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[K-Hod]

Yeah but actually running the country (an actual tough job) isn't worth anything? Personally I think the PM's main salary is ludicrously low. Not by any means a Cameron fan but quality of life in this country isn't exactly bad is it?

Sorry but the phrase "sheep mentality" is particularly applicable as regards the Windsors. Unfortunately in this particular case it sadly covers a majority rather than a minority.

Guess you were all OK too when Venkys showed up for her but won't even communicate with us?

They haven't done a thing except get born with silver spoons in their mouths. Anyone would be willing to open a few fetes and attract tourism for that kind of money. Stop acting like we should all "bow down to their presence" and be "good, loyal subjects". I'm certainly no subject and there's no way in hell I would bow in front of them.

I know this is tasteless but hopefully they are likelier to be targeted by ISIS (or any of the other terrorism networks that still exist) than thousands of civilians including kids. Of course its not morally right that anyone should be a target but that's how I feel. Certainly not saying that I hope ISIS take them out so please don't twist my words.

Sadly it would probably cause more national outrage than the London Bombings if any of the popular "royals" were killed by terrorists. The Diana death got more coverage in this country than 9/11 how ridiculous is that?

Jesus Vinjay, take a chill pill for the love of God.

[VinjayV4]

You've already been knocked back on this Vinjay. Just shut up before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. You don't do yourself any favours do you?

Knocked back interpreted as Al (and as I acknowledged many others) do not agree so it must be wrong.

Jesus Vinjay, take a chill pill for the love of God.

Are we not allowed to hold strong beliefs? Not playing devils advocate for the sake of it that's exactly how I feel about them.

By the way don't ever single me out again while completely ignoring his personal insults. I'm not personally insulting people just disagreeing with them and in this case it goes far beyond this messageboard.

[Gav]

Tax avoidance isn't illegal, tax evasion is and the PM hasn't done that. If there is proof of that I would like to see it.

The gift is perfectly legal, and if Cameron's mother dies in the next two years then tax would have to be paid on that gift. There are millions of people across the country that gift to their children or grandchildren and they aren't all millionaires or have big lump sums. Inheritance Tax is an unfair tax in a lot of people's eyes (myself included) so fair play if the system allows some of the Inheritance to become exempt from tax.

People will believe whatever they want to believe on this issue but from a legal standpoint Cameron has done nothing wrong and no tax expert has said that he has. Morally you may have a problem with it, but those are the current rules. And let's be honest here most people if they can find a legal way to pay less tax will, it's just that that the rich are better at doing it.

If it comes out in the coming days that he has evaded paying tax then I will change my stance, until then he has done nothing wrong but make himself look shady by not coming out with the details sooner.

You're missing the point Ribble.

Cameron is the Prime Minister, he's the leader of the Tory party that have spent the past few years telling anyone and everyone that avoiding paying tax, illegally or legally is 'morally wrong'. He personally attached Jimmy Carr, but left Tory support Gary Barlow alone, in the media but was unable to have the same conversation with his own family!

In the main only the rich are able to put money off shore to avoid tax, your average man/woman in the street doesn't have access to such funds, yet the average man/woman in the street find themselves hammered with cuts to services, cuts for the disabled, cuts everywhere but people like Camerons dad and his mates are avoiding paying millions in tax that would help reduce those cuts.

Thats why legally avoiding tax when claiming to be tough on it means he should resign, hypocritical beyond belief and his arrogance over the whole affair is gob smacking, thinks he do whatever he wants and thats dangerous.

[K-Hod]

Knocked back interpreted as Al (and as I acknowledged many others) do not agree so it must be wrong.

Are we not allowed to hold strong beliefs? Not playing devils advocate for the sake of it that's exactly how I feel about them.

By the way don't ever single me out again while completely ignoring his personal insults. I'm not personally insulting people just disagreeing with them and in this case it goes far beyond this messageboard.

If something was worth taking action over, someone would have done so. Don't you dare tell me how to moderate.

[K-Hod]

I found this a good read- about people who left religions and their experiences :http://gu.com/p/4t62v?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Al]

If those gifts are from dirty money, to the Prime Minister who keeps saying he's tough of tax, then everything is wrong with it Al.

Not dirty money. It's his Mum and Dad's accumulated wealth. You don't know how much they made from other sources. Your just looking for a stick to beat Cameron with. Just like the rest of the jealous socialists.

