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[SIMON GARNERS 194]

NONE of that would help! Do you really think it would?

Don't let them back in? Kill them? They're willing to kill themselves, how does that help!

Monitor mosques? Most of the recruitment is done online. If any recruitment is done in mosques, they'll just move it.

Do you know what the great irony is? Everything you say there is similar to how ISIS run areas that they control in Iraq and Syria. Making us more like them is exactly what they want, and that's exactly what you have just suggested right there.

We should not be prepared to cow tow to terrorism,what do you suggest we do then... send them flowers and boxes of chocolates?

These people don't value human life,there is no place for their ilk in a civilized society.I do not care for them one iota.

[jim mk2]

One of the worrying things about these guys Steve is they don't seem to be weak minded at all. Lots of them are well educated , university standard young guys. As were the young men that flew the planes into the Twin Towers. How seemingly intelligent people with everything to live for can be manipulated into committing group suicide is a real puzzle. I heard today that the master minds behind all this target engineering degree students because they have the mental tools to carry out these missions. As an engineer myself I find that a bit worrying.

If you're thinking of launching a jihadist campaign might I suggest you start by taking a trip to the Pune area of India ?

[Baz]

If you're thinking of launching a jihadist campaign might I suggest you start by taking a trip to the Pune area of India ?

Or the dingle-dome.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

If you're thinking of launching a jihadist campaign might I suggest you start by taking a trip to the Pune area of India ?

Too late I'm afraid Jim.

[Beta Ray Bill]

On a more general note, if you've not seen it, the National Counter Terrorism Security Office (NaCTSO) has produced a video on how best to react if faced with marauding gun terrorists:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/stay-safe-film

it's worth promoting at your place of work or for general awareness.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

NONE of that would help! Do you really think it would?

Don't let them back in? Kill them? They're willing to kill themselves, how does that help!

Monitor mosques? Most of the recruitment is done online. If any recruitment is done in mosques, they'll just move it.

Do you know what the great irony is? Everything you say there is similar to how ISIS run areas that they control in Iraq and Syria. Making us more like them is exactly what they want, and that's exactly what you have just suggested right there.

That's a good point but what do we do then? Islamic extremism is on the rise, so what we have been doing, which pretty much amounts to nothing, isn't working.

At this point nobody on this board has been told they must change something fundamental about their lives and threatened with violence if they don't obey. But Christians, atheists and other minorities throughout the middle east, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Saharan and spreading into sub-Saharan Africa have.

This close our eyes, put our hands over our ears and only ever open them to slag off Donald Trump approach displays a total lack of empathy in my opinion to the hundreds of millions of people in the world under the cruel yoke of hardline (or maybe just conservative?) Islam.

Sooner or later there needs to be a unified pushing back. The 50% of Egypt that didn't want to be ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood didn't get them out by sitting around blaming themselves for provoking an Islamist surge, they got angry and got tough.

[Baz]

On a more general note, if you've not seen it, the National Counter Terrorism Security Office (NaCTSO) has produced a video on how best to react if faced with marauding gun terrorists:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/stay-safe-film

it's worth promoting at your place of work or for general awareness.

Ive drawn up a list of co-workers Im willing to sacrifice in descending order, as well. Always a good idea to plan ahead. (Possibly not a good idea to pin the list to the canteen noticeboard though).

[Baz]

That's a good point but what do we do then? Islamic extremism is on the rise, so what we have been doing, which pretty much amounts to nothing, isn't working.

At this point nobody on this board has been told they must change something fundamental about their lives and threatened with violence if they don't obey. But Christians, atheists and other minorities throughout the middle east, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Saharan and spreading into sub-Saharan Africa have.

This close our eyes, put our hands over our ears and only ever open them to slag off Donald Trump approach displays a total lack of empathy in my opinion to the hundreds of millions of people in the world under the cruel yoke of hardline (or maybe just conservative?) Islam.

Sooner or later there needs to be a unified pushing back. The 50% of Egypt that didn't want to be ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood didn't get them out by sitting around blaming themselves for provoking an Islamist surge, they got angry and got tough.

