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[Paul]

Why can Paul not comprehend that I paid for my state pension, just like my private pension during my working life and it is a right not a gift. It is also taxed just like any other income. Another thing that Paul does not (want to) comprehend.

Nobody said it was a gift, it's a benefit everyone with the qualifying contributions in entitled to.

You actually paid for people who were retired at the time as NI is not a pension pot. It's collected today and paid out tomorrow.

If you had truly paid for it you would only receive a pension pro rata to the amount you paid in. as NI has steadily increased if it was paid for on the basis of the actual contributions some would receive higher and others lower pensions.

As it is we are very fortunate the people in work at the time take on the full cost of the current state pension. This is now harsh on younger generations as they support you, and shortly me, at a better rate than they will receive at a greater age.

[Biddy]

Stupidly, if there was an educated guessing game on here and one happened to guess correctly, you would be committing a crime.

For it to be front page news in Yankeeland it must be a well-known British couple, apparently with 'family values'. My guess is either Beckham or Rooney. If Cashley were still on Cheryl's arm, I'd guess him too.

See post 1982 in this very thread for a VERY big hint.

[Paul]

Maybe Paul has a tax dodge that takes his pension out of the tax liability calculation!

Time to publish your tax returns Paul?

No but I am working on minimising the tax I pay on my private pensions.

Looking at the main point of this I can't help but feel Cameron is getting uneccesary grief over this. From what I read in the papers his tax looks pretty clear and he's quite entitled to receive gifts from his mother. I thought it was called tax planning.

Whether or not it's morally acceptable is a different discussion. Where Cameron went wrong was not coming clean initially and now he's being judged as both guilty and untrustworthy. I think it questions his judgement, he must have known the media and his political opponents would come after him.

The principle behind taxation needs addressing but surely we have far more important things to concern us than Cameton's tax now that he has published his returns, or at least a summary.

[Gav]

See post 1982 in this very thread for a VERY big hint.

This post is 1979, time travel the latest thing in Bolsover?

[Biddy]

This post is 1979, time travel the latest thing in Bolsover?

Ah, that is because my view has all the hidden posts numbered as well. darn it. OK, it's a couple of pages back

http://www.brfcc.com/mb/index.php/topic/30576-extra-extra-read-all-about-it/?p=1634499

[Gav]

No but I am working on minimising the tax I pay on my private pensions.

Looking at the main point of this I can't help but feel Cameron is getting uneccesary grief over this. From what I read in the papers his tax looks pretty clear and he's quite entitled to receive gifts from his mother. I thought it was called tax planning.

Whether or not it's morally acceptable is a different discussion. Where Cameron went wrong was not coming clean initially and now he's being judged as both guilty and untrustworthy. I think it questions his judgement, he must have known the media and his political opponents would come after him.

The principle behind taxation needs addressing but surely we have far more important things to concern us than Cameton's tax now that he has published his returns, or at least a summary.

What wrong is Cameron publicly hammering the likes of Jimmy Carr, calling them "morally wrong", supposedly being tough on tax avoidance, yet his family have been doing it for years and probably still are.

His government are cutting services all over the place, if people like Camerons dad actually paid the right tax maybe we'd be saving some front line services or giving the disabled a break!

[VinjayV4]

Just saw Republic UK tweet about the "Royal Tourism" myth and here's their take on it.

https://republic.org.uk/what-we-want/monarchy-myth-buster/its-good-tourism

Republic reported "Andrew" to the police for criminal damage last month. Of course no action was taken. Above the law, above reproach.

https://republic.org.uk/what-we-do/news-and-updates/prince-andrew-reported-police-criminal-damage

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3496876/Prince-Andrew-WON-T-investigated-police-ramming-park-gates-80-000-Range-Rover.html

What wrong is Cameron publicly hammering the likes of Jimmy Carr, calling them "morally wrong", supposedly being tough on tax avoidance, yet his family have been doing it for years and probably still are.

His government are cutting services all over the place, if people like Camerons dad actually paid the right tax maybe we'd be saving some front line services or giving the disabled a break!

Shame they haven't started with the Windsors.

[Biddy]

Of course they might have a slightly one sided view of things.