[Gav]

Not dirty money. It's his Mum and Dad's accumulated wealth. You don't know how much they made from other sources. Your just looking for a stick to beat Cameron with. Just like the rest of the jealous socialists.

What I do know is his father had Milions in tax havens such as Panama to avoid paying income tax in this country.

If the current PM inherited money from such schemes, held stock of benefitted in anyway he should resign.

As for being jealous, come on Al you can do better than that.

[jim mk2]

Looking at the tax returns Cameron technically hasn't done anything wrong. The only thing I can question him on was his poor response in the first place that led to Labour and the anti-eu/anti Cameron right wing press (Mail, Telegraph) being able to surround him and keep this story going.

If it was Corbyn under the microscope the Conservatives would be doing the same so I don't have a problem with them trying to keep this story going. They need to be aware though that there is a very good chance that Labour MP's or peers may be involved in this huge documentation leak and that if you throw a load of @#/? around chances are you might get caught yourselves by some of it. There is already talk of Tony Benn's estate and what happened on the tax avoidance front.

The protesters, well the Socialist Workers party organised that hence all those banners. They have been calling for Cameron to resign ever since he took office. Nothing he ever does will be right to them, introducing a living wage and taking millions out of tax altogether and they still want him gone.

£300,000 inheritance from his tax-avoiding father plus a further gift of £200,000 from his mother, and £30,000 stashed away in an offshore trust.

Do you wonder why he is known as Dodgy Dave?

Yes, we're all in this together.

Tax avoidance isn't illegal, tax evasion is and the PM hasn't done that. If there is proof of that I would like to see it.

The gift is perfectly legal, and if Cameron's mother dies in the next two years then tax would have to be paid on that gift. There are millions of people across the country that gift to their children or grandchildren and they aren't all millionaires or have big lump sums. Inheritance Tax is an unfair tax in a lot of people's eyes (myself included) so fair play if the system allows some of the Inheritance to become exempt from tax.

People will believe whatever they want to believe on this issue but from a legal standpoint Cameron has done nothing wrong and no tax expert has said that he has. Morally you may have a problem with it, but those are the current rules. And let's be honest here most people if they can find a legal way to pay less tax will, it's just that that the rich are better at doing it.

If it comes out in the coming days that he has evaded paying tax then I will change my stance, until then he has done nothing wrong but make himself look shady by not coming out with the details sooner.

Rich people have the choice; your average man in the street who struggles to put food on the family table doesn't.

Yet the Conservatives claim to be the "People's Party".

They are an insult to anyone's intelligence.

[Al]

What I do know is his father had Milions in tax havens such as Panama to avoid paying income tax in this country.

If the current PM inherited money from such schemes, held stock of benefitted in anyway he should resign.

As for being jealous, come on Al you can do better than that.

Would you refuse an inheritance from your parents?

In any case he sold what was in Panama nearly 6 years ago. As I said you and your fellow socialists are just looking for a stick to beat the hated Tory leader with. All socialism and moaning that money is not taken from the people who accumulated money legally is based on jealousy.

Might I remind you that tax avoidance is not illegal and a few years ago nobody moaned about it. It was accepted as common sense.

[Gav]

I'm not fighting a 'crusade' against tax dodging and avoidance Al, Mr Cameron and his government are!

Big difference surely.

He wrote to EU leaders in 2013 to act on tax avoidance and his bleedin family is rife with it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22620615

[jim mk2]

Would you refuse an inheritance from your parents?

In any case he sold what was in Panama nearly 6 years ago. As I said you and your fellow socialists are just looking for a stick to beat the hated Tory leader with. All socialism and moaning that money is not taken from the people who accumulated money legally is based on jealousy.

Might I remind you that tax avoidance is not illegal and a few years ago nobody moaned about it. It was accepted as common sense.

Some years ago Cameron called out Jimmy Carr for his use of offshore trusts yet it turns out his father had been using them for years to hide family money.

The irony is even the right wing press and Tory Eurosceptic MPs are using this tax affair as a stick to beat him with because he is standing up for their hated EU.

Cameron is a hypocrit, and either way he looks doomed as PM.

[Husky]

How many of you guys voted for Cameron?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Some years ago Cameron called out Jimmy Carr for his use of offshore trusts yet it turns out his father had been using them for years to hide family money.

The irony is even the right wing press and Tory Eurosceptic MPs are using this tax affair as a stick to beat him with because he is standing up for their hated EU.

