past one's nose and see the bigger picture and the wider world - it's got nothing to be nationalism. The post 2 above shows the narrowness of that state of mind.

Really ?

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=little%20englander

You once accused me of incoherent nonsense, when it's your specialist subject . I'd stick to your " Lord Snooty " obsession .

In that definition replace Little Englander with Little Scotlander and you've got Sturgeon, Salmond and Uncle Tom McCobley . Their specialist subject is unpleasant and dangerous nationalism - but will you find the left criticising that ? Don't hold your breath . It's another one of their blind spots. Talk about a narrow of state of mind

[adopted scouser]

"Wear a decent suit, do up your tie and sing the national anthem" fantastic 😂😂😂

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

That comment sums up Labour and the extreme left ( one and the same under Jeremy Corbyn)They've have always hated the English. Before this board goes into meltdown , that's not just me saying that. The left wing Guardian newspaper acknowledge this too .

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/labour-left-miliband-hating-english

I find it sad and ironic that anyone who shows a whiff of pride in their English heritage and defends English values , is at risk of being called a little Englander

What are we to make of Sturgeon, Salmond and their anti english supporters , blackmailing the English with the threat of another referendum if the UK leaves the EU , ? I say to the SNP, have another referendum, wrap yourself in your flag and spout your nationalistic nonsense - you're nothing but bog eyed little Scotlanders

Even the whiff of a union with the toxic SNP at the last election was the last straw for many traditional english Labour voters. As I say I can only hope the In Campaign push the line of Sturgeon's pathetic/nonsensical disband the union threats so they can alienate even more English people who are tired of hearing about what that thoroughly objectionable hag and her xenophobic followers think.

[onlyonetugay]

"Wear a decent suit, do up your tie and sing the national anthem" fantastic

Hilarious, not comedy gold , classic comedy gold . That's the way to deal with hecklers from the back benches ( Labour this time )

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Just read that article. This is the absolute nail on the head and the reason why I find it so difficult associating with the left even though I agree with some of their political views.

"It could not because Labour’s leadership of former special advisers does not look like the people it wants to represent and does not look as if it likes the look of them either. In this, it is typical of the wider educated left in England, which almost alone in the world, makes a virtue of denigrating its own people.

The universities, left press, and the arts characterise the English middle-class as Mail-reading misers, who are sexist, racist and homophobic to boot. Meanwhile, they characterise the white working class as lardy Sun-reading slobs, who are, since you asked, also sexist, racist and homophobic. The national history is reduced to one long imperial crime, and the notion that the English are not such a bad bunch with many strong radical traditions worth preserving is rejected as risibly complacent. So tainted and untrustworthy are they that they must be told what they can say and how they should behave.

What truth there is in the caricature is lost amid the accompanying hypocrisy. The intellectual left deplores racism but uses “white” as an insult. It lambasts the sexism of the right, but stays silent as Labour candidates run meetings where Muslim women’s inferiority is confirmed by stewards who usher them into segregated seating."

[K-Hod]

I'd say most of that above straddles all supposed political stances, never mind just the left. All this blaming of the right and left is pointless anyway and solves nothing.

[onlyonetugay]

Just read that article. This is the absolute nail on the head and the reason why I find it so difficult associating with the left even though I agree with some of their political views.

"It could not because Labour’s leadership of former special advisers does not look like the people it wants to represent and does not look as if it likes the look of them either. In this, it is typical of the wider educated left in England, which almost alone in the world, makes a virtue of denigrating its own people.

The universities, left press, and the arts characterise the English middle-class as Mail-reading misers, who are sexist, racist and homophobic to boot. Meanwhile, they characterise the white working class as lardy Sun-reading slobs, who are, since you asked, also sexist, racist and homophobic. The national history is reduced to one long imperial crime, and the notion that the English are not such a bad bunch with many strong radical traditions worth preserving is rejected as risibly complacent. So tainted and untrustworthy are they that they must be told what they can say and how they should behave.

What truth there is in the caricature is lost amid the accompanying hypocrisy. The intellectual left deplores racism but uses “white” as an insult. It lambasts the sexism of the right, but stays silent as Labour candidates run meetings where Muslim women’s inferiority is confirmed by stewards who usher them into segregated seating."

The sentence in bold describes Emily Thornberry ( aka Lady Nugee ) , the current shadow defence secretary to a tee. The intellectual educated left wing snob who sneered at the house of a working class family with the St George's flag hanging outside

https://twitter.com/emilythornberry/status/535450556199075840

Labour, conning the white English working class for generations

[yoda]

No, tongue in cheek though it does amuse we have British expats and everyone else is a migrant. Strictly speaking the definition is correct but I think it's only the British who use the word. Anyway that's a minor aside.

I have thought about and mentioned the potential issues of EU exit for these people sometime ago. It seems to me it's questionable if permanent expatriates should have a vote in any UK election?

If the number eligible to vote is 11m then the expatriate vote at nearly 25% would be very significant. However there are 43m registered electors in the UK reducing the figure to 6% which is still significant and more so because I imagine these people are more likely to vote than UK residents. Presumably the majority will vote to stay in out of self-interest?

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pop-estimate/electoral-statistics-for-uk/2013/stb---2013-electoral-statistics.html

I'm assuming all registered electors have a referendum vote so I'm unsure where your 11m comes from. The generally accepted figure of British overseas residents, , is 2.5m and not 11m which is the unlikely but possible interpretation of your post.

Sorry typed the number wrong the 11 million was just the number then cons got at the last election, the 2.5 million is the number of official expats, which as you say is the correct description, I believe they could also be referred to as emigrants, not migrants. The number who voted in the last election was approx' 30 million. So the expats are about 8% of that figure, enough I would say that is enough to sway the vote one way or another. The rules say they are eligible to vote up to 15 years after officially leaving

Hilarious, not comedy gold , classic comedy gold . That's the way to deal with hecklers from the back benches ( Labour this time )

He also put the SNP on the spot with the new fiscal agreement, saying along the lines of ok you have got financial control now lets see what you do with it instead of whinging about it, the SNP will be like rabbits in the headlights. Scotland beware, you are now a one party state with no checks and balances !

[Baz]

I see Osborne has come a cropper again having to yet again revise his forecast down. His answer once again is to cut public spending, not reverse tax cuts for millionaires.

[jim mk2]

Osborne has been a complete failure as chancellor. In 2010 the great Gideon made a number of bold predictions about how his ideological austerity experiment would benefit the UK economy yet in every aspect, from eliminating the budget deficit, to reducing government debt, to his predcitions about the size of the economy, to the debt/gdp ratio, to credit rating, to earnings, he has failed. And this failure has come at a huge cost to the majority of British workers. But then what would you expect from a second-class degree modern history graduate?

[perthblue02]

Nice piece on Blair and Straws plan to open the flood gates

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html

Bet Blair and Straw would be horrified at this

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/asian-sex-abusers-to-be-stripped-of-uk-citizenship-and-deported-a6896051.html

[ABBEY]

So the Tories are mAking more spending cuts , more job losses and misery for families will follow , but everything is good because Syria will be given billions .

Stuff Syria look after the UK first and foremost !!!!