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[Audax]

Al's right, Khan sharing the podium with anti-Semites of the most extreme nature will in the long run, show a mistake the people will wish to correct.

[Al]

If you're pushing up the daisies in 2 years Al (which I hope you're not of course) that's Labour back in government at the next election. A pleasant thought.

Politics changes quickly and nothing lasts forever - even the hated Tories have come back from the dead in Scotland. The SNP has probably hit a peak and it may well be all downhill from here.

You are delusional Jim. No chance of a Labour Government in the next election without the Scottish vote and SNP look strong. The English have more sense. Mind you I would gladly see a closer fight if it meant the demise of the SNP.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

The London mayor looks like being labour, this after the Tories ran a campaign on racism and tried to deflect with the antisemitism stuff, fluffed your lines Mr Crosby.

That's the line now is it? Labour don't actually have an anti-semitism problem, the Tories made it all up. Lets sweep it under the rug just like we do with sexist segregation of Muslim women in some Labour meetings, and just like we do with the dangerous party members who jumped on the Corbyn bandwagon and then started sending death threats to Labour MPs.

Nice to know the approach to solving these problems is to deny they even exist.

[ABBEY]

Silly question from me .. How much actual power does the mayor of London have ?

[Gav]

That's the line now is it? Labour don't actually have an anti-semitism problem, the Tories made it all up. Lets sweep it under the rug just like we do with sexist segregation of Muslim women in some Labour meetings, and just like we do with the dangerous party members who jumped on the Corbyn bandwagon and then started sending death threats to Labour MPs.

Nice to know the approach to solving these problems is to deny they even exist.

It clearly does hence the suspension of Naz Khan for comments made in 2014, its 2016 now by the way and this has just been brought up by the Tories in the house of commons FFS! in the run up to the mayor elections/council elections.

There's a fine line between disagreeing with Israeli policy in the middle east and being anti-Semitic. I disagree with sending bulldozers into the occupied territories and just bulldozing peoples homes, does that make me anti-Semitic? in some peoples eyes, yes it does!

The Tories wanted the mayoral vote so badly and it shows, the campaign run by Crosby/Goldsmith did things like mailshot Hindus and Sikhs superficially about Khan’s plans to tax gold worn at weddings, clearly seeking to divide Londoners along religious and ethnic lines?

Good article here, have a read, you might learn something:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/30/battle-london-mayor-dirtiest-fight-zac-goldsmith-sadiq-khan

Boris Johnsons part-Kenyan Obama comment anyone? was thats brought up at the dispatch box?

The worst thing you can do is call a fiercely anti racists party racist, its political tactics, nothing more.

[Al]

Can't be arsed reading through that article from the left wing Guardian. You obviously have stronger political opinions than I do GAV if you have that much patience. It's sufficient for me that the right party are running the country and that I have a vote to kick Europe into touch in June.

It does seem to me though that voting for a Muslim in London does little for the anti Semitism problem that the Socialists have at the moment. Having said that I believe that it is a storm in a teacup that has been allowed to get out of hand. Very badly handled by Labour.

[jim mk2]

Can't be arsed reading through that article from the left wing Guardian. You obviously have stronger political opinions than I do GAV if you have that much patience. It's sufficient for me that the right party are running the country and that I have a vote to kick Europe into touch in June.

It does seem to me though that voting for a Muslim in London does little for the anti Semitism problem that the Socialists have at the moment. Having said that I believe that it is a storm in a teacup that has been allowed to get out of hand. Very badly handled by Labour.

You can't be arsed so you don't know anything. Ignorance is bliss.

Is this article too long for you ? Be warned though, it contains words of more than one syllable so you might struggle.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-conservative-u-turns-policies-david-cameron-benefit-cuts-junior-doctors-academies-a7018276.html

[Mike E]

Can't be arsed reading through that article from the left wing Guardian. You obviously have stronger political opinions than I do GAV if you have that much patience. It's sufficient for me that the right party are running the country and that I have a vote to kick Europe into touch in June.

It does seem to me though that voting for a Muslim in London does little for the anti Semitism problem that the Socialists have at the moment. Having said that I believe that it is a storm in a teacup that has been allowed to get out of hand. Very badly handled by Labour.

I don't believe the Tories are 'the right party'. The party of a man with a sadly passed disabled son goes about indirectly killing disabled people by labelling them 'scroungers'. I have one friend who has had suicidal thoughts after being denied money he was previously entitled to. There are many who have sadly chosen to take their own lives because of the way these cuts have been driven, yet Mr. Cameron won't be held accountable. Instead he'll pick on Corbyn for wearing beige. Hilarious, Dave.

The baffling bit: People with no frigging legs being told they aren't 'disabled enough' to claim, yet my hearing loss entitles me to a third off rail travel! What part of being deaf makes getting on a train hard?

[Al]

You can't be arsed so you don't know anything. Ignorance is bliss.

Is this article too long for you ? Be warned though, it contains words of more than one syllable so you might struggle.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-conservative-u-turns-policies-david-cameron-benefit-cuts-junior-doctors-academies-a7018276.html

Another of your favourites! Why should I take the time and trouble to read your let wing diatribes that I know before I start I will disagree with?

When you start personal attacks you know the argument is lost. My vocabulary is as good as most.

[Al]

I don't believe the Tories are 'the right party'. The party of a man with a sadly passed disabled son goes about indirectly killing disabled people by labelling them 'scroungers'. I have one friend who has had suicidal thoughts after being denied money he was previously entitled to. There are many who have sadly chosen to take their own lives because of the way these cuts have been driven, yet Mr. Cameron won't be held accountable. Instead he'll pick on Corbyn for wearing beige. Hilarious, Dave.