Cameron is a hypocrit, and either way he looks doomed as PM.

He is only doomed if he loses the referendum. He will carry on for a few years yet if he wins that and then bow out as he has already said he won't serve a third term.

If he wins the referendum he is going to have to carry out a purge, Gove should be safe but some of the others will have to go.

Husky I voted Conservative at the last election but would have been open to another Con/Lib Dem coalition. The numbers weren't there for Labour to win, they would have been propped up by the dangerous SNP.

[jim mk2]

All this tax stuff is very damaging for Cameron. His credibility portraying the Tories as a "party of the people" is shot to pieces and exposed for what it is - a barefaced lie and con trick.

There could be some good come out of this tax stuff though - hopefully it will add to momentum for tax clampdowns on wealthy individuals and corporations all over the globe.

Cameron could make a start by declaring the BVI, Cayman Islands and other former colonies no longer have tax haven status.

[Paul]

Assets are not considered in qualifying for the state pension, only qualifying years i.e. how many years you contributed towards the state pension.

In my case it is a minimum 30 qualifying years of contributions means I have qualified for the state pension as I have currently 33 years.

Paul, if you receive the state pension and have a private pension income as well, the 2 amounts are added together in assessing your tax liability less your tax allowance, so in effect the state pension is considered as income.

Really? Well you do surprise me I couldn't have worked that out for myself.

The point which some, like Al, are not able to comprehend is this. The state pension is a benefit to which all who have sufficient qualifying years of NI contributions are entitled. Throughout our working lives we pay NI which supports those of pensionable age, and a few other benefits, once we reach retirement it's our turn to benefit from the NI others pay. It's something we should be very proud of. It had though got nothing to do with creating a pension pot. The NI we pay today is spent tomorrow.

At no point does the money an individual pays in NI contribute to that persons state pension.

As the state pension is below the tax threshold no tax is due. However if one has other sources of contributory, note that word, pension one will have received significant tax breaks - tax relief at source on contributions, 25% tax free lump sum, capital growth on the tax relief, no tax on the income between the state pension and the tax threshold plus a larger pension pot a a result of the tax relief.

It is this additional pension that takes one above the threshold and hence incurs some tax on what was a very good deal in the first place.

[Gav]

The Cameron family are guilty of avoiding tax, sums that are more than some people will ever earn in a lifetime, how anyone can defend the man who claims to be tough of tax avoidance is quite frankly bonkers when his family are probably still doing it and have definitely done it in the past.

This isn't about politics, its about decency and hypocrisy, Cameron thinks he can get away with it and listening to some of you he can!

It right p1sses me off, as you can tell, same with the expenses scandal, Labours Simon Danczuk was still fiddling his expenses until recently, if they're never held to account they'll continue to lie, fiddle and profit whilst the poor and disabled suffer.

[Paul]

Try to twist it any way you want Paul but I pay tax on my state pension. You may call the state pension a benefit if you wish but as far as I am concerned it was bought and paid for during my working life, just as presumably you are currently paying into the coffers for yours when you retire.

I'm twisting nothing Al. Look it up. No one said you claimed a benefit it's a benefit everyone who has the qualifying years is entitled to.

https://www.gov.uk/national-insurance/what-national-insurance-is-for

You may think it is something else but clearly the governments of many decades do not.

[yoda]

Posted Today, 07:21 PM

yoda, on 09 Apr 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:

Assets are not considered in qualifying for the state pension, only qualifying years i.e. how many years you contributed towards the state pension.
In my case it is a minimum 30 qualifying years of contributions means I have qualified for the state pension as I have currently 33 years.

Paul, if you receive the state pension and have a private pension income as well, the 2 amounts are added together in assessing your tax liability less your tax allowance, so in effect the state pension is considered as income.

Really? Well you do surprise me I couldn't have worked that out for myself.

The point which some, like Al, are not able to comprehend is this. The state pension is a benefit to which all who have sufficient qualifying years of NI contributions are entitled. Throughout our working lives we pay NI which supports those of pensionable age, and a few other benefits, once we reach retirement it's our turn to benefit from the NI others pay. It's something we should be very proud of. It had though got nothing to do with creating a pension pot. The NI we pay today is spent tomorrow.

At no point does the money an individual pays in NI contribute to that persons state pension.

