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[JBiz]

Question for the terrorist sympathisers and do gooders on here.

The Beeb is reporting one of the Brussels bombers was deemed that dangerous by turkey that they issued a warning to Belgium .

Would you rather he be hung before he carried out the satanic murders or do you prefer innocents being blown up ?

Just like the one on the run who had Paris connections to building suicude jackets . Would you have preferred a shoot onsite law and stop him or would you prefer Paris to happen all over again?

Terrorist sympathisers?

Its like me saying "for all the racists on here, you know who you are - why can't you see past the red top agenda, and why is it more newsworthy when a "western" person is killed?

I don't see you talking about the Ankara explosion, or the police stopping the one outside the gaddafi stadium, but that doesn't make you a racist.

Terrorist sympathisers... Give me a break. The sole purpose of a terrorist, the very definition of the word- to install fear. The overreaction we see, the dominance on social media and the complete disregard for the victims over the perpetrators - all falls into the hands of those intent on "terrorising" others.

Why is it so hard to see?

What will stop them ?

Ignorance won't stop them, but mass hysteria will only encourage.

[ABBEY]

Terrorist sympathisers?

Its like me saying "for all the racists on here, you know who you are - why can't you see past the red top agenda, and why is it more newsworthy when a "western" person is killed?

I don't see you talking about the Ankara explosion, or the police stopping the one outside the gaddafi stadium, but that doesn't make you a racist.

Terrorist sympathisers... Give me a break. The sole purpose of a terrorist, the very definition of the word- to install fear. The overreaction we see, the dominance on social media and the complete disregard for the victims over the perpetrators - all falls into the hands of those intent on "terrorising" others.

Why is it so hard to see?

Ignorance won't stop them, but mass hysteria will only encourage.

You didn't see me talking about ankera or Istanbul because I hadn't posted on here do forgive me but I did on Facebook .

Overreaction? How many murders are required for it to make you react ?

[Dreyski]

What will stop them ?

A cup of tea and a slice of cake, if you believe everything you read here.

[Amo]

You're an enigma, Abbey.

You CONSTANTLY condemn 'Muricans for their gun culture, but you wanna tool up our police force.

Next thing you know, we'll have a load of trigger-happy cops shooting first, asking questions later, just like they do across the Pond.

[ABBEY]

TO BE HONEST TOPPERS I COULDNT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ON ANY TOPIC LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOUR HOLOCAUST DENIAL NEGATES ANYTHING CONCRETE YOU HAVE TO SAY.

[Amo]

I must have you on the ropes if that's the best you can come up with.

[ABBEY]

if you think the events in Brussels are about point scoring then you are a tad strange fella .

[Amo]

if you think the events in Brussels are about point scoring then you are a tad strange fella .

I'll treat you with the same respect you treat me. I made what I think was a reasonable point about your stance on guns, and you replied with an irrelevant ad hominem attack about the Holocaust.

By all means, take your ball and go home and let the adults talk.

[Steve Moss]

[Audax]

I wonder if people saw this new documentary that was just released on Saudi Arabia:

American ally Saudi Arabia soon to have government evils exposed in heartbreaking documentary

http://www.newstarget.com/2016-03-23-american-ally-saudi-arabia-soon-to-have-government-evils-exposed-in-heartbreaking-documentary.html

Random website pulled up, no endorsement to it or its contents.

[JBiz]

You didn't see me talking about ankera or Istanbul because I hadn't posted on here do forgive me but I did on Facebook .

Overreaction? How many murders are required for it to make you react ?

I don't really follow... You mean before I start murdering people in retaliation? Or before I start making innocent people feel unwelcome based on their religion or nationality? Or before I start posting my tabloid shaped views on Facebook to thunderous affect?

[ABBEY]

I'll treat you with the same respect you treat me. I made what I think was a reasonable point about your stance on guns, and you replied with an irrelevant ad hominem attack about the Holocaust.

By all means, take your ball and go home and let the adults talk.

[yoda]

A cup of tea and a slice of cake, if you believe everything you read here.

Terrorist sympathisers?