I don't think you just act tough on the outcome (the eventual terrorist), you need to focus far more on the reasons - the ideology, the manipulation, the money flow, the propoganda etc this foundation is the real strength of these people at this point in time.

On the other side, Muslims need to try and form a leadership, behind which they can unite and rightly discredit IS's deeds and whole ideology. Punishing one of the guys that was willing to sacrifice themselves, will not really bother the IS leadership (in fact they will attempt to use it as propaganda for their cause) being told they are not Islamic by the heads of Islam will.

[Steve Moss]

When did hanging (or other punishments by death plus stuff like medieval torture and loss of body parts) ever prevent crime? CCTV hasn't even prevented it! Where there's people there's crime though I don't believe those who commit acts of terrorism can be reformed. I prefer the more "civilised" outlook on punishments though wouldn't object to hanging if it was 100% certain guilt. Could be argued wrongful imprisonment is worse than a death sentence in some cases. Look at Stefan Kiszko who died shortly after his release. At least he lived long enough to see his name cleared and at no point would have preferred a death sentence. Though his Mother/solicitor would probably still have cleared his name had he died in prison.

It would prevent a repeat offense. And it would send a message to those half imbeciles that want to run off to join ISIS under the (correct) belief that they can come home if things get too difficult.

We're at war. We should start acting like it, and stop treating homegrown ISIS, etc. as a law and order issue.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Complex problems very rarely have simple solutions. I haven't got any answers other than what we in the UK are already doing.

[Al]

C'mon Al, you're better than that. This post either comes across as extremely paranoid (as you wouldn't know what he said of you didn't open it) or a bit of a desperate putdown attempt.

He's on ignore because he repeatedly questioned my criticising Chris Brown. If he's on ignore, he's on ignore, so I have no interest in his posts.

[VinjayV4]

It would prevent a repeat offense. And it would send a message to those half imbeciles that want to run off to join ISIS under the (correct) belief that they can come home if things get too difficult.

We're at war. We should start acting like it, and stop treating homegrown ISIS, etc. as a law and order issue.

Not if they are imprisoned for life (and don't escape) as terrorists almost certainly would be in this country. Could argue that imprisonment for life is a worse punishment and it certainly wouldn't be an attempt to reform criminals on that level.

I agree maximum force should be used against ISIS and all terrorists should feel the full extent of the law. I wouldn't even be completely opposed to the death penalty as long as it was 100% certain guilt.

The problem with the imbeciles who want to run off and join ISIS is exactly that.They ARE imbeciles. So such messages most likely won't get through to them.

[Steve Moss]

Not if they are imprisoned for life (and don't escape) as terrorists almost certainly would be in this country. Could argue that imprisonment for life is a worse punishment and it certainly wouldn't be an attempt to reform criminals on that level.

I agree maximum force should be used against ISIS and all terrorists should feel the full extent of the law. I wouldn't even be completely opposed to the death penalty as long as it was 100% certain guilt.

The problem with the imbeciles who want to run off and join ISIS is exactly that.They ARE imbeciles. So such messages most likely won't get through to them.

I would agree with you that under the old prison system, a life term was a horrible thing. Nowadays, however, it is three hots and a cot, access to internet, library, medical care, TV and, in some cases, conjugal visits.

I don't think a life term is particularly terrifying. And if the death penalty is no deterrent, then neither is a life sentence. Better to hang them and be done with it.

As to the imbeciles, you are correct. But it might begin to register with the only half-imbeciles. And we'd be removing them from the gene pool, so that's a plus.

[jim mk2]

There speaks a man who's never faced the prospect of being locked up in a cell every day of his life. The thought terrifies me, with or without home comforts. Your constant references to hanging is offensive Steve - especially to people who live in enlightened countries. The world is trying to move forwards, not backwards. Your medieval attitude is no better than Islamic extremists.

