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[davulsukur]

It's good to see Whatsapp providing a terrorist messaging service

[K-Hod]

I suppose it's a trade off for being able to send silly gifs several times a day....

[AllRoverAsia]

I might go into work next week and speak to HR. Explaining that my taxes are a private matter and that I'm sending my wages to Panama. I'll let you know how I get on.....

To send just 1 £ or Dollar or whatever to anyone by conventional methods of transfer will quite soon require ITC under CRS, and I mean sending a few quid to your kids this week or similar - meanwhile real wealth goes elsewhere.............but the argument of the super rich is that there are loads with SFA so let those with a bit feel good about that. Age old stuff - divide and conquer just this time use a bob or two.

Basically we pay for their bank transfers - and I don't mean those with SFA.

[Baz]

To send just 1 £ or Dollar or whatever to anyone by conventional methods of transfer will quite soon require ITC under CRS, and I mean sending a few quid to your kids this week or similar - meanwhile real wealth goes elsewhere.............but the argument of the super rich is that there are loads with SFA so let those with a bit feel good about that. Age old stuff - divide and conquer just this time use a bob or two.

Basically we pay for their bank transfers - and I don't mean those with SFA.

WTF? too many acronyms for me.

[Al]

WTF? too many acronyms for me.

Me too. I hate initials. It's just lazy typing and makes posts hard to read. I haven't the patience and just ignore them.

(PL= Paul Lambert or maybe Premier League?)

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Me too. I hate initials. It's just lazy typing and makes posts hard to read. I haven't the patience and just ignore them.

(PL= Paul Lambert or maybe Premier League?)

I'm assuming you're aware you agreed with a post criticising acronyms that used an acronym.

Acronyms tend to be used in any situation where considerable time can be saved (the long word/expression is used a hell of a lot). The cast and crew on The Lord of the Rings called it Rings. Can you imagine using the whole 5 words every time anyone wanted to mention it? Or people saying they've forgotten their Personal Identification Number instead of their PIN? I bet you use at least 10 acronyms that you don't even realise.

[ultrablue]

FUNEM? S

FUNEX? 9

[Al]

I'm assuming you're aware you agreed with a post criticising acronyms that used an acronym.

Acronyms tend to be used in any situation where considerable time can be saved (the long word/expression is used a hell of a lot). The cast and crew on The Lord of the Rings called it Rings. Can you imagine using the whole 5 words every time anyone wanted to mention it? Or people saying they've forgotten their Personal Identification Number instead of their PIN? I bet you use at least 10 acronyms that you don't even realise.

There are acronyms and acronyms. I would not understand "Rings" for example, nor would many. However "PIN" has become a standard that everybody understands, mostly without knowing what it stands for. I still say it is lazy to use initials and makes posts hard to understand. Maybe I am lazy too because I just don't bother and ignore the posts.

[wolfie]

Me too. I hate initials. It's just lazy typing and makes posts hard to read. I haven't the patience and just ignore them.

(PL= Paul Lambert or maybe Premier League?)

STFU! Sorry, Couldn't resist

[Stuart]

FUNEM? S

FUNEX? 9

Genius.

No, not u U.B. these 2...

http://youtu.be/cc3M1nppd3c

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35988757

Brilliant to see this kind of statement. Its exactly what's needed (and in fact is the only thing that will work) to tackle Islamic extremism. And its what's been sorely missing in too many incidents over the last decade. As they rightly say, other Muslim leaders should be speaking out and its always been extremely concerning and revealing that they don't. But as I say its great to see and these groups should be supported and praised by all. The likes of them and Asad Shah are key to a progressive, tolerant future for humanity.

[JBiz]

Good to see that SKH I agree, it's not just those saying it - it's the actual press release hitting the headlines which makes the difference.

I think you'd find that 99% do speak out against the horrible acts, but the people clicking the links, buying the papers and discussing the news prefer horror to this kind of thing. Well done BBC.

What you make of the Panama scandal SKH? It's relevant to what we discussed the other day, independent runs a story that 62 people have nearly 50% of the worlds money!

[Gav]

Cameron should resign after Downing Street statements twice this week denied him or his family had a stake in his fathers off shore trust.

Today he tells the country he did have a stake.

Blatant lies from the Prime Minister, he should resign.

[Baz]

Cameron should resign after Downing Street statements twice this week denied him or his family had a stake in his fathers off shore trust.

Today he tells the country he did have a stake.

Blatant lies from the Prime Minister, he should resign.

Actually he hasnt lied, he's just done his usual of avoiding answering the question being asked all week.

He was left £300k by his father (interestingly his brother got property worth over 2m and his 2 sisters property of over 1m each), which he firstly referred to as 'some' money, and now confirmed he had a 'small' 30k of shares he had bought from his fathers company and sold before becoming PM. As much as he still isn't answering the question, it's obvious he has inherited money from his fathers offshore company, and is set to inherit a lot more once his mother passes too. Is he culpable for his fathers tax affairs? It's somewhat debatable, but because the press have for once actually continued their questions on this matter, he definitely has made the situation worse for himself.

It's about time this government where put under serious scrutiny, look at the reaction this week to Port Talbot, vs their attitude last week. That's only down to the way they are being portrayed in the media.

[Gav]

Downing Street has said all week he didn't benefit, tonight he gave a statement and said he did!

I wonder what Jimmy Carrs thinking tonight? Both Cameron and Osborne criticised Carr publicly for putting money off shore, I hope Carr hits back.

[Baz]

Downing Street has said all week he didn't benefit, tonight he gave a statement and said he did!