Its like me saying "for all the racists on here, you know who you are - why can't you see past the red top agenda, and why is it more newsworthy when a "western" person is killed?

I don't see you talking about the Ankara explosion, or the police stopping the one outside the gaddafi stadium, but that doesn't make you a racist.

Terrorist sympathisers... Give me a break. The sole purpose of a terrorist, the very definition of the word- to install fear. The overreaction we see, the dominance on social media and the complete disregard for the victims over the perpetrators - all falls into the hands of those intent on "terrorising" others.

Why is it so hard to see?

Ignorance won't stop them, but mass hysteria will only encourage.

Expected responses I suppose.

The usual suspects conveying ad infinitum how nothing will stop them and never offering up a course of action to end the problem.

Meanwhile another bomb goes off with victims bodies being torn apart with nails and bolts.

It's not what made this the greatest country on the planet is it.

Frankly I find that people who portray this cowardly, sit on hands, nothing can be done attitude abhorrent and not worthy of being labelled British

[ABBEY]

Where has yodas post gone ?

[ABBEY]

I don't really follow... You mean before I start murdering people in retaliation? Or before I start making innocent people feel unwelcome based on their religion or nationality? Or before I start posting my tabloid shaped views on Facebook to thunderous affect?

You've done a marvellous waffle again .

Another 2 questions ..seeing as my other one had no lefty with the balls to answer.

What would people do with 700 jihadists let back into Britain ? I'd hang every single one for treason .before they try and do something here

What would you do with gang in the news for plotting a drive by on soldiers ? Again they should swing for treason

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

'Overreaction' to these senseless and brutal massacres jbizzle?....Jesus wept!

Talk of 'overreaction' to the family's of the dead.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

I don't really follow... You mean before I start murdering people in retaliation? Or before I start making innocent people feel unwelcome based on their religion or nationality? Or before I start posting my tabloid shaped views on Facebook to thunderous affect?

First one is Reductio ad Absurdum. A reaction can be any number of productive efforts, if nothing else then the simple admission by the public in this country that there are serious, dangerous problems with Islam and they need confronting. That would put pressure on Islamic leaders/scholars/Imams to start confronting them, which is the only way this is ever going to be solved. The current stock reaction of criticise the reaction to the event and maintain a deathly silence on the actual event, is hugely obstructive to finding a solution.

And personally I'm sick of hearing that last one. Accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being brainwashed by "tabloid-shaped views" is a ridiculous argument, and very insulting. Your view and anyone who agrees with you is laboriously constructed, extensively researched and totally independent. Anyone who disagrees with you is a mindless drone who hears something and repeats it?

[ABBEY]

To be fair he's consistent ... Anyone says black he says white .

More awkward and argumentative than my two ex wives !

'Overreaction' to these senseless and brutal massacres jbizzle?....Jesus wept!

Talk of 'overreaction' to the family's of the dead.

Exactly . One death is bad enough but multiple and I'm overreacting

[Baz]

Question for the terrorist sympathisers and do gooders on here.

The Beeb is reporting one of the Brussels bombers was deemed that dangerous by turkey that they issued a warning to Belgium .

Would you rather he be hung before he carried out the satanic murders or do you prefer innocents being blown up ?

Just like the one on the run who had Paris connections to building suicude jackets . Would you have preferred a shoot onsite law and stop him or would you prefer Paris to happen all over again?

A) no one on here is a terrorist sympathiser

hang him, or let him carry on are not the only options. How about arresting him, and trying to get information from him? How about following him to find out who else is involved.

Im not against shoot to kill, if there is clear evidence that they are going to carry out an attack at that moment, and you cannot get them to stop, or if there is clear evidence that trying to approach them would endanger the lives of the police, or surrounding public, but if you just kill people that Turkey gives you a warning about, then you are giving IS an open door for propaganda.

It's just not as black and white as you are trying to make out.

[Audax]

Tunisia, a Muslim country, shut down a bunch of radical Mosques and that is in their own area of domination.