The baffling bit: People with no frigging legs being told they aren't 'disabled enough' to claim, yet my hearing loss entitles me to a third off rail travel! What part of being deaf makes getting on a train hard?

I have a bit of respect for you Mike so I will just put that down to a difference of opinion. Many people on "disability" are scroungers although I will admit not all of them. I take your point about the railways but are they not a private business and nothing to do with government benefits? Correct me if I'm wrong.

By the way, Corbyn's appearance does him and his party no favours.

[jim mk2]

Another of your favourites! Why should I take the time and trouble to read your let wing diatribes that I know before I start I will disagree with?

When you start personal attacks you know the argument is lost. My vocabulary is as good as most.

Facts and figures of numerous Tory U-turns - what are you struggling with ?

[yoda]

I think all you lefties hanging your hat on Sadiq Khan as some kind of messiah are going to be disappointed.

I listened to him this morning and thought he was more Blairite than Corbynista

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-36240466

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I think all you lefties hanging your hat on Sadiq Khan as some kind of messiah are going to be disappointed.

I listened to him this morning and thought he was more Blairite than Corbynista

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-36240466

Well he probably came to prominence in politics during the Blair years so I don't expect too much. Is he a better bet than Boris ? How could he be worse ? At least I expect him to spend a bit of time on the job. Allegedly Boris spent plenty of time on the job but not in the office.

[Al]

Facts and figures of numerous Tory U-turns - what are you struggling with ?

I'm not struggling! The Conservatives are in power. It's you that's struggling and I don't need to read socialist propaganda.

[joey_big_nose]

You are delusional Jim. No chance of a Labour Government in the next election without the Scottish vote and SNP look strong. The English have more sense. Mind you I would gladly see a closer fight if it meant the demise of the SNP.

Thats not really how it works. Parties will move their manifestos to make themselves electable. Cameron took the Tories left (culturally if not economically) Blair took Labour right. The parties will go where the votes are, as they should.

If the SNP really have denied Labour the chance to win on a left wing platform (itself somewhat debatable) then Labour will ultimately morph to be more electable whatever that means. Thats just politics.

For my money Khan already looks the next leader of Labour to me and I think he could be a compelling candidate. I know for those on the right the idea of a Muslim standing for PM seems unconscionable. However you only need 40-45% of the vote to win, and economics wins elections, religion hardly registers. Khan is an economic moderate, and of he makes a good fist of London he will be in good stead.

[yoda]

Thats not really how it works. Parties will move their manifestos to make themselves electable. Cameron took the Tories left (culturally if not economically) Blair took Labour right. The parties will go where the votes are, as they should.

If the SNP really have denied Labour the chance to win on a left wing platform (itself somewhat debatable) then Labour will ultimately morph to be more electable whatever that means. Thats just politics.

For my money Khan already looks the next leader of Labour to me and I think he could be a compelling candidate. I know for those on the right the idea of a Muslim standing for PM seems unconscionable. However you only need 40-45% of the vote to win, and economics wins elections, religion hardly registers. Khan is an economic moderate, and of he makes a good fist of London he will be in good stead.

Do you think the establishment in London will let him do a good job

[Mike E]

I have a bit of respect for you Mike so I will just put that down to a difference of opinion. Many people on "disability" are scroungers although I will admit not all of them. I take your point about the railways but are they not a private business and nothing to do with government benefits? Correct me if I'm wrong.

By the way, Corbyn's appearance does him and his party no favours.

Same goes for you mate, I've a lot of time for your opinions

I agree there will be many scroungers, but I've seen quite a few genuine cases punished. Which is ofc very upsetting and goes to show it's been done the wrong way at best and with an agenda at worst.

Agreed on Corbyn but I respect him and Farage for sticking to their guns rather than flipflopping like the Tories.

I'm led to believe that discounted rail fares are subsidised by the government, although I haven't looked into it in any great depth. My presumption comes from renewing my card via a '.gov' site.

[joey_big_nose]

Do you think the establishment in London will let him do a good job

Do you mean the Labour leadership? I dont think they are in any fit state to tell him what to do. He has explicitly tried to stay away from Corbyn and has explicitly criticised him.

As for the banks etc he is a Blairite Social Democrat. They'll be absolutely fine with him.

[ABBEY]

Rail fares ... Still can't get my head around them wanting 600 quid to London

[Gav]

Good to hear the award winners at the Baftas having a go at the Tories, another u-turn in the offing maybe, when will they learn:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3579696/Culture-Secretary-bullying-BBC-briefing-charter-renewal-paper.html

[jim mk2]

I'm not struggling! The Conservatives are in power. It's you that's struggling and I don't need to read socialist propaganda.

Hmm..... the same story was in all the broadsheets Al - you know, those propaganda sheets mostly owned by right wing businessmen.

Do you still believe in the flat earth or is that propaganda too ?

[Al]

Hmm..... the same story was in all the broadsheets Al - you know, those propaganda sheets mostly owned by right wing businessmen.

Do you still believe in the flat earth or is that propaganda too ?

Still making stupid remarks in an attempt to put people down Jim? You should be better than that!

As I said before. The Conservatives are in power for at least a couple of years and that's good enough for me.

[jim mk2]

I presume you like tax rises and having services cut. Odd but you voted for it.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Let's see how Khan manages to pay for his big idea i.e. the four year fare freeze on public transport in London. He's going to have to do some balancing.

[Baz]

Let's see how Khan manages to pay for his big idea i.e. the four year fare freeze on public transport in London. He's going to have to do some balancing.

Well Boris wanted to use a couple of hundred million from the transport for London budget for the garden bridge, so maybe it wont be too hard.

On the other hand, he could say he based his calculations on Osbornes growth predictions, blame the Tories for completely mis-managing the economy, then do whatever he wants.