I wonder what Jimmy Carrs thinking tonight? Both Cameron and Osborne criticised Carr publicly for putting money off shore, I hope Carr hits back.

Cameron has back-tracked from 'its a private matter' to the current situation where he inherited money from his father (disclosed 4-5 years ago in his fathers will). Had he just said that to the press on day 1, this wouldn't even be a discussion now. The question he should be asked is would he accept money from his mothers estate, now he knows that the money has come from a morally repugnant source?

Is tax avoidance morally repugnant, yes of course it is, but money from inheritance was enough of a smokescreen to allow a Tory wriggle-room to get away with it, if he'd been open about it.Incidentally in the murky world of past inheritance, then a large amount of Sarah Camerons family wealth was based historically on the slave trade.

Regarding Jimmy Carr, well 2 wrongs don't make a right, but then again Carr is unlikely to worry about that.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

What you make of the Panama scandal SKH? It's relevant to what we discussed the other day, independent runs a story that 62 people have nearly 50% of the worlds money!

Outrageous and disgraceful. What do we do is the problem. The other week Sturgeon backed down on the 50p tax rate because she said it would drive the rich abroad and ultimately mean less tax being paid and less money to fund public services and other things that directly/indirectly benefit the poor. So even she, who I'd say is as far left as Corbyn, doesn't want to tackle the inequality gap.

In her statement about backing down, she said something like its only practical if other countries follow the same approach and then the rich have nowhere to run to and have to suck it up. Which makes sense except you'd never get the likes of Dubai, Singapore, Monaco etc to agree. There's always somewhere that will accept them with open arms.

Maybe we should just do it anyway on principle and take the financial hit, vote in an "extremist" party that will really sort it out. The financial inequality in this country, never mind the world, has regressed back to Victorian levels and its morally sickening. What do you think?

[Al]

Downing Street has said all week he didn't benefit, tonight he gave a statement and said he did!

I wonder what Jimmy Carrs thinking tonight? Both Cameron and Osborne criticised Carr publicly for putting money off shore, I hope Carr hits back.

Cameron said he did benefit from what is basically an offshore hedge fund, just like pension funds all over the world do, and he declared the profit on his tax return. It's hardly a hanging offence is it? Of course his socialist opponents will seize onto anything they can to discredit him simply because he is a conservative.

[K-Hod]

I don't know Al, Cameron/Osbourne have mentioned getting tough on tax havens et al several times then the PM finds himself implicated. Another joke from it was the offices HMRC use are rented from a company registered in a tax haven.....

[Al]

Outrageous and disgraceful. What do we do is the problem. The other week Sturgeon backed down on the 50p tax rate because she said it would drive the rich abroad and ultimately mean less tax being paid and less money to fund public services and other things that directly/indirectly benefit the poor. So even she, who I'd say is as far left as Corbyn, doesn't want to tackle the inequality gap.

In her statement about backing down, she said something like its only practical if other countries follow the same approach and then the rich have nowhere to run to and have to suck it up. Which makes sense except you'd never get the likes of Dubai, Singapore, Monaco etc to agree. There's always somewhere that will accept them with open arms.

Maybe we should just do it anyway on principle and take the financial hit, vote in an "extremist" party that will really sort it out. The financial inequality in this country, never mind the world, has regressed back to Victorian levels and its morally sickening. What do you think?

Yes maybe we should cut off our nose to spite our face. What is the point if it means we collect less tax? To do this would be primarily jealousy based as is most of socialist policy.

[K-Hod]

The answer shouldn't be that the wealthiest pay some of the least in taxes though, while for most of us 1/5 of our earnings goes to HMRC...

No jealousy from me, just a wish for everyone to play fair. I've no interest in socialism.

[Al]

I don't know Al, Cameron/Osbourne have mentioned getting tough on tax havens et al several times then the PM finds himself implicated. Another joke from it was the offices HMRC use are rented from a company registered in a tax haven.....

It was years ago. Well before he mentioned tax havens. Anyway he declared the profits in his tax return and presumably paid UK tax on them.

[JBiz]

Outrageous and disgraceful. What do we do is the problem. The other week Sturgeon backed down on the 50p tax rate because she said it would drive the rich abroad and ultimately mean less tax being paid and less money to fund public services and other things that directly/indirectly benefit the poor. So even she, who I'd say is as far left as Corbyn, doesn't want to tackle the inequality gap.

In her statement about backing down, she said something like its only practical if other countries follow the same approach and then the rich have nowhere to run to and have to suck it up. Which makes sense except you'd never get the likes of Dubai, Singapore, Monaco etc to agree. There's always somewhere that will accept them with open arms.

Maybe we should just do it anyway on principle and take the financial hit, vote in an "extremist" party that will really sort it out. The financial inequality in this country, never mind the world, has regressed back to Victorian levels and its morally sickening. What do you think?

Absolutely agree, and I hope something is done about it.

Watching BBCQT last night said a couple of things;

1. People are starting to get really bloody fed up with this government.

2. The way the rich abuse taxation systems is almost seen as "fair" in the eyes the most staunched conservatives.

[Al]

The answer shouldn't be that the wealthiest pay some of the least in taxes though, while for most of us 1/5 of our earnings goes to HMRC...

No jealousy from me, just a wish for everyone to play fair. I've no interest in socialism.

What can you do about it if you drive them abroad?

[K-Hod]

What can you do about it if you drive them abroad?

It shouldn't have to come to that though, successive governments have allowed this to happen for years. It simply should never have been allowed to happen.

I read an article about some of the wealthiest in New York offering to pay more in taxes as they could afford it. Could you ever imagine that happening in this country?