In the past, a terrorist attack would happen and we might think if it were Palestinians vs. Israelis (and I don't want to get into that conflict here), well, that is all the poor Palestinians have and they can still be brought to the negotiations table. But now, ISIS especially just seems to be doing this just to further their caliphate with no end in sight.

[VinjayV4]

First one is Reductio ad Absurdum. A reaction can be any number of productive efforts, if nothing else then the simple admission by the public in this country that there are serious, dangerous problems with Islam and they need confronting. That would put pressure on Islamic leaders/scholars/Imams to start confronting them, which is the only way this is ever going to be solved. The current stock reaction of criticise the reaction to the event and maintain a deathly silence on the actual event, is hugely obstructive to finding a solution.

And personally I'm sick of hearing that last one. Accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being brainwashed by "tabloid-shaped views" is a ridiculous argument, and very insulting. Your view and anyone who agrees with you is laboriously constructed, extensively researched and totally independent. Anyone who disagrees with you is a mindless drone who hears something and repeats it?

I know this comes across as insulting but I'm certain Abbey in particular is reflecting the "black and white" outlook of newspapers like the Sun. Really that's no different to a lot of people considering the circulation figures and most people would be strongly in favor of killing/life imprisoning terrorists. I agree with "shoot on sight" policies (and wouldn't object to the death penalty in cases of blatant guilt) but the "hang them all" talk is just typical Sun "frothing at the mouth" reaction. As I've said before how can you ever fully defeat these people and as mentioned the Police/agents seem to do an excellent job of discovering/preventing terroristic plots.

Here's an article about hysterical reactions to terrorism while certainly not ignoring its a serious issue.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/24/scariest-brussels-reactoin-paranoid-politicians-isis-atrocity-belgium

There's virtually no chance of being involved in a terrorist attack though I do have concerns about eventual nuclear terrorism. I can't remember how much attention I paid to the media as a kid but there are certain stories I remember. Obviously the Diana car crash was impossible to ignore considering the ludicrous level of coverage (I wasn't as cold and cynical then but I remember questioning the amount of coverage) and I was reminded of something by the 20th anniversary of the Dunblane shootings. I was old enough to understand what had happened and remember doors being secured (at my Primary School) and there was probably an intercom installed at the main entrance.

Really it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference. It would have been easy for someone to get onto the playground/field which really wasn't anymore secure at all. I knew that but I also knew what happened wasn't normal and that it was exceptionally unlikely to happen at my Primary school. Obviously that wasn't Islamic terrorism and was the reaction of one deranged person. Really nothing felt different at all (and it shouldn't have) but its one of my earliest memories of noticing fearful reactions to a horrendous act.

People feel like they have to do something of course (naturally since Hamilton killed himself and couldn't be punished most of the reaction was focused on banning handguns) and I certainly see retaking the ISIS "state" as achievable. Getting rid of people wanting to kill themselves...well that's another matter.

Admittedly I wouldn't go to parts of the Middle East (certainly not Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc) though that's also because there's nothing in places like China/India that particularly interests me. I've got no interest in temples (like on that Pune trip some people wasted their time on) or other ancient monuments and prefer western society. That's not because I think all people in the Middle East/Asia are terrorists I'm just fully westernised. Some reactions are "over the top" though. My Mum didn't want to go to Turkey on holiday due to the Turkish border (presumably my Sister suggested it though I'm not sure how close it would have been to that border) and will go to Gran Canaria instead. First time she's had a passport actually...very parochial . I'm not going with them because I've got limited interest in sitting on a beach and don't like stifling hot weather. New York is the next place I'm going abroad for sure.

[ABBEY]

The Sun ? whatever ...wouldnt wipe me arse on it.

[Audax]

But Abbey is a bit hard on guns too if I recall correctly; when a bad one happens in the US; so, to me, it's not like he is set firm in one ideology.

[VinjayV4]

The Sun ? whatever ...wouldnt wipe me arse on it.

Well OK but somehow I don't think you read the Times. (I don't either)

[yoda]

Well OK but somehow I don't think you read the Times. (I don't either)

Trying to put people in boxes like that is never a good ploy Vinjay