As the state pension is below the tax threshold no tax is due. However if one has other sources of contributory, note that word, pension one will have received significant tax breaks - tax relief at source on contributions, 25% tax free lump sum, capital growth on the tax relief, no tax on the income between the state pension and the tax threshold plus a larger pension pot a a result of the tax relief.

It is this additional pension that takes one above the threshold and hence incurs some tax on what was a very good deal in the first place.

Wind yer neck in Paul, I never mentioned NI contributions,

State pensions and other incomes are added together to determine your tax liability and you know it

[Steve Moss]

We are never going to agree on anything, possible exception of travellers. I repeat, you can't stop people going abroad where there hard earned money has less taxed from it. I feel no moral responsibility to dole dossers. I've paid at least my fair share of tax and NI in my working life and am still paying tax on my pensions (which I consider to be morally wrong) but I'm not prepared to emigrate to stop paying it. Others might see it differently.

I agree. The issue is to get as much as we can for the working poor and common infrastructure, without losing the wealthy.

The wealth gap needs to be addressed. I'm not sure tax schemes are the way to do it.

I think it shows that they could pay a lot more actually, would it not be good to get the percentage up to say 60% ?

Except they won't pay. They'll avoid and/or move abroad.

Off the cuff, a solution:

1. A low enough income tax that the wealthy desire to keep their earnings in country.

2. An education and jobs environment that reward work with upward income mobility.

3. A significant estate tax that prevents the accumulation of massive estates over generations which are shielded from tax.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

One thing I found odd when I carried on working after my 65 th birthday was that I no longer had to pay National Insurance contributions on my earnings. Why not ?

I claimed benefits for four weeks in 50 years and a bit of working. I consider myself really lucky in that.

[Al]

I'm not fighting a 'crusade' against tax dodging and avoidance Al, Mr Cameron and his government are!

Big difference surely.

He wrote to EU leaders in 2013 to act on tax avoidance and his bleedin family years ago was is rife with it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22620615

Corrected for you GAV

[Al]

Really? Well you do surprise me I couldn't have worked that out for myself.

The point which some, like Al, are not able to comprehend is this. The state pension is a benefit to which all who have sufficient qualifying years of NI contributions are entitled. Throughout our working lives we pay NI which supports those of pensionable age, and a few other benefits, once we reach retirement it's our turn to benefit from the NI others pay. It's something we should be very proud of. It had though got nothing to do with creating a pension pot. The NI we pay today is spent tomorrow.

At no point does the money an individual pays in NI contribute to that persons state pension.

As the state pension is below the tax threshold no tax is due. However if one has other sources of contributory, note that word, pension one will have received significant tax breaks - tax relief at source on contributions, 25% tax free lump sum, capital growth on the tax relief, no tax on the income between the state pension and the tax threshold plus a larger pension pot a a result of the tax relief.

It is this additional pension that takes one above the threshold and hence incurs some tax on what was a very good deal in the first place.

Why can Paul not comprehend that I paid for my state pension, just like my private pension during my working life and it is a right not a gift. It is also taxed just like any other income. Another thing that Paul does not (want to) comprehend.

[yoda]

Maybe Paul has a tax dodge that takes his pension out of the tax liability calculation!

Time to publish your tax returns Paul?

[Norbert Rassragr]

I heard that a Scottish newspaper has published the names of the 'celebrity couple' who took out a super injunction over one of them having a threesome. So in short, everyone outside England and Wales has access to information suppressed by a super injunction yet those in England and Wales are denied this. English/Welsh newspaper and internet sources are not even allowed to say which Scottish newspaper published the story.

It is worrying when you think what more nefarious deeds can be covered up by super injunctions 'the right to forget' etc. if you're rich and/or have the right contacts.

[Mike E]

I heard that a Scottish newspaper has published the names of the 'celebrity couple' who took out a super injunction over one of them having a threesome. So in short, everyone outside England and Wales has access to information suppressed by a super injunction yet those in England and Wales are denied this. English/Welsh newspaper and internet sources are not even allowed to say which Scottish newspaper published the story.

It is worrying when you think what more nefarious deeds can be covered up by super injunctions 'the right to forget' etc. if you're rich and/or have the right contacts.

Stupidly, if there was an educated guessing game on here and one happened to guess correctly, you would be committing a crime.

For it to be front page news in Yankeeland it must be a well-known British couple, apparently with 'family values'. My guess is either Beckham or Rooney. If Cashley were still on Cheryl's arm, I'd guess him too.