Also, they quote that other attractions get more visitors. This is only known about because they pay and entry fee to physically enter. Certain places like Windsor castle do have a tour thus can be compared however a LOT of people just go to have a look around Windsor and look at the outside as a curiosity (as I did once). Palaces like Buckingham don't allow visitors but always have a vast amount of people purposefully going to have a look.

To say they don't generate tourism is a complete nonsense. They certainly are a contributing factor for one of many things people would choose to go and see whilst in the country.

[VinjayV4]

Of course they might have a slightly one sided view of things.

Also, they quote that other attractions get more visitors. This is only known about because they pay and entry fee to physically enter. Certain places like Windsor castle do have a tour thus can be compared however a LOT of people just go to have a look around Windsor and look at the outside as a curiosity (as I did once). Palaces like Buckingham don't allow visitors but always have a vast amount of people purposefully going to have a look.

To say they don't generate tourism is a complete nonsense. They certainly are a contributing factor for one of many things people would choose to go and see whilst in the country.

Well at least its the right side.

This question in particular sums it up...

But, even if the claim were true, do we really want the whims of visiting tourists to determine what kind of political system we have?

[adopted scouser]

Stupidly, if there was an educated guessing game on here and one happened to guess correctly, you would be committing a crime.

For it to be front page news in Yankeeland it must be a well-known British couple, apparently with 'family values'. My guess is either Beckham or Rooney. If Cashley were still on Cheryl's arm, I'd guess him too.

It's a ludicrous situation, everybody knows who it is.

The best way to get yourself talked about is to tell people not to talk about it.

If they had kept quiet it would have been yesterday's news, fish and chip paper.

[yoda]

No but I am working on minimising the tax I pay on my private pensions.

Looking at the main point of this I can't help but feel Cameron is getting uneccesary grief over this. From what I read in the papers his tax looks pretty clear and he's quite entitled to receive gifts from his mother. I thought it was called tax planning.

Whether or not it's morally acceptable is a different discussion. Where Cameron went wrong was not coming clean initially and now he's being judged as both guilty and untrustworthy. I think it questions his judgement, he must have known the media and his political opponents would come after him.

The principle behind taxation needs addressing but surely we have far more important things to concern us than Cameton's tax now that he has published his returns, or at least a summary.

I can see Labour coming unstuck on this when the Tories find info on the well off Labour camp members as they surely will in the coming weeks/months.

It's not like Labour did anything to address the situation while they were in power.

Maybe there should be a cap on how much wealth an individual can actually keep.

[Baz]

What wrong is Cameron publicly hammering the likes of Jimmy Carr, calling them "morally wrong", supposedly being tough on tax avoidance, yet his family have been doing it for years and probably still are.

His government are cutting services all over the place, if people like Camerons dad actually paid the right tax maybe we'd be saving some front line services or giving the disabled a break!

It really depends on whether Camerons scheme is/was a legitimate business venture that was done offshore which was operating offshore to avoid tax (morally wrong), or a scheme like Carrs where there was no actual business, just an aggressive tax avoidance scheme (worse). I don't know the answer to that.

I'm no supporter of Cameron, but it seems to me that this episode is being stirred up by the Brexit media as much as the left wing. I'd sooner have a lame duck Cameron, than Boris or Osborne, not that it's a decent choice to be honest. The pro-Brexit Bermudian registered Daily Mail, whos owner has lived in the uk his entire life, but is a non-dom for tax purposes as his father was french, seems decidedly anti Cameron on this matter. If we are going to ensure MPs declare their taxation records, then we should insist on the same for our media too.

[perthblue02]

Thought Dennis Skinner had retired, what a great way to find out he's still being a thorn in peoples side

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36017171

[jim mk2]

I can see Labour coming unstuck on this when the Tories find info on the well off Labour camp members as they surely will in the coming weeks/months.

It's not like Labour did anything to address the situation while they were in power.

Maybe there should be a cap on how much wealth an individual can actually keep.

Like many things, it wasn't a problem when Labour in power.

Tory MPs have been all over the TV today lambasting the proposal to force MPs to publish their tax returns.

Presumably they have the most to be fearful about.