[Audax]

Some people say one makes martyrs of them, and ISIS and others, Saudi Arabia and Iran are into executing people, Iran still hangs them and sometimes not for the most serious of offenses. KSA beheads, they also behead a lot of terrorists; they helped build them up and they now, sort of combat them according to some.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

There speaks a man who's never faced the prospect of being locked up in a cell every day of his life. The thought terrifies me, with or without home comforts. Your constant references to hanging is offensive Steve - especially to people who live in enlightened countries. The world is trying to move forwards, not backwards. Your medieval attitude is no better than Islamic extremists.

Your massive anti-American xenophobia and the way you speak to anyone who disagrees with you is consistently offensive so that comment is frankly laughable.

[joey_big_nose]

We're at war. We should start acting like it, and stop treating homegrown ISIS, etc. as a law and order issue.

We are not at war. There is an ongoing terrorist threat which is being dealt with by the police and intelligence. In what way exactly would you describe the situation as being of a military nature?

[Steve Moss]

There speaks a man who's never faced the prospect of being locked up in a cell every day of his life. The thought terrifies me, with or without home comforts. Your constant references to hanging is offensive Steve - especially to people who live in enlightened countries. The world is trying to move forwards, not backwards. Your medieval attitude is no better than Islamic extremists.

It is clear to me now, Jim, that in your mind you are one of the "enlightened". You must feel very special.

We are not at war. There is an ongoing terrorist threat which is being dealt with by the police and intelligence. In what way exactly would you describe the situation as being of a military nature?

As a starting point, ISIS is in process of establishing a Caliphate. At the same time, it is sending hundreds of terrorists into Europe and the USA. I would say the situation is very military in nature.

[ABBEY]

Question for the terrorist sympathisers and do gooders on here.

The Beeb is reporting one of the Brussels bombers was deemed that dangerous by turkey that they issued a warning to Belgium .

Would you rather he be hung before he carried out the satanic murders or do you prefer innocents being blown up ?

Just like the one on the run who had Paris connections to building suicude jackets . Would you have preferred a shoot onsite law and stop him or would you prefer Paris to happen all over again?

[K-Hod]

I don't think anyone is sympathising with the terrorists Abbey, it's just people have differing views on capital punishment.

Anyhow, if that was the case, surely between them Turkey and Belgium could and should have apprehended the suspect prior to the bombings?

[ABBEY]

He is one of the silent army that marched. They should be stopped at any cost. Doesn't sound like"IF" the case .. Beeb and SKY reporting it .

[Dreyski]

Classic word twisting by the premier word twister:

Armed police on the street won't stop suicide bombers = Terrorist sympathiser 😂

[Dean]

There speaks a man who's never faced the prospect of being locked up in a cell every day of his life. The thought terrifies me, with or without home comforts. Your constant references to hanging is offensive Steve - especially to people who live in enlightened countries. The world is trying to move forwards, not backwards. Your medieval attitude is no better than Islamic extremists.

A note from one of the attackers:

"I am always on the move, I don’t know what to do, I’m being hunted everywhere and am no longer safe. If I go on like this will end up in a prison cell next to him.”

The thought of being in prison was enough to blow himself up. The death penalty would have made no difference!

Question for the terrorist sympathisers and do gooders on here.

The Beeb is reporting one of the Brussels bombers was deemed that dangerous by turkey that they issued a warning to Belgium .

Would you rather he be hung before he carried out the satanic murders or do you prefer innocents being blown up ?

There you go again, insulting people because you are too thick to understand the problem.

Everything you propose would exacerbate the problem and more innocent Westerners would die. You don't care more or want people to die less just because the only thing you can think to do is bang your chest and wave your stick.

Amazing how those who like to see themselves at more outraged than the rest of us are also the ones who want us to behave more like them.

[joey_big_nose]

Question for the terrorist sympathisers and do gooders on here.

Who exactly is sympathising with terrorists?

[yoda]

Classic word twisting by the premier word twister:

Armed police on the street won't stop suicide bombers = Terrorist sympathiser

What will stop them ?