[Biddy]

Thought Dennis Skinner had retired, what a great way to find out he's still being a thorn in peoples side

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36017171

Wow, representing my area well making pathetic schoolboy jibes and being kicked out like a naughty boy. Well worth my tax money.

[Al]

Nobody said it was a gift, it's a benefit everyone with the qualifying contributions in entitled to.

You actually paid for people who were retired at the time as NI is not a pension pot. It's collected today and paid out tomorrow.

If you had truly paid for it you would only receive a pension pro rata to the amount you paid in. as NI has steadily increased if it was paid for on the basis of the actual contributions some would receive higher and others lower pensions.

As it is we are very fortunate the people in work at the time take on the full cost of the current state pension. This is now harsh on younger generations as they support you, and shortly me, at a better rate than they will receive at a greater age.

Paul. I actually do receive a higher pension due to the contributions I made as many people of my age do. People retiring after 6th April 2016 will receive a flat rate pension but that does not apply to me.

[yoda]

Like many things, it wasn't a problem when Labour in power.

Tory MPs have been all over the TV today lambasting the proposal to force MPs to publish their tax returns.

Presumably they have the most to be fearful about.

[adopted scouser]

Thought Dennis Skinner had retired, what a great way to find out he's still being a thorn in peoples side

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36017171

Skinner is a crass dullard. Ordered out of the house, think he's a little senile.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Talking about Council Service cut backs..what has happened to the refuse collection in Blackburn?

Has anyone seen the state of the Ewood Gypsy camp at Ewood...it's one massive rubbish tip,an absolute fookin disgrace.They have spent Millions on a fancy one way system through Ewood only for it to be blighted by a shyte tip.

Lived in the Ewood area for a large part of my life and NEVER seen it as bad as at present.

[perthblue02]

Skinner is a crass dullard. Ordered out of the house, think he's a little senile.

Cameron shared your view, referring to his age http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-refers-to-83-year-old-labour-mp-dennis-skinner-as-jurassic-park-10358556.html to me that is more crass

Although never voted for Labour in my life have a lot of time for people like Skinner, not afraid to lose their cushy number if push came to shove, . Certainly brought Cameron's activities to a wider audience judging by social media and the news clip which is trending worldwide.

As for tax money well spent, doesn't he have a fantastic record for appearing at sittings in the house of commons? certainly more value for tax money than many many others.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

My god they behave like juvenile pr**** in the house of commons don't they. The lot of them, its pathetic. A debate about tax and none seem to realise the colossal waste of taxpayers money having hundreds of MPs, their aides, security etc being paid to prat or wait around for a minute at a time whilst the speaker has to say "order" about 15 times.

They seem to treat it as a break in their working day where they can let off steam and arse around. I'd say its like school kids but its worse behaved and more childish than most kids I've seen. If they wanna shout, jeer, laugh, go "ooo!" I suggest they quit their jobs and sit in a Jeremy Kyle audience every week day.

[Baz]

Alan Duncans comments today where appalling:

“Shouldn’t the Prime Minister’s critics really just snap out of their synthetic indignation and admit that their real point is that they hate anyone who’s even got a hint of wealth in their life? May I support the Prime Minister in fending off those who are attacking him, particularly in thinking of this place? Because if he doesn’t, we risk seeing a House of Commons which is stuffed full of low achievers, who hate enterprise, hate people who look after their own family and who know absolute nothing about the outside world.”

[jim mk2]

What do you expect from a member of the Conservative party?

[Gav]

Thought Dennis Skinner had retired, what a great way to find out he's still being a thorn in peoples side

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36017171

It's just a pity we don't have more politicians like Dennis Skinner, tells it as it is, a man of principle.

Cameron is a dodgy swine and now he's been told, no beating about the bush, your dodgy Dave and you looked like you wanted the floor to swollow you up.

We could do with a few Skinner esq Rovers fans to tell these idiots from Pune how it is, instead of hiding behind excuse after excuse.

Skinner is a crass dullard. Ordered out of the house, think he's a little senile.

Man of principle, we could do with more of his ilk.

[JBiz]

Duncan's comments are abhorrent. Imagine if he represented you?